Manafort Trial Is About Fashion, Nothing to Do With Russia

[forkup]

They call it invoices. Or you can talk to the people who sold you the shoes. Or they can check your shoe closet and go online and check for the price of the shoes. I know, I know it's hard to fathom but investigators know how to... you know investigate.

Well the judge said no...he is not going to allow a presumption of wealth to be a presumption of a crime.....this is America....

Already answered that fallacy.

Oh and the judge just put a stop on the amount of times and the way the prosecuting pushed that point home he didn't take a position on the validity of the argument, that's the jury's job.

That point being the fact that Manafort's spending habits couldn't be explained by his tax returns.

 

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Sure, and then after you don't owe a penny and you spend 8 figures, the government will come knocking and ask you how you got a hold of 8 figures when you only declared 6.

Oh really!

How does the government know I bought $500,000 worth of shoes?

Keep going, this is good.

They call it invoices. Or you can talk to the people who sold you the shoes. Or they can check your shoe closet and go online and check for the price of the shoes. I know, I know it's hard to fathom but investigators know how to... you know investigate.

So you give your name when you buy things?

What color is the sky in your world?

Not in your local grocery store. Purchase a house or a Lamborghini most definitely. A purchase like that requires a deed.This deed requires a name or at the very least a company. Or like in the case of designer suits, those are easily traced and the clientele is usually exclusive enough to be traced to a person. Or in the case of a house renovation, again not usually a cash purchase and even when it is the contractor would demand invoices if for no other reason then assuring their ability to declare their income. And now I'm done with this game. I see no point in talking to someone who either has not an ounce of intellectual honesty, or is so dumb he doesn't grasp the most basic of concepts. Either way it's not what I consider productive or even fun.

Ostrich jackets require a deed?
Another reason not to get one.

Or like in the case of designer suits, those are easily traced and the clientele is usually exclusive enough to be traced to a person.

As I said not an ounce of intellectual honesty.

 

[bodecea]

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If he wore a tank top under those jackets he'll probably get 15 years.

So afraid, trumpanzees....so very very afraid that justice is getting closer and closer and closer......

 

[Rambunctious]

Already answered that fallacy

But you were wrong....the judge said he will not allow wealth to become a presumption of guilt and barred the prosecution team from showing Manaforte's closet photos...and he was correct to do so...wealth may reflect a dishonest person to you but not to the laws of our nation.....

 

[Rambunctious]

Sure, and then after you don't owe a penny and you spend 8 figures, the government will come knocking and ask you how you got a hold of 8 figures when you only declared 6.

Oh really!

How does the government know I bought $500,000 worth of shoes?

Keep going, this is good.

They call it invoices. Or you can talk to the people who sold you the shoes. Or they can check your shoe closet and go online and check for the price of the shoes. I know, I know it's hard to fathom but investigators know how to... you know investigate.

So you give your name when you buy things?

What color is the sky in your world?

Not in your local grocery store. Purchase a house or a Lamborghini most definitely. A purchase like that requires a deed.This deed requires a name or at the very least a company. Or like in the case of designer suits, those are easily traced and the clientele is usually exclusive enough to be traced to a person. Or in the case of a house renovation, again not usually a cash purchase and even when it is the contractor would demand invoices if for no other reason then assuring their ability to declare their income. And now I'm done with this game. I see no point in talking to someone who either has not an ounce of intellectual honesty, or is so dumb he doesn't grasp the most basic of concepts. Either way it's not what I consider productive or even fun.

Ostrich jackets require a deed?
Another reason not to get one.

FORKUP is just another envious lib that wishes he were rich but since he is not he hates those that are.....typical prog....

 

[Camp]

They search your closet

How many times a year does the government search your wardrobe?

Depends on how many times I'm credibly suspected of committing crimes I suspect. See you talk about shoes, but that's hardly the most conspicuous thing he owned. A multi million dollar house when you don't earn that kind of money on your tax return would already give enough probable cause to start an investigation.

Like I said, easy to buy a Lamborghini and an ostrich jacket and pay no Fed taxes.
You really do need to stop displaying your ignorance and go talk to your mommy about what taxable income means.

How would you know about buying a Lamborghini or a $15,000 jacket?

I would never buy them.

Driving a Maybach Landaulet while wearing Chinchilla underwear is more my style.

Did you pay cash for your Maybach Landaulet and nor get a receipt? Was there no record of your purchase? How is that car with gas mileage?

 

[Weatherman2020]

They call it invoices. Or you can talk to the people who sold you the shoes. Or they can check your shoe closet and go online and check for the price of the shoes. I know, I know it's hard to fathom but investigators know how to... you know investigate.

Well the judge said no...he is not going to allow a presumption of wealth to be a presumption of a crime.....this is America....

Already answered that fallacy.

Oh and the judge just put a stop on the amount of times and the way the prosecuting pushed that point home he didn't take a position on the validity of the argument, that's the jury's job.

