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Satan wasn't promising anyone to be gods. He did not have the power or authority to do so. He used deception to fool Adam and Eve because their eyes had not been open. Or, in other words, they did not know the difference or what good and evil were. When their eyes were opened by partaking of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, The Lord said that they have become like us, knowing good and evil. So, it was the Lord who said they had become like gods knowing good and evil. The fruit came from God, not Satan. The Lord reminded David of this and told him that they knew the difference and had the choice between choosing good or evil. And, that he said in Genesis, the Jew's (Israel) law, they were gods in training (embryo children of the Most High God or Father in Heaven). So, stop saying Satan could promise anything. He could not. He deceived Adam and Eve using that true information. They responded by saying if they ate, they would die and at first refused to. So, Satan deceived them by saying they would not die but be as the gods. Together, that is a deception. A truth and a lie together is called deception. The question really is, why would Eve trust Satan? I know that answer. Unfortunately, you do not. And so, you cannot sway me to agree in your deceptions.
You serve satan.
 
because you have chosen the false commandments of the serpent moses to live in servitude and denial than the choice given by the heavens to control your own destiny.

- eve refused and choose self determination as adam who were then given the goal by the heavens to triumph over evil and if accomplished be judged and admitted into the everlasting being the equals as those already there - gods as a minimum.
You serve satan too.
 
You serve satan.
What a great comeback :laughing0301: I logically put everything together and proved that you are serving Satan and you come back with cut low, same to you but more of it, your mommy wears army boots and blah, blah, blah. I wish it was possible to have a serious and intellectual debate with you but I think that sail has left the boat yard.
 
What a great comeback :laughing0301: I logically put everything together and proved that you are serving Satan and you come back with cut low, same to you but more of it, your mommy wears army boots and blah, blah, blah. I wish it was possible to have a serious and intellectual debate with you but I think that sail has left the boat yard.
I thought so.

I was being serious. I'm not saying you knowingly do so. You're more of a dupe.
 
I thought so.

I was being serious. I'm not saying you knowingly do so. You're more of a dupe.
You aren't serious or you would be agreeing with me because of the logic and reasoning. But, you can't read so no need to logically read.
 
You aren't serious or you would be agreeing with me because of the logic and reasoning. But, you can't read so no need to logically read.
Anyone who is leading souls astray - like telling them they will be gods - is doing the work of Satan.
 
You serve satan too.
I'm not the one going around telling people they can become gods like the serpent in Genesis.

it's you who worships the serpent moses and their false commandments - sinners will never be allowed in the heavens, you are twice the loser - a jew and a christian - good luck, sinner.

- eve refused and choose self determination as adam who were then given the goal by the heavens to triumph over evil and if accomplished be judged and admitted into the everlasting being the equals as those already there - gods as a minimum.

try standing on your own feet and earn your way into the heavens - it's the only way.
 
it's you who worships the serpent moses and their false commandments - sinners will never be allowed in the heavens, you are twice the loser - a jew and a christian - good luck, sinner.



try standing on your own feet and earn your way into the heavens - it's the only way.
Begone Satan!!!
 
So, you are saying Jesus is Satan. Stupid is as stupid does.
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James Edward Talmage (21 September 1862 – 27 July 1933) was an English chemist, geologist, and religious leader who served as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1911 until his death.

A professor at Brigham Young Academy (BYA) and University of Utah (U of U), Talmage also served as president of the U of U and Latter-day Saints' University.
In addition to his academic career, Talmage authored several books on religion, the most prominent of which are Jesus the Christ and Articles of Faith which remain classics in Mormon literature more than a century after publication. An academic and religious scholar, Talmage did not believe that science conflicted with his religious views. Regarding the conflicting Mormon views on evolution, Talmage attempted to mediate between church leaders B.H. Roberts and Joseph Fielding Smith who disagreed about evolution and the origin of man. In addition to his academic and religious involvement, Talmage was involved in local political leadership in Provo as a city council member, alderman, and justice of the peace.
 
There are several authoritative Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) sources that teach Mormons believe in a multiplicity of gods. For example, the Book of Abraham, which is a part of the LDS scriptures called The Pearl of Great Price, ascribes the act of creation to multiple gods: “And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth” (4:1).

The multiplicity of gods is further supported by the Mormon belief that men who faithfully follow LDS teaching will themselves become gods (called “eternal progression”). As the fifth LDS president, Lorenzo Snow, put it: “As man now is, God once was; As God now is, man may be” (Eliza Snow, Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow, 46). Joseph Smith taught in his King Follett sermon (a funeral talk he gave in 1844) that men must “learn how to be gods…the same as all gods have done before” them. Smith’s successor, Brigham Young, followed suit: “The Lord created you and me for the purpose of becoming Gods like Himself” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 93).

If there is one the thing the Bible is clear on, it’s the belief that only one God exists:

  • Deuteronomy 4:39: “Know therefore this day, and lay it to your heart, that the LORD is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other.”
  • Isaiah 44:8: “Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.”
  • Isaiah 44:24: “I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth—Who was with me?”
  • Isaiah 45:5: “I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God.”
These passages directly undermine Mormon belief. Since the belief that multiple gods exist contradicts the Bible, the Mormon has to consider whether he will continue to believe two contradictory beliefs.
 
As mentioned above, Mormons believe that God the Father became God. Joseph Smith taught this himself in the King Follett discourse: “It is the first principle of the gospel to know for certainty the character of God . . . that he was once a man like us.” But if God once was a man and became God, then that implies God changed. The Bible proves this belief to be false.

