Man blocks black delivery driver in Oklahoma neighborhood

[Missourian]

You're an idiot. People who are being held hostage call the police. Words have meanings. If you attempt to convey a narrative that is clearly idiotic...that makes you an idiot. If you don't want to be called an idiot, stop being idiotic. Problem solved.

So if you stand at my front door and don't let me leave my home I am not being detained unless I call the
cops on you? That's just plain stupid. Only a caveman would think he has a valid point there.
There may be many reasons why I might not call the police on you. **** off, idiot!

He wasn't in this home...he was on a private road behind a security fence. Your analogy is as weak as your control of your emotions.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

What a shocker the racists here assume because the men who stopped him were white racism had to be their motivation.

Stay in yer lane, rookie.

If you can't debate just say so boomer.

I'll catch up to your lame ass sometime later, rookie, if you hang around.
For sure.

All talk. No surprise. Come back when you grow a pair.

Come back when you grow a brain stem.

 

[Polishprince]

All sorts of delivery workers do enter gated communities on a regular daily basis. This is paranoid idiocy.
Why not just inform the vigilante with the Subaru where he had just delivered to? Why wasn't that tried?

It's not Miller's right to disclose the private business of his customer. That's just plain stupid. And he certainly has no obligation to.

Where in the law is the concept of furniture delivery- customer confidentiality? Just because someone drives a furniture truck, doesn't make them equivalent to a priest.

 

[Canon Shooter]

And he didn't have the right to enter the community without authorization.

It's not obvious to you that he had authorization to be there if he had just made a delivery?

Gate codes are for residents. Deliveries go through security.

I visit many gated communities. Every time I do, I have to go up to the gate and identify myself to a security guard. Not a single one, however, requires me to do that when I'm leaving. I simply stop at the gate, if automatically opens, and I go on my way.

Some communities don't have 24/7 security. In those instances, I call the person I'm visiting on the call box and they enter a code on their phone to open the gate...

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

He wasn't in this home...he was on a private road behind a security fence. Your analogy is as weak as your control of your emotions.

Jesus Christ, you are stupid! The pertinent part of the analogy is not being allowed to freely come and go as you wish. Being kept behind a security fence or in one's own home is beside the point.
You must be the smartest chimp in MENSA.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The idiots could have exercised some discretion and called the company to verify whether he was supposed to be there that day giving them the license plate & photo of the driver if necessary to makes themselves feel better.

You're right but even so, they could have made the call without blocking Miller. They had no right to block him.

Agreed. If they thought he was suspicious, jotting down the identifying information should have served their purpose, however when you block someone from being able to leave the inference is that they've committed some crime and you want to keep them there until the police can be summoned. It's can be particularly upsetting when you haven't committed a crime or done anything wrong.

 

[Missourian]

Not all HOA's are the same. We have hundreds of homes in my HOA and no roving patrol vehicle.
Some nazi's live here tho'.

That is true...but this one seems to have roving patrols , gate code restrictions and Nazis...and that's their prerogative. This delivery driver was on private property. The HOA administrator can park his car wherever he wants. He can control ingress and egress. He can block streets. The driver accepted that when he proceeded onto the property...as soon as he dove thru the gate.

The DRIVER never called police...until he was concerned if he was free to leave. That doesn't sound like a hostage. It sounds like someone who knew he was in the wrong.

What happens when you call the police and then leave the area where you asked them to come?

The HOA president called the police & withdrew his request to have officers dispatched and then the driver did also according to what I read.

That is what I read also. The point is...if someone actual feels that they are being "held hostage" and they have a phone and keys to a vehicle...would they not call the police? It is the narrative...or asst best, hyperbole I reject.

 

[Levant]

It wasn't that this guy was black, it was that he was inside the gate of a Gated Community and was not a resident.

Stewart could tell Miller was not a resident because Miller had a goatee? Or curly hair? Or was there some other physical characteristic about Miller that made Stewart assume Miller didn't live there?

Or, alternatively, Stewart knows and recognizes every resident of the neighborhood and, with no prejudice at all, knew that Miller didn't belong there? And we know there's no prejudice because Stewart has a provable record of stopping every person he ever sees in the neighborhood that is not in his internal memory bank of known residences?

Or, maybe you'll make the claim that Miller was the very first person that Stewart, though he'd lived there long enough to make himself known, run for office, and get elected to the HOA board, ever saw in the neighborhood who didn't live there.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

If you don't like the rules...move.

I don't live in an Oklahoma gated community, genius.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Does this neighborhood have a security guard at the entry gate?

 

[Missourian]

He wasn't in this home...he was on a private road behind a security fence. Your analogy is as weak as your control of your emotions.

Jesus Christ, you are stupid! The pertinent part of the analogy is not being allowed to freely come and go as you wish. Being kept behind a security fence or in one's own home is beside the point.
You must be the smartest chimp in MENSA.

You aren't very good as this. You should leave it to Mariyam. She is IMO very intelligent.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You could have just said "you're right, I've never been to Oklahoma and I have no idea what I'm talking about"...that would have been easier and faster.

It would have been a lie too. Just because you have the morals of a feral cat doesn't mean I do.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I’m surprised he didn’t get shot.

The white guy? Probably should have. Detaining someone like that CV would be seen as kidnapping.

 

[Canon Shooter]

All sorts of delivery workers do enter gated communities on a regular daily basis. This is paranoid idiocy.
Why not just inform the vigilante with the Subaru where he had just delivered to? Why wasn't that tried?

