Man blocks black delivery driver in Oklahoma neighborhood

[Missourian]

White people ended slavery, that will never go away indeed. Always will be remembered as the least racist.

You know your statement above is like a domestic violence abuser believing he should get brownie points because he STOPPED abusing his victim.

They wouldn't have had to end slavery if they hadn't instituted it in the first place.

What's this "they"? Are whites a homogeneous block that whatever one white does the rest are responsible for?

Cuz that sounds awfully familiar...

 

[Levant]

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

You vill teel us what vee vant to know.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

That doesn't sound right - the part about a private individual can stop you from leaving and question you.

I'll grant this man has a right to stop and ask some deliveryman why he is inside the fenced area
and this man has the right to tell him to buzz off, though he probably would not do so.

What he does NOT have the right to do is to block his access and make him a sort of prisoner
(it's literally against the law) and furthermore it seems to me racism is the reason here.

This behavior goes beyond the pale and I doubt a white driver would be blocked in so he could not leave.
If you feel comfortable defending racism that says a lot about you, and it's not good.

 

[IM2]

"its amazing hundreds of blacks are killed by other blacks Daily AND NOT A PEEP from the left- EVER!"

The racists always try this argument when another act if racism is displayed. Hundreds of whites are killed by other whites daily also and there is not a peep from the right. In fact when you bring it up, they come 0up with the ancient old per capita claim.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

And the meltdown continues. You should lie down and count backwards from 1000 until you can reign in your emotions.

Blow me. And keep on trying, little fella. You'll land a punch some day (but not on me).
Where do you see this "meltdown". I see no proof of that at all.

 

[WEATHER53]

"its amazing hundreds of blacks are killed by other blacks Daily AND NOT A PEEP from the left- EVER!"

The racists always try this argument when another act if racism is displayed. Hundreds of whites are killed by other whites daily also and there is not a peep from the right. In fact when you bring it up, they come 0up with the ancient old per capita claim.

Yes we do bring up the facts which we know is very inconvenient for you. Now go ballistic and call me racist and then refresh and reload.

 

[Levant]

You've never been to Oklahoma. If you had you wouldn't make such an absurd statement. Please refrain from opining on topics on which you are woefully ignorant.

What difference does it make if a person has been to Oklahoma? Is Oklahoma racism a special kind of racism, different from everywhere else? Is Oklahoma racism especially justified based on a different experience in Oklahoma from the rest of the nation?

 

[Missourian]

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

You vill teel us what vee vant to know.

The article doesn't say how they found out who three delivery went to. Called the drivers company? The homeowner came clean? Who knows.

 

[Missourian]

Blow me. And keep on trying, little fella. You'll land a punch some day (but not on me).
Where do you see this "meltdown". I see no proof of that at all.

And the meltdown continues....

 

[Levant]

Sheesh is right...the unnamed person gave authorization...and gave or a code they were not authorized to release to a third party.

Why are you claiming this homeowner was not authorized to give a gate code to this furniture delivery truck? WHY?

In all likelihood, the homeowner didn't give the code to Miller; Miller's boss or dispatcher most likely gave him the code. Miller knew who his customer was but didn't really know who gave the code - not in any way that would hold up in court. Stewart should have called the furniture store if he wanted to play detective and find out which resident gave the code so he could fine them.

 

[Missourian]

You've never been to Oklahoma. If you had you wouldn't make such an absurd statement. Please refrain from opining on topics on which you are woefully ignorant.

What difference does it make if a person has been to Oklahoma? Is Oklahoma racism a special kind of racism, different from everywhere else? Is Oklahoma racism especially justified based on a different experience in Oklahoma from the rest of the nation?

That is what the poster who is presently not in control of his emotions was insinuating.

What I was referencing was the location as a suburb of a diverse major metropolitan. You can see the bigotry of he who its unhinged.

Bigotry isn't always race based you know.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

What difference does it make if a person has been to Oklahoma? Is Oklahoma racism a special kind of racism, different from everywhere else? Is Oklahoma racism especially justified based on a different experience in Oklahoma from the rest of the nation?

Oklahoma racism is the sort of racism that folks from Missouri try to defend because they are from the
same neck of the woods and the same stink that covers Oklahoma gets on Missouri too.
You don't have to defend racists in Oklahoma but Missourian just seems to like to.

 

[Missourian]

In all likelihood, the homeowner didn't give the code to Miller; Miller's boss or dispatcher most likely gave him the code.

That's entirely possible...but why not say so? "It was with the dispatch form." Problem solved.

