Man. Where evolution went tragically wrong.

[ding]

You seem humble enough. You're okay with me.

The activist bit gets a little annoying. Like Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door.

People who "get it" are usually quiet and unassuming. They'll defend their beliefs when needed but usually aren't on the corner with a megaphone. That's been my experience, anyway.

Life evolves for logical reasons. Natural selection is based upon functional advantage. Functional advantage is logical. We live in a logical universe where every effect had a cause. The definition of purpose is the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. The definition of reason is a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event. And since we live in a logical universe where every effect had a cause, evolution of space and time happens for logical reasons and serves a purpose. As much as you would like to believe everything is random and accidental, the evidence suggests otherwise. There is reason and purpose in the evolution of space and time. Nothing happened that did not have a reason, everything is connected and serves a purpose in the evolution of space and time.

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no "overpopulation," and there never will be.

Your assessment is based solely on the availability of food, which may be under threat as we speak.

 

[ReinyDays]

I am hoping that was tongue in cheek because you are way over complicating this. You don't seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. God isn't pushing buttons or pulling levers. That's a polytheistic belief, that's not a belief of monotheism. So God isn't directing us. He doesn't need to. He let's us figure it out. He let's us make mistakes and suffer the consequences. Some of us even learn from our experiences and progress.

I think you're under-thinking this ... Mendel fully demonstrated evolution is strictly manifest through inherited traits ...

I already said the purpose of evolution is reproductive advantage ... every ... single ... change ... that's the science ... and it's a non-theistic belief ... we aren't relying on gods in Biology ... it's what can be observed, what can be measured and what can be ... [giggle] ... reproduced !!! ...

To answer a question from above ... and I don't know why you divided up your questions into separate posts ... the purpose of individual organisms is to reproduce ... do you know what an ecological niche is? ... and if so, do you think the organism comes first and the niche created ... or does the niche come into existence first, to be filled by an organism ...

For example ... did big-leaf maples exist before and the Rocky Mountains raised up to create a niche for these maples ... or did teh Rocky Mountains rise out of the plains and then sugar maples changed into big-leaf maple ... DNA says the latter, through inherited traits ... see above ...

 

[Woodznutz]

Life evolves for logical reasons. Natural selection is based upon functional advantage. Functional advantage is logical. We live in a logical universe where every effect had a cause. The definition of purpose is the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists. The definition of reason is a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event. And since we live in a logical universe where every effect had a cause, evolution of space and time happens for logical reasons and serves a purpose. As much as you would like to believe everything is random and accidental, the evidence suggests otherwise. There is reason and purpose in the evolution of space and time. Nothing happened that did not have a reason, everything is connected and serves a purpose in the evolution of space and time.

Why is man so illogical? Much of what we do isn't in our best interests.

 

[Woodznutz]

You seem humble enough. You're okay with me.

The activist bit gets a little annoying. Like Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door.

People who "get it" are usually quiet and unassuming. They'll defend their beliefs when needed but usually aren't on the corner with a megaphone. That's been my experience, anyway.

I'm only this way on these forums.

 

[ReinyDays]

Natural selection is based upon functional advantage.

That's Darwinism ... and known to be flawed now 100 years ... any functional advantage will be lost if the individual doesn't pass on the genes for this advantage ...

Hitler had functional advantages, but no children so his is an evolutionary deadend ... compare that to George H.W. Bush and all his spawn ... his advantage is now twice as powerful ... plus he has a full bucket of grandchildren ... evolutionary success ...

Worst ... Stalin has a daughter who defected to the West ... better than Hitler, worse than Bush ... and no one will match Queen Victoria of England ...

 

[Woodznutz]

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Weren't they a famous rock band from England?

 

[ding]

I think you're under-thinking this ... Mendel fully demonstrated evolution is strictly manifest through inherited traits ...

I already said the purpose of evolution is reproductive advantage ... every ... single ... change ... that's the science ... and it's a non-theistic belief ... we aren't relying on gods in Biology ... it's what can be observed, what can be measured and what can be ... [giggle] ... reproduced !!! ...

