Mandatory gun storage laws? Will then lead to warrantless searches of gun owner homes....just like this....

[Captain Caveman]

No thicko. Law abiding citizens have no fear of gun regs because their police record, medical record, driving record (obviously incidents that wouldn't raise cause for concern) don't prohibit that person not being suitable to have a gun. If you are tearful, then it's obvious you have a dodgy unsuitable record, or you're a thick hunt. It's that simple.

Please reply with what you're struggling with.

tearful? Should be responsible. Wtf.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Even capital punishment doesn't really have an effect on murder rates.

Most people who murder do not murder multiple victims

I guess you didnt see what i said "Executions may not stop others from murdering, but it does stop REPEAT offenders". It is very hard to do a crime when you are cremated and used as fertilizer in the back of the prison yard.

 

[Blues Man]

Regulations do not stop, never have, never will. Regulations reduce, always have, always will.

The day that sinks into your thick skull (which is 10" thick bone) will be the day it'll dawn on you.

But, I know you are thick as fuck and this won't penetrate 1mm.

your gun regulations did not reduce murder in your little country

If they did then the murder rate would be lower than it was before all those regulations you love were passed.

It isn't

 

[Blues Man]

I guess you didnt see what i said "Executions may not stop others from murdering, but it does stop REPEAT offenders". It is very hard to do a crime when you are cremated and used as fertilizer in the back of the prison yard.

Most murderers are not repeat murderers

 

[Blues Man]

tearful? Should be responsible. Wtf.

you're talking to yourself again

 

[Captain Caveman]

your gun regulations did not reduce murder in your little country

If they did then the murder rate would be lower than it was before all those regulations you love were passed.

It isn't

Yes they did.

 

[Blues Man]

Yes they did.

I see you offer no proof of that other than what your government has told you.

Murder rate in the US in 1950 was 5.1 per 100K
Murder rate today in the US 5.9 per 100K

This after literally tens of thousands of state and federal gun laws

Murder rate in the UK in 1959 .6 per 100K
Murder rate in 2022 in the UK 1.19per 100K

This after all your draconian gun laws started passing in the late 60's

it seems your gun laws do not reduce the murder rate.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I see you offer no proof of that other than what your government has told you.

Murder rate in the US in 1950 was 5.1 per 100K
Murder rate today in the US 5.9 per 100K

This after literally tens of thousands of state and federal gun laws

Murder rate in the UK in 1959 .6 per 100K
Murder rate in 2022 in the UK 1.19per 100K

This after all your draconian gun laws started passing in the late 60's

it seems your gun laws do not reduce the murder rate.

I saw you offered no proof in your post that I replied to

Please list UK mass shootings, bearing in mind, a weekend in America wipes out a decade or two of the UK's. Thicko.

Whatever UK figures you try to come up with, multiply it by 1,000, then double it, add some, then you're getting close to America's dreadful and diabolic stats.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I see you offer no proof of that other than what your government has told you.

Murder rate in the US in 1950 was 5.1 per 100K
Murder rate today in the US 5.9 per 100K

This after literally tens of thousands of state and federal gun laws

Murder rate in the UK in 1959 .6 per 100K
Murder rate in 2022 in the UK 1.19per 100K

This after all your draconian gun laws started passing in the late 60's

it seems your gun laws do not reduce the murder rate.

Your figures illustrate the effectiveness of uk gun control.
The US is not even on the same page as the UK.
Why is that ?

 

[Blues Man]

I saw you offered no proof in your post that I replied to

Please list UK mass shootings, bearing in mind, a weekend in America wipes out a decade or two of the UK's. Thicko.

Whatever UK figures you try to come up with, multiply it by 1,000, then double it, add some, then you're getting close to America's dreadful and diabolic stats.

The proof is the numbers.

the murder rate in the UK is actually twice what it was in 1950 BEFORE the gun control acts started being passed in the late 60's.


Murder rate in the Uk 2022 1.19 per 100K

Homicide rate England and Wales 2023 | Statista

The homicide rate in England and Wales for 2022/23 was 10.1 homicides per million people.

www.statista.com

Murder rate in the UK 1959 .6 per 100K
List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

If gun laws actually reduced the murder rate as you claim it does then the murder rate today on your little island should be less than it was BEFORE all those gun laws you love were passed.

Guess what it's actually DOUBLE what it was in 1959

 

[AZrailwhale]

Your figures illustrate the effectiveness of uk gun control.
The US is not even on the same page as the UK.
Why is that ?

the figures showed your murder rate nearly DOUBLING while ours stayed stable. UK gun control didnt reduce violent crime and murder, it encouraged it.