Take Malachi 3:6 for example: “For I the Lord do not change.” How could God go from being imperfect to perfect, from being mortal to immortal, and not change? If one of the Mormons retorts, “Oh, but this passage simply refers to God never wavering in his faithfulness to mankind,” then quote James 1:17: “Every good endowment and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.”

James makes it clear that there is no change in God the Father.

You could also use Psalm 90:2, which says God is God “from everlasting to everlasting.” If God is God for all eternity, then there never was a time when God was not God; hence there never was a time when he was a man. Even the book of Moroni (the last book in The Book of Mormon) teaches that God “is unchangeable from eternity to all eternity” (8:18). Not only does this Mormon belief contradict the Bible, it contradicts its own scriptures.
 
Nope. Just a convenient scapegoat for your church to lead people to satan by promising godhood.
Awww...again you misquote and deceive. The Church has never promised godhood. There are no promises because it depends upon your individual testimony in Jesus Christ, keeping the commandments and covenants we make with God. Also, Jesus Christ said we are all gods in training. You can accept his doctrine from the Bible or not. It's your choice. But, it is in the Bible and therefore it's Doctrinally True (Gospel).
 
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James Edward Talmage (21 September 1862 – 27 July 1933) was an English chemist, geologist, and religious leader who served as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1911 until his death.

A professor at Brigham Young Academy (BYA) and University of Utah (U of U), Talmage also served as president of the U of U and Latter-day Saints' University.
In addition to his academic career, Talmage authored several books on religion, the most prominent of which are Jesus the Christ and Articles of Faith which remain classics in Mormon literature more than a century after publication. An academic and religious scholar, Talmage did not believe that science conflicted with his religious views. Regarding the conflicting Mormon views on evolution, Talmage attempted to mediate between church leaders B.H. Roberts and Joseph Fielding Smith who disagreed about evolution and the origin of man. In addition to his academic and religious involvement, Talmage was involved in local political leadership in Provo as a city council member, alderman, and justice of the peace.
The word Judge is not there. "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. So, let me be clear. The reason he puts "Judges" there is because when we are no longer gods in embryo learning to be like Father in Heaven and become the God of our own universe, we do become judges. But, not everyone is to that point yet. Another word for Judge is Bishop. Bishops are also gods because they judge within their callings on earth. But, that doesn't mean Jesus was wrong or trying to correct what he said in Psalms when he spoke from John 10:34. I know this is complicated for you. But, no matter how you slice it, humans are gods at various stages.
 
Also, Jesus Christ said we are all gods in training.
No, Jesus never said this. First, the etymology of what he was saying was speaking of human judges. Even more, Jesus would never contradict the Father, who said, "I am God, there is no other." To emphasize this, God repeated Himself, almost immediately. "I am God there is no other." (Isaiah). To Hosea he said, "I am God, not a human."

Even suggesting we are judges in training is off, as judges were anointed for a specific task. Remember, too, what Isaiah said of the King of Babylon who claimed he would be like the Most High: That king would be cast down.

Take note. The beginning of humility is accepting oneself as one is. It is praying before God, "I am not God. You are. There is no other."
 
No, Jesus never said this. First, the etymology of what he was saying was speaking of human judges. Even more, Jesus would never contradict the Father, who said, "I am God, there is no other." To emphasize this, God repeated Himself, almost immediately. "I am God there is no other." (Isaiah). To Hosea he said, "I am God, not a human."

Even suggesting we are judges in training is off, as judges were anointed for a specific task. Remember, too, what Isaiah said of the King of Babylon who claimed he would be like the Most High: That king would be cast down.

Take note. The beginning of humility is accepting oneself as one is. It is praying before God, "I am not God. You are. There is no other."
You just want to keep saying the same old talking points. False but sounds good. Jehovah didn’t say ye are judges. He said ye are gods. Then, he followed it up with “but you are children of the most high.” That means we are gods in training as little children are training to become adults and leaders of men and women. Jesus said the same thing. He are gods. Not ye are judges.
 
You just want to keep saying the same old talking points. False but sounds good. Jehovah didn’t say ye are judges. He said ye are gods. Then, he followed it up with “but you are children of the most high.” That means we are gods in training as little children are training to become adults and leaders of men and women. Jesus said the same thing. He are gods. Not ye are judges.
I am presenting the original meanings. Notice the small 'g'. Consider God himself saying, "I am God, there is no other." (Capital G.) Besides 'judges' use of the small 'g' in the Bible can also mean 'mighty ones' (those in power). Notice, that who God is speaking to (the council of humans) He tells these gods/mighty ones, "like any other human, you will die; like any other prince, you shall fail."

The psalmist then concludes with this prayer/plea: "Arise O God, judge the earth, for yours are all the nations."

The psalm you reference clearly presents all of this, which is why the people of that time and culture did not begin teaching humans will all become God in the afterlife. Also, while Mormons stop at verse 6 and claim they are "in training", the rest of us read on where it promises, "Like any other, you will die; like any other, you shall fail."

Go to Isaiah, and read once more: I am God, there is no other. Read it again. Then move on to Hosea: I am God; I am not human.

Also, keep in mind you are the one with "talking points", weaving your own view of who you are by picking and chewing bits in the Bible, creating your own definition of Biblical words to suit yourself, and steadfastly ignoring what God said about Himself: "I am one. There is no other. I am one. There is no other. I am God; I am not human."
 

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