That point being the fact that Manafort's spending habits couldn't be explained by his tax returns.

What country requires your spending to match your income?

In my country, America, always spends more than its income.

 

[Weatherman2020]

How many times a year does the government search your wardrobe?

Depends on how many times I'm credibly suspected of committing crimes I suspect. See you talk about shoes, but that's hardly the most conspicuous thing he owned. A multi million dollar house when you don't earn that kind of money on your tax return would already give enough probable cause to start an investigation.

Like I said, easy to buy a Lamborghini and an ostrich jacket and pay no Fed taxes.
You really do need to stop displaying your ignorance and go talk to your mommy about what taxable income means.

How would you know about buying a Lamborghini or a $15,000 jacket?

I would never buy them.

Driving a Maybach Landaulet while wearing Chinchilla underwear is more my style.

Did you pay cash for your Maybach Landaulet and nor get a receipt? Was there no record of your purchase? How is that car with gas mileage?

They take EDT cards.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Oh really!

How does the government know I bought $500,000 worth of shoes?

Keep going, this is good.

They call it invoices. Or you can talk to the people who sold you the shoes. Or they can check your shoe closet and go online and check for the price of the shoes. I know, I know it's hard to fathom but investigators know how to... you know investigate.

So you give your name when you buy things?

What color is the sky in your world?

Not in your local grocery store. Purchase a house or a Lamborghini most definitely. A purchase like that requires a deed.This deed requires a name or at the very least a company. Or like in the case of designer suits, those are easily traced and the clientele is usually exclusive enough to be traced to a person. Or in the case of a house renovation, again not usually a cash purchase and even when it is the contractor would demand invoices if for no other reason then assuring their ability to declare their income. And now I'm done with this game. I see no point in talking to someone who either has not an ounce of intellectual honesty, or is so dumb he doesn't grasp the most basic of concepts. Either way it's not what I consider productive or even fun.

Ostrich jackets require a deed?
Another reason not to get one.

FORKUP is just another envious lib that wishes he were rich but since he is not he hates those that are.....typical prog....

They are oblivious to reality.

 

[forkup]

Already answered that fallacy

But you were wrong....the judge said he will not allow wealth to become a presumption of guilt and barred the prosecution team from showing Manaforte's closet photos...and he was correct to do so...wealth may reflect a dishonest person to you but not to the laws of our nation.....

I make no such presumption. I presume that an honest person declares his income. I presume he pays the taxes that he legally owes the government. I do not presume that what I think is fair, necessarily reflects what is legal. If it's legal I don't presume he committed a crime. If a person spends more money then he claimed he earned, I presume he is dishonest. I don't think that is an extraordinary presumption. Mind not even then do I know I'm right. But then it becomes the other persons job to explain the discrepancy.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Already answered that fallacy

But you were wrong....the judge said he will not allow wealth to become a presumption of guilt and barred the prosecution team from showing Manaforte's closet photos...and he was correct to do so...wealth may reflect a dishonest person to you but not to the laws of our nation.....

I make no such presumption. I presume that an honest person declares his income. I presume he pays the taxes that he legally owes the government. I do not presume that what I think is fair, necessarily reflects what is legal. If it's legal I don't presume he committed a crime. If a person spends more money then he claimed he earned, I presume he is dishonest. I don't think that is an extraordinary presumption. Mind not even then do I know I'm right. But then it becomes the other persons job to explain the discrepancy.

You’re a moron who thinks taxes owed is based upon spending habits.

 

[Rambunctious]

I make no such presumption. I presume that an honest person declares his income. I presume he pays the taxes that he legally owes the government. I do not presume that what I think is fair, necessarily reflects what is legal. If it's legal I don't presume he committed a crime. If a person spends more money then he claimed he earned, I presume he is dishonest. I don't think that is an extraordinary presumption. Mind not even then do I know I'm right. But then it becomes the other persons job to explain the discrepancy.

Manaforte pays his taxes....if he messed up we will find out but if everyone that ever had to redo his tax return for an over site went to prison no one would escape prison....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Love watching these deniers think that the prosecution cannot easily build a case against a person who spends ostentatiously while trying to hide his undeclared money.

Anyone who defends Manafort's innocence, other than his lawyers, should be investigated.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I make no such presumption. I presume that an honest person declares his income. I presume he pays the taxes that he legally owes the government. I do not presume that what I think is fair, necessarily reflects what is legal. If it's legal I don't presume he committed a crime. If a person spends more money then he claimed he earned, I presume he is dishonest. I don't think that is an extraordinary presumption. Mind not even then do I know I'm right. But then it becomes the other persons job to explain the discrepancy.

Manaforte pays his taxes....if he messed up we will find out but if everyone that ever had to redo his tax return for an over site went to prison no one would escape prison....