 

[2aguy]

I saw you offered no proof in your post that I replied to

Please list UK mass shootings, bearing in mind, a weekend in America wipes out a decade or two of the UK's. Thicko.

Whatever UK figures you try to come up with, multiply it by 1,000, then double it, add some, then you're getting close to America's dreadful and diabolic stats.

Britain had one mass shooting every 10 years before they banned guns......they have had 1 mass shooting every 10 years since they banned guns........no change...

Europe...

In the 1920s, they began the process of registering guns....to make their people safer. That was the lie. by the mid 1930s, the socialists in Germany began the process of banning and confiscating guns, and the same for the countries they defeated......

By 1939, the German socialists began to murder 15 million people....in 6 years.....men, women and over 1 million children.

6 years, 15 million murdered citizens..not war dead, innocent people rounded up and murdered in camps and forests....

15 million in 6 years.

In the United States, gun murder for our entire 246 year history?

Around 2,460,000

Europe.... 15 million in 6 years.

U.S..... 2,460,000 in 246 years.

Now the math part...get out your pencil....

How many hundreds of years will it take the U.S. to catch up with the number of Europeans murdered by their governments.....

Show your work.

 

[2aguy]

Your figures illustrate the effectiveness of uk gun control.
The US is not even on the same page as the UK.
Why is that ?

Please........explain to us why it is that Europe has murdered more innocent men, women and children than the entire gun murder number in the U.S. over our entire246 year history....

Europe...

In the 1920s, they began the process of registering guns....to make their people safer. That was the lie. by the mid 1930s, the socialists in Germany began the process of banning and confiscating guns, and the same for the countries they defeated......

By 1939, the German socialists began to murder 15 million people....in 6 years.....men, women and over 1 million children.

6 years, 15 million murdered citizens..not war dead, innocent people rounded up and murdered in camps and forests....

15 million in 6 years.

In the United States, gun murder for our entire 246 year history?

Around 2,460,000

Europe.... 15 million in 6 years.

U.S..... 2,460,000 in 246 years.

Now the math part...get out your pencil....

How many hundreds of years will it take the U.S. to catch up with the number of Europeans murdered by their governments.....

Show your work.

 

[2aguy]

The proof is the numbers.

the murder rate in the UK is actually twice what it was in 1950 BEFORE the gun control acts started being passed in the late 60's.


Murder rate in the Uk 2022 1.19 per 100K

Homicide rate England and Wales 2023 | Statista

The homicide rate in England and Wales for 2022/23 was 10.1 homicides per million people.

www.statista.com

Murder rate in the UK 1959 .6 per 100K
List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

If gun laws actually reduced the murder rate as you claim it does then the murder rate today on your little island should be less than it was BEFORE all those gun laws you love were passed.

Guess what it's actually DOUBLE what it was in 1959

And now they have illegal guns flooding into Britain....and immigrant drug gangs who are more than happy to shoot each other over drug turf...so that number is going to go up......and is going up...

Two in three police force areas in England and Wales are experiencing rising gun crime, with one force facing levels six times higher than a decade ago, Guardian analysis of Home Office data has found.

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Concerns are now being raised about the growing availability of firearms in parts of the north of England and the Midlands as some police forces are struggling to tackle rising gun crime with fewer officers than they had a decade ago.



The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022.



In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years





Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales

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County lines​

Peter Squires, professor of criminology at the University of Brighton, told The Guardian that so-called “county lines” – a form of criminal exploitation where urban gangs persuade young people to take drugs to rural areas of the country – are probably behind the rise in gun crime in places such as Sussex, Kent and Cheshire.

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Gun smuggling​

The prevalence of firearm offences is also partially to do with gun smuggling, experts say. Firearms can now be hired for as little as £100 around the UK and can be acquired in “less than a day”, reported the i news site’s investigations correspondent Dean Kirby.



According to Dr Robert Hesketh, a criminology expert at Liverpool John Moores University, it is “relatively easy” to get hold of a firearm in many cities.

“A MAC-10 will cost about £3,000, an MP5 £3,000,” Hesketh said. “These are automatic weapons. Another gun doing the rounds a few years ago and possibly now was a Desert Eagle, for about £500. It isn’t hard, put it that way.”

There is also an option to rent a weapon – with criminals borrowing firearms for short periods. “You can get one possibly for £100 to £150 if you know the right people,” Hesketh said.



While it is working to cut off supplies to the UK, the National Crime Agency has seen a “gradual increase” in the use of fully automatic weapons.

Some of the weapons used are deactivated or blank-firing devices, which are being bought in eastern Europe, where they are legal and unrestricted. They are then illegally reactivated by criminals before being transported to the UK, Kirby said.

