Man. Where evolution went tragically wrong.

Yes. Do you understand that the creation event occurred well before the universe became transparent due to the universe cooling enough to allow radiation to decouple from matter?

Are you aware the Bible states Creation lasted six days ... False Prophet much? ...
 
Deflection ... what is the logic in your so-called "purpose" of organisms ... my claim is this is strictly reproduction ... now you're being an evasive little shit because you've painted yourself into a corner ...

Methane, ammonia and liquid water ... from this life spontaneously erupts without Divine intervention ...

Or are you saying pair production is real but ToE isn't ... boy you sure twisted yourself a knot here ...
No deflection. Science. It’s public record. You don’t know Jack shit about this.
 
Or are you saying pair production is real but ToE isn't ... boy you sure twisted yourself a knot here ...
I’m saying you are saying a bunch of nonsensical things that have nothing to do with the paired particle quantum tunneling event we so affectionately call the Big Bang.
 
Oh ... and for the mathematical proof of my claims ... see:

Wald, George; "The Origin of Life"; Scientific American, August 1954 ...

I know ... you don't have any math ... [sigh] ...
 
Oh ... and for the mathematical proof of my claims ... see:

Wald, George; "The Origin of Life"; Scientific American, August 1954 ...

I know ... you don't have any math ... [sigh] ...
For some odd reason you think the radiation wasn’t created before it decoupled from matter.

It’s really funny that you confuse the creation of radiation with radiation decoupling from matter.
 
Oh ... and for the mathematical proof of my claims ... see:

Wald, George; "The Origin of Life"; Scientific American, August 1954 ...

I know ... you don't have any math ... [sigh] ...
Here’s mine.

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What created this "Intelligent creating machine"? ... c'mon, this isn't logic ... I understand the claim you're making, but what is the logical step ... all you're saying is "If A, then A" ... and that's a logical fallacy ...


"This makes it an example of circular reasoning" ...
This Power Grab Was Also Obiter Dictum. Therefore, It Was Non-Binding.

Here's an example of that fallacy that the rulers don't dare to teach. In Marbury versus Madison, the Supreme Court interpreted the Constitution as giving it sole power to interpret the Constitution.
 
Actually the question comes down to was space and time intentionally created or was it created through happenstance.

So no circular logic whatsoever.

This question is completely philosophical ... and has no bearing on ToE ... what ain't circular is pure deflection ...

You claim the universe was created ... and that this is logical ... so what is your logic? ...

My claim is everything we think of the universe before it was 370,000-years-old is inferred ... we have no data, no evidence and no information from before that time ...

... as of yet ...

Thus ... we cannot conclude anything from this epoch ... except by guessing ... speculating ... and again, deflects from the advent of life on Earth ... and more important to this thread, how life evolved from simple forms to more complex form over the enormity of time ...

This has nothing to do with CMB ...
 
This question is completely philosophical ... and has no bearing on ToE ... what ain't circular is pure deflection ...

You claim the universe was created ... and that this is logical ... so what is your logic? ...

My claim is everything we think of the universe before it was 370,000-years-old is inferred ... we have no data, no evidence and no information from before that time ...

... as of yet ...

Thus ... we cannot conclude anything from this epoch ... except by guessing ... speculating ... and again, deflects from the advent of life on Earth ... and more important to this thread, how life evolved from simple forms to more complex form over the enormity of time ...

This has nothing to do with CMB ...
I disagree intentionality is at the heart of the debate. And you aren't equipped to discuss the origin of the universe. You still don't understand that the CMB is the evidence for the universe beginning. When you can tell me how the CMB was created, we can talk.
 
I disagree intentionality is at the heart of the debate. And you aren't equipped to discuss the origin of the universe. You still don't understand that the CMB is the evidence for the universe beginning. When you can tell me how the CMB was created, we can talk.

CMB was created when the universe finally cool enough for hydrogen to enter her gaseous state, and became transparent to light ... before she was in her plasma state which is opaque to light ... therefore, there is no light, or information from light, from before this epoch ... when we can see that far, it will be completely black, no light at all .. ≈ 370,000 years after the Big Bang if you believe in that stuff ...

If pair production occurred before this time, any and all information about this activity is lost ... we can only infer it took place because, well, where else would the Hydrogen plasma come from? ... but that's philosophy, there's no way to falsify this claim ...

The specific cause of CMB? ... c'mon man ... Astronomy 101:


After 13.7 billion years of expansion, these "nanometer" UV wavelengths get stretched out to "millimeter" microwave wavelengths ...
 
CMB was created when the universe finally cool enough for hydrogen to enter her gaseous state
No. Incorrect. Like I said... you don't know what you are talking about. The CMB is radiation from when paired particles (matter and anti-matter) annihilate each other.

What you are describing is when the universe cooled enough to allow radiation to decouple from matter.