Turbo Tax Timmy just paid a late penalty fee.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Love watching these deniers think that the prosecution cannot easily build a case against a person who spends ostentatiously while trying to hide his undeclared money.

Anyone who defends Manafort's innocence, other than his lawyers, should be investigated.

Oh looky! Another socialist who thinks taxes owed is based upon spending!

 

[forkup]

Oh really!

How does the government know I bought $500,000 worth of shoes?

Keep going, this is good.

They call it invoices. Or you can talk to the people who sold you the shoes. Or they can check your shoe closet and go online and check for the price of the shoes. I know, I know it's hard to fathom but investigators know how to... you know investigate.

So you give your name when you buy things?

What color is the sky in your world?

Not in your local grocery store. Purchase a house or a Lamborghini most definitely. A purchase like that requires a deed.This deed requires a name or at the very least a company. Or like in the case of designer suits, those are easily traced and the clientele is usually exclusive enough to be traced to a person. Or in the case of a house renovation, again not usually a cash purchase and even when it is the contractor would demand invoices if for no other reason then assuring their ability to declare their income. And now I'm done with this game. I see no point in talking to someone who either has not an ounce of intellectual honesty, or is so dumb he doesn't grasp the most basic of concepts. Either way it's not what I consider productive or even fun.

Ostrich jackets require a deed?
Another reason not to get one.

FORKUP is just another envious lib that wishes he were rich but since he is not he hates those that are.....typical prog....

Actually I don't do envy. What I do is try to defend my opinion. Defend it with the least amount of hypocrisy, logical fallacies, deflections, ad hominem attacks and partisan bullshit. Not claiming I never do those things btw. Although I lean left, I don't always toe the party line. I don't hate Trump supporters nor do I believe they are by definition wrong. What I do expect is people coming out with actual arguments.

 

[Weatherman2020]

They call it invoices. Or you can talk to the people who sold you the shoes. Or they can check your shoe closet and go online and check for the price of the shoes. I know, I know it's hard to fathom but investigators know how to... you know investigate.

So you give your name when you buy things?

What color is the sky in your world?

Not in your local grocery store. Purchase a house or a Lamborghini most definitely. A purchase like that requires a deed.This deed requires a name or at the very least a company. Or like in the case of designer suits, those are easily traced and the clientele is usually exclusive enough to be traced to a person. Or in the case of a house renovation, again not usually a cash purchase and even when it is the contractor would demand invoices if for no other reason then assuring their ability to declare their income. And now I'm done with this game. I see no point in talking to someone who either has not an ounce of intellectual honesty, or is so dumb he doesn't grasp the most basic of concepts. Either way it's not what I consider productive or even fun.

Ostrich jackets require a deed?
Another reason not to get one.

FORKUP is just another envious lib that wishes he were rich but since he is not he hates those that are.....typical prog....

Actually I don't do envy. What I do is try to defend my opinion. Defend it with the least amount of hypocrisy, logical fallacies, deflections, ad hominem attacks and partisan bullshit. Not claiming I never do those things btw. Although I lean left, I don't always toe the party line. I don't hate Trump supporters nor do I believe they are by definition wrong. What I do expect is people coming out with actual arguments.

Like how stupid you are for thinking taxes owed is based upon spending?

 

[Care4all]

Such a strange OP argument.

The trial is about tax evasion etc.

If you want to prove tax evasion you need to demonstrate wealth above what is being claimed in taxes

GE paid $0 in taxes.

So why isn’t the CEO in prison?

Oh ya, they legally owe $0.

And your cult master insisted the Corporation taxes were too high and gave them even More with his corporate tax cut....

 

[forkup]

I make no such presumption. I presume that an honest person declares his income. I presume he pays the taxes that he legally owes the government. I do not presume that what I think is fair, necessarily reflects what is legal. If it's legal I don't presume he committed a crime. If a person spends more money then he claimed he earned, I presume he is dishonest. I don't think that is an extraordinary presumption. Mind not even then do I know I'm right. But then it becomes the other persons job to explain the discrepancy.

Manaforte pays his taxes....if he messed up we will find out but if everyone that ever had to redo his tax return for an over site went to prison no one would escape prison....

Depends on the order of magnitude of the mistake and what kind of mistake that has been made. You don't mistakenly open up 15 bank accounts and 10 businesses in Cyprus.Accounts in Cyprus associated with Paul Manafort raised red flag.
You don't mistakenly falsify invoices.
We do agree on 1 thing, we will find out. Question is will you accept what we find out?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Such a strange OP argument.

The trial is about tax evasion etc.

If you want to prove tax evasion you need to demonstrate wealth above what is being claimed in taxes

GE paid $0 in taxes.

So why isn’t the CEO in prison?

Oh ya, they legally owe $0.

And your cult master insisted the Corporation taxes were too high and gave them even More with his corporate tax cut....

And hundreds of billions were brought back into the US to be taxed.

Thank you President Trump.