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Man-Solved Global Warming?

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This didn't get the press coverage it should have.. Must be the storm and the election..

AP IMPACT: CO2 emissions in US drop to 20-year low - Yahoo! News

PITTSBURGH (AP) — In a surprising turnaround, the amount of carbon dioxide being released into the atmosphere in the U.S. has fallen dramatically to its lowest level in 20 years, and government officials say the biggest reason is that cheap and plentiful natural gas has led many power plant operators to switch from dirtier-burning coal.

Many of the world's leading climate scientists didn't see the drop coming, in large part because it happened as a result of market forces rather than direct government action against carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that traps heat in the atmosphere.

In a little-noticed technical report, the U.S. Energy Information Agency, a part of the Energy Department, said this month that energy related U.S. CO2 emissions for the first four months of this year fell to about 1992 levels.

While conservation efforts, the lagging economy and greater use of renewable energy are factors in the CO2 decline, the drop-off is due mainly to low-priced natural gas, the agency said.

Back to 1992 levels?? Holy Cow Batman.. Without Kyoto -- without cap and trade.

Stand by for the cooling to begin?? Or will Mauna Loa CO2 keep going up without us?

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Well, shit. Looks like the AGW cult is going to have to find some other disaster that only world socialism can save us from.
 
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Well, shit. Looks like the AGW cult is going to have to find some other disaster that only world socialism can save us from.

Here's the bad news.. While WE are accidentally :lol: cleaning up our "carbon footprint", Japan, Germany and a few others are ditching their nuclear (or threatening to). And CHINA is building a new coal plant every week.

So ---- the hysterical US contingient of warmers is just gonna have to shake down OTHER COUNTRIES and hobble their economies.. How sad..

Might be fun to watch...
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Well, shit. Looks like the AGW cult is going to have to find some other disaster that only world socialism can save us from.

Here's the bad news.. While WE are accidentally :lol: cleaning up our "carbon footprint", Japan, Germany and a few others are ditching their nuclear (or threatening to). And CHINA is building a new coal plant every week.

So ---- the hysterical US contingient of warmers is just gonna have to shake down OTHER COUNTRIES and hobble their economies.. How sad..

Might be fun to watch...
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Never happen. American CO2 is more powerful than that of other nations.
 

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Well, shit. Looks like the AGW cult is going to have to find some other disaster that only world socialism can save us from.

Here's the bad news.. While WE are accidentally :lol: cleaning up our "carbon footprint", Japan, Germany and a few others are ditching their nuclear (or threatening to). And CHINA is building a new coal plant every week.

So ---- the hysterical US contingient of warmers is just gonna have to shake down OTHER COUNTRIES and hobble their economies.. How sad..

Might be fun to watch...
:D


I'm pretty sure they're going to want us to foot the bill .... which better not happen.
 
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This is maybe the most important news for man-caused global warming of the year..

Anybody see the mainstream media pick up on this?

The greeny eco-nauts don't want to celebrate this victory over evil polluting CO2 because ----

A) They didn't get to pummel big oil and fossil fuel industry.
B) The Government was no part of the solution.
C) THey are too busy trying to stop the development of Nat Gas reserves in this country...
D) Makes the UN KYoto and other treaties look ridiculous..

See -- they really didn't care about CO2 levels and Global Warming -- it was all about pushing THEIR weak-ass alternatives and govt control of fossil fuel development and economic "fairness".
 

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CO2 in atmosphere, September, 2012. 391 ppm Level in 1800, 280 ppm. Level at the depth of the last ice age, 180 ppm. In other words, we have put more CO2 in the atmosphere than was the differance between glacial and interglacial periods.

CH4 has increased by more than 250%. The normal interglacial maximum for CH4 is 700 ppb. At present we are above 1800 ppb.

http://www.atmosresearch.com/NCGG2a 2002.pdf

File:Mlo ch4 ts obs 03437.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To think that this cannot have an effect is denying reality.
 

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CO2 in atmosphere, September, 2012. 391 ppm Level in 1800, 280 ppm. Level at the depth of the last ice age, 180 ppm. In other words, we have put more CO2 in the atmosphere than was the differance between glacial and interglacial periods.

CH4 has increased by more than 250%. The normal interglacial maximum for CH4 is 700 ppb. At present we are above 1800 ppb.

http://www.atmosresearch.com/NCGG2a 2002.pdf

File:Mlo ch4 ts obs 03437.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To think that this cannot have an effect is denying reality.
But to claim it is because you feel it has to is not science, it's wishful thinking.
 