To answer a question from above ... and I don't know why you divided up your questions into separate posts ... the purpose of individual organisms is to reproduce ... do you know what an ecological niche is? ... and if so, do you think the organism comes first and the niche created ... or does the niche come into existence first, to be filled by an organism ...

For example ... did big-leaf maples exist before and the Rocky Mountains raised up to create a niche for these maples ... or did teh Rocky Mountains rise out of the plains and then sugar maples changed into big-leaf maple ... DNA says the latter, through inherited traits ... see above ...

I doubt anyone is actually thinking of reproductive advantage when they procreate. And yes, the mechanism for evolution is genes - both natural selection and genetic mutation. Again... you are in the weeds. The big picture is that evolution does not occur randomly but for logical reasons.

 

[ding]

Why is man so illogical? Much of what we do isn't in our best interests.

Lots of reasons... pride, ignorance, stupidity, etc.

 

[ding]

That's Darwinism ... and known to be flawed now 100 years ... any functional advantage will be lost if the individual doesn't pass on the genes for this advantage ...

Hitler had functional advantages, but no children so his is an evolutionary deadend ... compare that to George H.W. Bush and all his spawn ... his advantage is now twice as powerful ... plus he has a full bucket of grandchildren ... evolutionary success ...

Worst ... Stalin has a daughter who defected to the West ... better than Hitler, worse than Bush ... and no one will match Queen Victoria of England ...

Natural selection does a good job of describing the evolution of a species, not so much for the origin of species.

That's some splendid logic you have there.

 

[westwall]

Both intelligent design, but the designer of the first was much more intelligent, based on the work.

Agreed. Pugs were created for Buddhist monks if I remember correctly.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Acceptance Is a Doormat Doctrine

Shit happens because ShitHeads on top make it happen. And passives let them get away with it.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Why is man so illogical? Much of what we do isn't in our best interests.

Boredom Is a Burden

Our best interests aren't interesting.

 

[Woodznutz]

Boredom Is a Burden

Our best interests aren't interesting.

Once we take care of our best interests, we can move on to more interesting things. If we don't we might not be able to move on.

 

[Woodznutz]

Boredom Is a Burden

Boredom and laziness are first cousins.

 

[scruffy]

Once we take care of our best interests, we can move on to more interesting things. If we don't we might not be able to move on.

Agreed.

Certain things just need more time.

This earth can sustain about 22 billion people. That's what the math tells us, more or less.

Once we get beyond that, conditions get pretty miserable. Like 17th century England. Which is why people left, they were willing to risk a journey into the unknown, knowing in advance there was a 33% chance it would kill them.

Our expansion into space is the same way. If we wait until conditions get sufficiently miserable we'll have to go anyway. I vote for going early.

 

[Woodznutz]

Agreed.

Certain things just need more time.

This earth can sustain about 22 billion people. That's what the math tells us, more or less.

Once we get beyond that, conditions get pretty miserable. Like 17th century England. Which is why people left, they were willing to risk a journey into the unknown, knowing in advance there was a 33% chance it would kill them.

Our expansion into space is the same way. If we wait until conditions get sufficiently miserable we'll have to go anyway. I vote for going early.

The earth can't deal with 7 billion people now, much less 22 billion people.

 

[ding]

Acceptance Is a Doormat Doctrine

Shit happens because ShitHeads on top make it happen. And passives let them get away with it.

That's a very external locus of control way of looking at things.

 

[ReinyDays]

I doubt anyone is actually thinking of reproductive advantage when they procreate. And yes, the mechanism for evolution is genes - both natural selection and genetic mutation. Again... you are in the weeds. The big picture is that evolution does not occur randomly but for logical reasons.

Please explain this logic ... keep it simple ... "If A then B" ... what is the logic for SARS? ...

Start with "A" ... please ...

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That's a very external locus of control way of looking at things.

Sacrifice Those Who Make It Unfair

They are the ones who want us to accept the mess they made as just something that happened naturally. They want us to believe there's nothing we can do about it because no special group caused it. Those who walk tall walk all over us. Break their legs and make them crawl.