 

[Dr Grump]

I get that...but if you felt you were "being held hostage" would you be worried about some grass? And why wouldn't he call the police?

And why wouldn't he tell them from whom he received the gate code?

I think we are in the same movie...two screens conundrum.

Ready for speculation?

I don't think they gave a crap about this guy being there. I think they wanted three person who came three gate code to a non-resident...because it compromised their security...and they wanted to give that person (the homeowner) a fine to teach them a lesson. Once they found out who it was...they were satisfied.

Further speculation...I think the driver KNEW he wasn't supposed to have the gate code. Thatthe homeowner had said he/she wasn't supposed to give it out...and the driver was trying to protect his customer (who may have been doing the driver a favor by allowing him to deliver during working hours instead of at night) which is completely admirable.

It was a minor thing to the driver and the homeowner...but HOAs take that stuff seriously.

Now...that's all just a theory...but it is as good a theory of not better than "everyone's a racist" and it explains a lot of the unexplainable in this story.

I'm not saying this is what happened...by but it could be.

We are too quick to jump to conclusions. And I just don't understand that. Just because the driver is black doesn't mean the root of the conflict is racism.

To be fair, the driver said he probably could have handled it better.
However, there is a bit of commonesense that should go around, too. How do they think the truck got through the gate in the first place? Smashed through the gate? Jumped it? Of course he had to have a password or key to get into the community.

 

[Andylusion]

Another one to file under "working while black"

"My intention was never to go viral," Travis Miller said. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

May 14, 2020, 1:33 PM PDT / Updated May 15, 2020, 11:14 AM PDT
By Janelle Griffith and Doha Madani

A black delivery driver was brought to tears while recording himself and a black co-worker as they were blocked from leaving a gated Oklahoma City neighborhood for nearly an hour by a white resident who demanded to know why they were there.
Travis Miller, who delivers home appliances and furniture, captured the incident Monday in a Facebook Live video that has gone viral. The 37-minute video had nearly 300,000 views by Thursday evening and had been shared more than 10,000 times.

Miller, like many of those who commented on the video, believe the encounter was racially motivated.

Miller, 42, told NBC News that his customer in Edmond gave him the code to get through the neighborhood's gate. After completing the delivery and as they were trying to exit, a man who identified himself as David Stewart and a board member of the homeowners' association can be seen on the video questioning Miller and his co-worker about why they were on his street.
A man by that name could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Miller said in the video that he was trying to make a U-turn and that as he turned around, the man was blocking him in with a white Subaru.

"If I go around him, I'm going to have to drive on somebody's property and I don't want to make a bad situation worse," Miller said in the video.

Miller repeatedly asked the man to move the car.

"I'm not moving," the man said. "All you have to do is tell me where you're going."

Miller refused, saying he did not have to tell the man anything.

Miller said Thursday that he kept his seat belt on, remained in the truck and recorded the encounter to protect himself and his colleague.

"My intention was never to go viral," Miller said in a phone interview Thursday. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

He said he also did not want the situation to escalate, because he feared that if police had responded, he would have been perceived as the aggressor.

About 30 minutes into the encounter, a second white man confronted Miller.

"All we want to know is why you're in here and who gave you the gate code," the second man said. "That's all we need to know."

After Miller refused to reveal his client's personal information, the man who identified himself as Stewart said he was calling police.

At one point in the video, Miller can be seen with tears streaming down his face. He wipes his tears away with a blue bandanna before he, too, calls police.

The man who initially approached Miller can be seen in the video calling police to withdraw a report after he got in touch with Miller's customer.

Miller said he also called Edmond police to make sure the man had withdrawn his report.

Miller said his customer defused the situation by telling the two men to move.

"He said he was sorry it happened," Miller said. "He said those guys are overprotective of the neighborhood."

Capt. Larry Withrow of the Oklahoma City Police Department said Friday that officers did not go to the scene because the original caller who reported that "there was a trespasser in the subdivision" at 4:21 p.m. called back about 30 minutes later and cancelled the report. Withrow said a third call was placed at about 4:55 p.m. by a man who said he wanted to know if it was OK for him to leave the property.

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Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood

Man blocks black delivery driver in an Oklahoma neighborhood

Note how because this fits with the narrative the media want to push, it's making national headlines.

If this was a white guy, no one would have mentioned it.

Now the racists bigots among us, will say something idiotic like "If he was white, they would not have stopped him!"

.... oh but you are so wrong. See, I did courier delivery for several years, and people did stop me.

The only difference is, I didn't go screaming to the press about how everyone was racists. Why? Because I'm better than you people.

Now the irony is, I was entirely on this guys side at the start.