Guns can also be bought on the dark web, and stolen, lawfully bought guns have also ended up being used in shootings. On the messaging app Telegram The Sunday Times found firearms advertised for sale from £400.

In 2019/20, the National Crime Agency seized 552 illegal firearms in the UK and abroad. The UK Border Force, meanwhile, picked up 2,600 lethal and non-lethal firearms in the year to September 2020.



Why is gun crime on the rise? | The Week UK



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Gun offences had been increasing since roughly 2015 across England and Wales, according to figures from the Office of National Statistics. But then came the pandemic.

Are gun crimes on the rise again?​

Dr Robert Hesketh, from the School of Justice Studies at Liverpool John Moores University, thinks the incidents will increase because of the cost of living crisis.

"People are getting desperate and desperate times call for desperate measures," he said.



Dr Hesketh disagreed with senior police officers, who say it is hard for a criminal to buy a gun in Britain.



The academic instead suggested in Liverpool a cheap firearm can be obtained for as little as £150 with a bit of asking around.



Gun crime is closely linked with drug dealing. At the top of the criminal tree drug gangs arrange imports to sell in the UK.

The retail arm of the market has become dominated by a relatively new business model.

County lines gangs, using dedicated mobile phones for customers to make orders, shift drugs around the country and have been blamed for increasing the risk of violence involving guns and knives.

Liverpool is an important part of the UK's drug gang infrastructure.

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Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

 

[Captain Caveman]

The proof is the numbers.

the murder rate in the UK is actually twice what it was in 1950 BEFORE the gun control acts started being passed in the late 60's.


Murder rate in the Uk 2022 1.19 per 100K

Homicide rate England and Wales 2023 | Statista

The homicide rate in England and Wales for 2022/23 was 10.1 homicides per million people.

www.statista.com

Murder rate in the UK 1959 .6 per 100K
List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

If gun laws actually reduced the murder rate as you claim it does then the murder rate today on your little island should be less than it was BEFORE all those gun laws you love were passed.

Guess what it's actually DOUBLE what it was in 1959

The population is some 16 million more since the 50's and America's gun incidents in a weekend wipes out a decade or two of the UK's gun stats.

American's favourite pastime is to shoot others. Proven fact.

 

[Blues Man]

The population is some 16 million more since the 50's and America's gun incidents in a weekend wipes out a decade or two of the UK's gun stats.

American's favourite pastime is to shoot others. Proven fact.

Which is why MURDER RATE is used.

Of don't you understand that?

But keep trying to deflect.

You stated unequivocally that the gun laws on your little island reduced the murder rate.

But we see that the murder rate is actually twice what it was BEFORE all your beloved gun laws were passed. So the fact is gun laws did not reduce the murder rate .

 

[2aguy]

The population is some 16 million more since the 50's and America's gun incidents in a weekend wipes out a decade or two of the UK's gun stats.

American's favourite pastime is to shoot others. Proven fact.

And again, you will not respond to this fact....

Europe murdered more people in 6 years, than gun murder in the U.S. over our entire 246 year history...that is a fact....you will not address it.....

Mass murder and genocide seem to be the favorite past time of Europe.....

 

[Jarlaxle]

Regulations do not stop, never have, never will. Regulations reduce, always have, always will.

The day that sinks into your thick skull (which is 10" thick bone) will be the day it'll dawn on you.

But, I know you are thick as fuck and this won't penetrate 1mm.

WITHOUT looking it up, what is the murder rate in the US now compared to in 1995? Don't look it up, just give your best estimate.

 

[Captain Caveman]

WITHOUT looking it up, what is the murder rate in the US now compared to in 1995? Don't look it up, just give your best estimate.

Regulations do not stop, never have, never will. Regulations reduce, always have, always will.

Another fucking thick retarded gun nut Septic Yank. Parasite.

 

[2aguy]

Regulations do not stop, never have, never will. Regulations reduce, always have, always will.

Another fucking thick retarded gun nut Septic Yank. Parasite.

Please address the following facts about guns and freedom....

Europe...

In the 1920s, they began the process of registering guns....to make their people safer. That was the lie. by the mid 1930s, the socialists in Germany began the process of banning and confiscating guns, and the same for the countries they defeated......

By 1939, the German socialists began to murder 15 million people....in 6 years.....men, women and over 1 million children.

6 years, 15 million murdered citizens..not war dead, innocent people rounded up and murdered in camps and forests....

15 million in 6 years.

In the United States, gun murder for our entire 246 year history?

Around 2,460,000

Europe.... 15 million in 6 years.

U.S..... 2,460,000 in 246 years.

Now the math part...get out your pencil....

How many hundreds of years will it take the U.S. to catch up with the number of Europeans murdered by their governments.....

Show your work.