Let's talk about dinner with Donald Trump,
(laughing)
which is an episode that's played out
at real cinematic length in your book.
And by the way, you got two scoops of ice cream.
Most guests apparently only get one.
That's what I've heard.
(laughing)
He was really putting the arm on you.
Is it customary for the Director of the FBI
to be invited to dinner at the residence of the President?
No, and it freaked me out.
And so, I was consoled that afternoon
by recently-departed Director of National Intelligence,
Jim Clapper, who I was giving a recognition to at the FBI,
and I told him about this invitation.
The President had called me at my desk
while I'm having a sandwich and asked me
did I want to come over for dinner that night.
And I said, I don't know what this is about.
It makes me very uncomfortable.
He called you for that night?
That seems rude.
(laughing)
Yeah.
It's funny you should say that.
He said, You want to come over for dinner tonight?
And I kind of paused a little bit.
And he said, Because if you can't do it tonight,
we could do it tomorrow night.
I'm here all weekend.
(laughing)
And he said, How about tonight?
Is 6 or 6:30 better?
And I said whatever works for you, Mr. President.
And I had a date with my wife to get Thai food,
which I should have kept (laughs).
(laughing)
Yeah, you really should have.
I hung up, as I explain in the book,
and I broke the date with Patrice.
And I, what Clapper said to me was,
No, it's gonna be a group thing.
I've heard other people are being invited to dinner.
And so I was relieved.
I thought, okay, well that kind of makes sense.
It'll probably be leaders of Homeland Security
and other agencies so the President
can get to know his team or something.
Fun.
And so I go over.
(laughing)
And, you say fun?
Fun, yeah.
(laughing)
Yep, being FBI Director's nothing but fun (laughs).
Now, you said earlier today in an interview
that you don't hate the President.
You don't even dislike him.
I'll let that pitch go by.
(laughing)
You know it's funny, my wife asked me the same question
after she saw the interview.
And the answer is I dislike many of things he does.
Him as a person I actually, this is gonna sound odd,
I actually kind of feel sorry for.
How so?
I think, I've said this before, it's a hard thing to say,
but I think he has an emptiness inside of him
and a hunger for affirmation I've never seen in an adult.
(laughing)
And I'm not saying that to be funny.
I think that he lacks external reference points,
and instead of calling, making hard decisions
by calling upon a religious tradition or logic
or tradition or history, it's all what will fill this hole.
You think something's missing?
Something is missing in his life that has created
this orientation that I've never,
I meant when I said I've not seen in an adult before.
In other words, what we're looking at in the days
and weeks to come is a series of
an attempt at seduction, and then at pressure.
Let's talk about the seduction at dinner.
How does he do it?
Does he have charm?
How does he try to reel you in?
First of all, I figured out it was just the two of us
by standing in the doorway and seeing this little table
in the middle of the Green Room.
(laughing)
That's Director of the FBI can figure that out.
Investigator.
(laughing)
Your tax dollars were well spent with me.
Exactly.
(laughing)
There ya go.
Yeah, and so at the beginning of the dinner he said,
So what do you want to do?
And then we had a conversation about whether I intended
to stay as FBI Director, which was so strange
because he had, by that point, I think three times
said that he hoped I was going to stay.
And in the episode where I was trying
to hide in the drape in the Blue Room,
(laughing)
which is not made up, by the way.
And the whole world, including my children,
thought he kissed me.
(laughing)
It was not a kiss.
He was whispering in my ear,
I really look forward to working with you.
And so now at the beginning of the dinner,
he's acting like we never had those conversations
and did I want to stay at FBI Director.
And he would understand if I wanted to walk away,
lots of people want my job, that kind of thing.
And then a short time later, he just looked at me
and said he needed loyalty.
He expects loyalty.
And I, I was stunned by that, and so I just stared at him.
And it seemed like an eternity.
It was probably a couple seconds.
And then he dropped his eyes and continued eating,
and I continued eating.
And then he started talking more.
And he came back to that late in the dinner.
He clearly noticed that I just stared at him
when he asked for loyalty.
So he came back to it.
And I tried, during the dinner,
between the first request for loyalty and the second request
to interject things that would explain to him
why it's so important that the Justice Department
be at a distance from the President.
(full interview online)
David Remnick speaks with James Comey about the âemptinessâ of Donald Trump and whether the President is fit for office.
www.newyorker.com