It's not Miller's right to disclose the private business of his customer. That's just plain stupid. And he certainly has no obligation to.

Where in the law is the concept of furniture delivery- customer confidentiality? Just because someone drives a furniture truck, doesn't make them equivalent to a priest.

No, but it doesn't give someone the right to stand in front of their truck and keep them from leaving just because he's suspicious. Take down the license plate, the company name and truck number (if it has one) and let the truck go...

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You aren't very good as this. You should leave it to Mariyam. She is IMO very intelligent.

You are shit at debates. Don't try to judge me. You don't have the credentials...or the brains.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

That is, by definition, NOT empirical evidence. That is what's known as anecdotal evidence. Using words you don't understand makes you look like a dunce attempting to sound intelligent.

That's real sharp thinking for a red necked moron! Empirical evidence is gathered by observation.
I observed through many delivery stops at security gates I often did not need any assistance to enter or leave a property because I was already given the access code.

Don't call me a dunce when you consistently deny this black driver was held hostage by some vigilante red
neck, speaking of people misusing words.

Grrr. Did you stamp your foot and shake your fist at the sky while you typed that?

The difference is...you are only attempting (and failing) to insult me by calling me a redneck because you have lost control of your emotions...likely because you are a weak individual mentally.

I, on the other hand, know for a fact that you are both a dunce and an idiot... because you think a man can be "held hostage" for an hour in a vehicle with keys and a cell phone...but never drives away and never calls the police.

You have no argument.

Did you miss the part in the article where the driver said he couldn't get around the vehicle without trespassing on the property of someone other than the delivery customer? The fact that he was worried about being accused of criminal activity if he did that should tell you something about his state of mind, particularly in light of the recent shooting in Georgia of Ahmaud Abery which many are attempting to portray as having occurred as a result of an alleged trespass a few minutes earlier.

 

[Missourian]

Because only residents are authorized you have gate codes. If you gave them to everyone...what the **** good are they.

Deliveries at gated HOAs are scheduled...the deliveries trucks are buzzed in or escorted. The mailman, the fedex guy and UPS might get codes... regulars. Not just anyone. That Is the purpose of having codes.

Please think before you speak.

I don't think "everyone" was given these codes. I don't know why you do except to make your really
weak case seem somewhat strong. You certainly haven't shown that to be the case.

But you have a habit of making unproven claims like this. For instance when you
claimed the home owner was not "authorized" to give these furniture guys a gate code.

Please think before you make unsubstantiated claims.

As your critical thinking skills are sub-par and logical reasoning is lost on you...I took the time to research typical gated HOA rules...

"Security will admit the delivery vehicle and advise the roving patrol of the vehicle’s presence and destination. Failure to advise Security of impending delivery will result in refusal to allow vendor to enter."

"It shall be the responsibility of the host property owner to identify and admit guests. Host property owners must be present and shall be accountable for the conduct of their guests. Providing your gate card to a guest for his/her use when you are not with the guest or within the gated Bay Tree area is not permitted."
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"No association is going to provide a gate code to non-residents, as doing so truly negates any security for the homeowners."

Communities don’t pass out gate codes

Nevada Revised Statute 116.2111 subsection 2a states that an association may not unreasonably restrict, prohibit or otherwise impede the lawful rights of a unit’s owner to have reasonable acc...

www.reviewjournal.com

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Is Lake Pointe where this incident occurred?

No...it was Ashford Hills I believe...(there is one in the Houston area by the same name).

Their rules and bylaws are not published anywhere on the net that I could find them. I downloaded all the HOA rules I could find that referenced gate codes and security...this post is an amalgam of those...plus a related article.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

There are racist people in every state. And not only was this not in Tulsa, no one that rioted in Tulsa in 1921 is still around.

And some states notoriously have more racists than others and Oklahoma is one of them.
Do you think the people that massacred an entire town of black people just all vanished into thin air
or didn't leave some sort of legacy for other violent racist assholes to follow?

Ku Klux Klan | The Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture

www.okhistory.org

Oklahoma City has quite a legacy of KKK participation themselves in case you are trying to
claim that sort of thing only happens in Tulsa or once upon a time.

 

[Missourian]

You could have just said "you're right, I've never been to Oklahoma and I have no idea what I'm talking about"...that would have been easier and faster.

It would have been a lie too. Just because you have the morals of a feral cat doesn't mean I do.

You've completely lost control of your faculties. Better luck next time.

 

[Levant]

I am sure he was 'delivering' something...grand theft probably.

No racism here, folks.

What? If a black comes into your neighborhood that you don't recognize and you are not suspicious...you are an idiot.

You're entitled to be a racist and suspicious because of the color of a man's skin. You're not entitled to act on your racism and block the black man, or any other man.

In my in-town house, I have an elaborate video surveillance system - I have one in my country house, too, but this story is about in town. I live on the end of a dead-end road but the dead end is adjacent to a main road. It's not unusual at all to see people walking down the street to cross the main road there. Since I know everyone on my block of the street I know when someone doesn't live there. I never felt the urge to go talk to or detain any of them. But I watch them all - regardless of color. It's a bit pointless when you think about it. If I'm not home, if I'm sleeping, if I'm not in the living room where the security monitor is, I don't see who's walking down the street and nothing happens. When I watch them, it's almost certain nothing is going to happen. But I watch because I have been burglarized before. But I watch them all; not just the black ones.

So, show us where Stewart watches them all..