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CO2 in atmosphere, September, 2012. 391 ppm Level in 1800, 280 ppm. Level at the depth of the last ice age, 180 ppm. In other words, we have put more CO2 in the atmosphere than was the differance between glacial and interglacial periods.

CH4 has increased by more than 250%. The normal interglacial maximum for CH4 is 700 ppb. At present we are above 1800 ppb.

http://www.atmosresearch.com/NCGG2a 2002.pdf

File:Mlo ch4 ts obs 03437.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To think that this cannot have an effect is denying reality.

Question is Roxy --- Why aren't you CONGRATULATING us on doing such a fine job?? You should definately host an Armaggedon Averted party..

Levels at the depth of an ice age are pretty f'in irrelevent. Levels when the dinosaurs roamed the earth > 1000 ppm...

Level of USA CAUSED emissions TODAY < what we produced in 1995.. THAT'S the news flash here. Think Mauna Loa CO2 will keep steadily climbing? Will the percent of atmos. CO2 due to man shrink? Stay tuned.

What would you say if man-made CO2 held steady and NATURAL CO2 continue to rise?
 
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About 40% of the present level due to man. As far as the science of GHG warming goes, here is what the largest Scientific Society of phycists have to say;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

Here is what the Scientific Society with the largest number of members involved in climate research has to say;

Human Impacts on Climate

Adopted by Council December 2003
Revised and Reaffirmed December 2007

The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system&#8212;including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons&#8212;are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6°C over the period 1956&#8211;2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850. The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate.

During recent millennia of relatively stable climate, civilization became established and populations have grown rapidly. In the next 50 years, even the lower limit of impending climate change&#8212;an additional global mean warming of 1°C above the last decade&#8212;is far beyond the range of climate variability experienced during the past thousand years and poses global problems in planning for and adapting to it. Warming greater than 2°C above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive, reducing global agricultural productivity, causing widespread loss of biodiversity, and&#8212;if sustained over centuries&#8212;melting much of the Greenland ice sheet with ensuing rise in sea level of several meters. If this 2°C warming is to be avoided, then our net annual emissions of CO2 must be reduced by more than 50 percent within this century. With such projections, there are many sources of scientific uncertainty, but none are known that could make the impact of climate change inconsequential. Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections.

With climate change, as with ozone depletion, the human footprint on Earth is apparent. The cause of disruptive climate change, unlike ozone depletion, is tied to energy use and runs through modern society. Solutions will necessarily involve all aspects of society. Mitigation strategies and adaptation responses will call for collaborations across science, technology, industry, and government. Members of the AGU, as part of the scientific community, collectively have special responsibilities: to pursue research needed to understand it; to educate the public on the causes, risks, and hazards; and to communicate clearly and objectively with those who can implement policies to shape future climate.


AGU Position Statement: Human Impacts on Climate
 

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Yes, we are doing better. And the nations seeking to become wealthy are following the path that we did and are adding more at present than we are. However, most of the GHGs in the atmosphere today are the products of the USA and Europe.

Now you notice that I have ceased to even speak of prevention. You see, we are already seeing consequences, from the melting of the Arctic Ocean sea ice, to the increase in extreme storm events. And the differance between 'natural' CO2 and manmade CO2 is a chimera on your part. 'Natural' CO2 has not exceeded 300 ppm for over 450,000 years. For the same period, CH4 was 700 ppb. It is now over 1800 ppb.

We are starting to see a lot of 'natural' CO2 and CH4 as the Arctic permafrost melts, and the Arctic Ocean clathrates are outgassing. Until the last 150 years, the Arctic temperatures were actually in a slow decline. Now they are rapidly rising, and affecting the weather of the whole world. You can call those GHGs 'natural' if you wish, but they would not be outgassing had we not added the manmade GHGs.
 

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Yes, we are doing better. And the nations seeking to become wealthy are following the path that we did and are adding more at present than we are. However, most of the GHGs in the atmosphere today are the products of the USA and Europe.

Now you notice that I have ceased to even speak of prevention. You see, we are already seeing consequences, from the melting of the Arctic Ocean sea ice, to the increase in extreme storm events. And the differance between 'natural' CO2 and manmade CO2 is a chimera on your part. 'Natural' CO2 has not exceeded 300 ppm for over 450,000 years. For the same period, CH4 was 700 ppb. It is now over 1800 ppb.

We are starting to see a lot of 'natural' CO2 and CH4 as the Arctic permafrost melts, and the Arctic Ocean clathrates are outgassing. Until the last 150 years, the Arctic temperatures were actually in a slow decline. Now they are rapidly rising, and affecting the weather of the whole world. You can call those GHGs 'natural' if you wish, but they would not be outgassing had we not added the manmade GHGs.
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