Manchin wants to raise age to 21 for gun purchases, doesn't see need for AR-15s

[CrusaderFrank]

Fascists ? Fascists are CONSERVATIVE right wing. . More made up shit from the right.

Keep sending Federal police to local school Boards, Adolf

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You‘re arguing with yourself and losing. Gee, still trying to pretend you’re an expert. Now it’s state laws ? Maybe you didn’t know anything about the state laws. It’s THEIR definition of assault weapon in the glossary of the law, not your’s dufus and certainly not the military. They don‘t make gun regs for states. . Still pretending you know if some .22 are state regulated assault weapons ? You gun a holics are hilarious.

Why wont you answer my question, is it that you dont know the difference between the two? Chicken mother fucker.

Which one if the Assault Rifle? It is because you are a dumbass prog who doesnt know the difference. I really hate people like you , with a passion.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Don‘t you think your crowd might be closet homosexuals ?
While this crowd, did what they said they would do.

Wow, just wow, sounds like you are homophobic, you bigoted son of a bitch.

 

[2aguy]

Fascists ? Fascists are CONSERVATIVE right wing. . More made up shit from the right.

You are an idiot……..fascism is a type of left wing socialism, you idiot.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You are an idiot……..fascism is a type of left wing socialism, you idiot.

You got it wrong. Communism is far left Socialism while Fascism is far right Socialism. Both have central government but the government is the control.

 

[2aguy]

You got it wrong. Communism is far left Socialism while Fascism is far right Socialism. Both have central government but the government is the control.

Nope….fascism is left wing……..the Term was coined by Mussolini, a life long communist who was kicked out of the party, and started his own brand of socialism.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Nope….fascism is left wing……..the Term was coined by Mussolini, a life long communist who was kicked out of the party, and started his own brand of socialism.

The Road to Serfdom - Wikipedia

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He further argues that the abandonment of individualism and classical liberalism inevitably leads to a loss of freedom, the creation of an oppressive society, the tyranny of a dictator, and the serfdom of the individual. Hayek challenged the view, popular among British Marxists, that fascism (including Nazism) was a capitalist reaction against socialism. He argued that fascism, Nazism and socialism had common roots in central economic planning and empowering the state over the individual.

 

[2aguy]

The Road to Serfdom - Wikipedia

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I'm sorry......but you had to use Hayek....great book by the way....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas.

But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational.


The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists.

But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State.

By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

 

[2aguy]

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Your quote, not actually from Hayek....doesn't support your point....

Hayek challenged the view, popular among British Marxists, that fascism (including Nazism) was a capitalist reaction against socialism.

 

[2aguy]

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The communists, especially in Europe and the U.S.....needed to distinguish their socialism from the German socialists......so they tried to say that German socialism wasn't real socialism.......because if they couldn't do that....then they would have to face the truth that the worst mass murderers in history, since 1917....were all socialists..........

The national socialists in Germany were the only socialists called out for their mass murder while the communists, who murdered more people in more countries around the world, were able to get people to forget this fact...

 

[Dagosa]

Wow, just wow, sounds like you are homophobic, you bigoted son of a bitch.

You’re the one proud of dufus chant……it’s part of your post.

 

[Dagosa]

Why wont you answer my question, is it that you dont know the difference between the two? Chicken mother fucker.

Which one if the Assault Rifle? It is because you are a dumbass prog who doesnt know the difference. I really hate people like you , with a passion.

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Answer stupid questions from ignorant people ? You don’t even recognize a correct answer do you. Really, you have no idea who determines assault rifle descriptions do you ? Your asking the wrong person dufus. Just check any state or country that has a ban.

You‘re mad at people who are better informed. That’s why you probably hang with pigeon heads.

 

[Dagosa]

Why wont you answer my question, is it that you dont know the difference between the two? Chicken mother fucker.

Which one if the Assault Rifle? It is because you are a dumbass prog who doesnt know the difference. I really hate people like you , with a passion.

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You hate people lIke me ? That makes my day. You need counseling.

 

[Dagosa]

Keep sending Federal police to local school Boards, Adolf

Federal police ? Ah, which one are they ? You guys sound like little children.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Federal police ? Ah, which one are they ? You guys sound like little children.

FBI

 

[Dagosa]

FBI

Ha ha..
A general federal police force is technically prohibited by the U.S. constitution…..
We have dedicated agencies for different applications. You guys are such children.

 

[Dagosa]

FBI

FBI ?
there are many more…

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[CrusaderFrank]

FBI ?
there are many more…

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Brandon thought it would be fun to sent the FBI against parents speaking out at local school boards

 

[Batcat]

So an 18 year old girl leaves the rural area she grew up in and goes to the big city to get a job. Her entry level pay is low so she rents an apartment with another girl to share expenses. One night an intruder breaks into the apartment and rapes and kills both girls.

If the girls would have been able to legally purchase a firearm they might have been able to stop the intruder‘s attack.

My daughter was 18 when she encountered a man breaking into our home by forcing the a sliding glass door open despite the fact that a burglar alarm was sounding. She pointed a large caliber revolver at him and he wisely decided to run away.

She called the police and they arrived quickly. The problem was when she went to answer the door she found she couldn’t release the handgun. The officers told her to point the weapon at the floor and open the door. They made entry and one pried her fingers off the weapon and told her it was the adrenaline aftereffects of the incident.

I was at work on the graveyard shift at the time and she called me. I left work and when I arrived home I asked her why she didn’t shoot the intruder and she said, “Dad, you told me not to shoot any one who was not inside the house. He was only halfway in.”

 

[Smokin' OP]

Brandon thought it would be fun to sent the FBI against parents speaking out at local school boards

That's because RWNJ's were threatening school board members and their families with physical harm and death.