The radiation and matter were created very quickly and early in the life of the universe FROM PAIRED PARTICLE PRODUCTION.
 
No. Incorrect. Like I said... you don't know what you are talking about. The CMB is radiation from when paired particles (matter and anti-matter) annihilate each other.

What you are describing is when the universe cooled enough to allow radiation to decouple from matter.

The radiation and matter were created very quickly and early in the life of the universe FROM PAIRED PARTICLE PRODUCTION.

How does EM emissions from pair production propagate through an opaque universe? ... I showed the actual physics involved creating the CMB, electrons emitting photons in order to reduce their KE enough to be associated with protons ... and "hey Vern", pair production absorbs photons ... can't you keep your bullshit straight? ...

Here's a cartoon for you ... see where the CMB starts ... at the dawn of the "Age of Atoms" ...

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"Hey Vern" ... the subject was ToE before your cruel deflection ...
 
How does EM emissions from pair production propagate through an opaque universe? ... I showed the actual physics involved creating the CMB, electrons emitting photons in order to reduce their KE enough to be associated with protons ... and "hey Vern", pair production absorbs photons ... can't you keep your bullshit straight? ...

Here's a cartoon for you ... see where the CMB starts ... at the dawn of the "Age of Atoms" ...

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"Hey Vern" ... the subject was ToE before your cruel deflection ...
You are arguing semantics. The radiation came from the creation event which was paired particle production.


 
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You are arguing semantics. The radiation came from the creation event which was paired particle production.



Pair particle production consumes radiation ... not create it ... see where your own post claims "matter and anti-matter were being created equally out of the radiation"

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ... thank you for the citation that confirms MY claims, not yours ...

What a loser ... again ... HAW HAW HAW ... from your link:

Matter Era
  • Atomic Epoch
    • Begins about 50,000 years after the Big Bang
    • Atoms form and remain intact (electrons attached to nuclei)
      • Electromagnetic radiation decouples
      • Cosmic Microwave Background appears
    • Ends 200,000,000 years after Big Bang
  • Galactic Epoch
    • Large scale structure and bulk of most galaxies form
    • Lasts from 200,000,000 years to 3,000,000,000 after Big Bang
  • Stellar Epoch
    • Stars continue to form up to today
    • Extends into the Dark Energy Era
  • [emphasis mine]

Thank you for proving yourself wrong ... again ... I can see why you deflected from your bogus evolution claims ...
 
Pair particle production consumes radiation ... not create it ... see where your own post claims "matter and anti-matter were being created equally out of the radiation"

HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW ... thank you for the citation that confirms MY claims, not yours ...

What a loser ... again ... HAW HAW HAW ... from your link:

Matter Era
  • Atomic Epoch
    • Begins about 50,000 years after the Big Bang
    • Atoms form and remain intact (electrons attached to nuclei)
      • Electromagnetic radiation decouples
      • Cosmic Microwave Background appears
    • Ends 200,000,000 years after Big Bang
  • Galactic Epoch
    • Large scale structure and bulk of most galaxies form
    • Lasts from 200,000,000 years to 3,000,000,000 after Big Bang
  • Stellar Epoch
    • Stars continue to form up to today
    • Extends into the Dark Energy Era
  • [emphasis mine]

Thank you for proving yourself wrong ... again ... I can see why you deflected from your bogus evolution claims ...
Paired particles create radiation when they annihilate each other, dummy. And given that 1 billion antimatter particles annihilated 1 billion matter particles for every ONE particle that make up the universe, that's how come there is so much radiation. The radiation dominated the early universe. It wasn't created when the universe cooled enough for the radiation to decouple from matter like you are suggesting.
 
Paired particles create radiation when they annihilate each other, dummy. And given that 1 billion antimatter particles annihilated 1 billion matter particles for every ONE particle that make up the universe, that's how come there is so much radiation. The radiation dominated the early universe. It wasn't created when the universe cooled enough for the radiation to decouple from matter like you are suggesting.

That's not what your link says ... look round yourself, stupid, do you see any matter? ... why are you saying this matter was annihilated? ...

What lab experiment can we perform to demonstrate this so-called "single-particle production" ... or is this just some wild speculation from Popular Mechanics? ...

This has nothing to do with evolution ... coward ... grow some balls and stick to the subject ... and read your fucking citations before you post them ... "What logic provides purpose to changes in inherited traits" ...

1.2 pm wavelength ... you've got to be kidding ...
 
That's not what your link says ... look round yourself, stupid, do you see any matter? ... why are you saying this matter was annihilated? ...

What lab experiment can we perform to demonstrate this so-called "single-particle production" ... or is this just some wild speculation from Popular Mechanics? ...

This has nothing to do with evolution ... coward ... grow some balls and stick to the subject ... and read your fucking citations before you post them ... "What logic provides purpose to changes in inherited traits" ...

1.2 pm wavelength ... you've got to be kidding ...
That's exactly what it says, dummy.
 

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