"My intention was never to go viral," Travis Miller said. "My intention was to cover myself in case he called my employer and said I did something other than what I did."

When he said that... I'm on his side. I thought he was being attacked without cause.

But instead here is what I read.....

“All we want to know is why you’re in here and who gave you the gate code,” the second homeowner said. “That’s all we need to know.”

That is a perfectly legitimate question, and here was his reply.....

Miller responded, “It’s none of your business. I’m going out, that’s where I’m going.”

WRONG ANSWER JERK. Answer the question. I've done it. What is with people these days "I don't have to answer anyone!" bull crap?

Yeah you do have to answer. Stop being a stuck up prick.

Look, all you black people... as long as you keep acting like you are too good to answer simple questions, and endlessly escalate every stupid irrelevant waste of time interaction with your follow human beings....

you are going to keep getting killed... keep getting shot... keep getting treated like crap by those around you, and rightly so.

I've seen numerous people just like this, cop that kind of attitude at work, and then scream and cry how unfair white people are when they don't get promoted, and they are the first to be laid off when things get slow.

You act like that to your fellow people... don't be surprised when the numbers are little low this month, and Miller with the attitude gets laid off. Don't be surprised when Bob the White guy who has only been there a month, but doesn't have an attitude gets promoted over you.

YOUR FAULT. Stop being jerk wad. Answer the question. If this race baiting idiot, had simply said "Jones gave me the number. We delivered an appliance to their house" the entire event would have been 15 seconds and over with.

How do I know this? I've delivered stuff, and had people ask me who I was, how'd I get in there, and what was I doing there.

I answer the questions, because I wasn't a stuck up snobbish prick... and the entire thing was over instantly.

GROW UP. Stop being a prick.

 

[Levant]

How is someone waiting for an hour suddenly news? He probably got paid just the same.

Seriously? as long as he was paid then random people on the street have the right to stop people and hold them against their will? So what if a person is off the clock and not losing any pay anyway? Can I hold you against your will for a few hours as long as you're not losing wages - like in the evening? Or, if you're on a salary, can I hold you against your will any time I want? And it's just "waiting" while I hold you?

YOu're a ******* idiot.

Once again, I came to this forum to debate leftists but I find the real work needed here is to expose many of the fake, self-proclaimed, conservatives for the idiots they are. Idiots like this are a far greater threat to our liberty and society than are most Democrats.

 

[Missourian]

What difference does it make if a person has been to Oklahoma? Is Oklahoma racism a special kind of racism, different from everywhere else? Is Oklahoma racism especially justified based on a different experience in Oklahoma from the rest of the nation?

Oklahoma racism is the sort of racism that folks from Missouri try to defend because they are from the
same neck of the woods and the same stink that covers Oklahoma gets on Missouri too.
You don't have to defend racists in Oklahoma but Missourian just seems to like to.

You just can't get your emotional outbursts under control can ya. I'm going to put you on ignore until your tantrum is resolved...that way I won't have to read your butthurt and if I don't respond you'll manage to get control of yourself.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

That doesn't sound right - the part about a private individual can stop you from leaving and question you.

It's a private road.

Imagine I live on a farm with a mile long driveway. As I drive in, I see you coming out. I position my truck so you can't proceed. I have every right to do that...it's my property and my driveway. I can also question you "who are you and what are you doing here?"

You don't have to answer...but you also can't force me to move. You CAN call the police...and THEY can ask me to move...or comed out and investigate. Totally legal.

Same idea here...it's a private road. That's why I don't understand why the driver didn't call the police.

Edit-these long quote streams are out of hand.

But this "driveway" road is a common road used by many others and one of those many others gave permission for me to be on that road. So how can you, as someone who had no knowledge of the permission given, lawfully detain me on that road by refusing to let me leave simply because you were not privy to the permission given?

 

[Levant]

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

My Mom lives in a gated community and residents there get deliveries all throughout the day; nothing is scheduled...

I order online a lot and many sites have a place for special delivery instructions, like gate codes. Pizza places have it, Chinese food has it, parts and other places have it. Mail and UPS have it.

If the community is worried about security; they should change their codes regularly. If a delivery person uses the codes later to steal, the employer likely has insurance and bonding to cover that.

In fact, my guess is that each resident has their own code so the logs will show how Miller got the code... no need for Gestapo like behavior from Stewart.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You just can't get your emotional outbursts under control can ya. I'm going to put you on ignore until your tantrum is resolved...that way I won't have to read your butthurt and if I don't respond you'll manage to get control of yourself.

Just keep on blowing...that's right.