Man blocks black delivery driver in Oklahoma neighborhood

[Missourian]

BULLSHIT! LIPSTICK!

Grrrr. Did You shake your fist add you posted that?

So...why didn't he call the police? I had a guy who would move blocking me from making a turn...refused to back up...and I couldn't back up. I have it on video. I called the cops. In 15 minutes they showed up and made him back up. No big deal. The guy was a dick but I wasn't going to just sit there and I couldn't force him to move. Same deal here. So why didn't he call the police?

Intimidated? Doesn't trust cops?
I don't know. He should have!
Especially since he was blocked.

Why did the dimwit use his private car to block him?

It's a private street. Just like I can block you in my driveway if I don't know why you're there or what you're doing. I can legally stand next to your bumper and keep you from moving...and if you push me in person or with your vehicle...you are the one who has committed a crime.

Weird how the law works.

The public has access to HOA roads. So public law applies to HOA roads except for one, and only one difference. And that is parking. Just like a private business can set rules on parking as long as they post signs, violaters will be towed, no parking signs, etc.

The public doesn't have access to a gated community. It is private road...like a really long driveway.

The police can come...just like they can come to my driveway...but just like you relinquish rights...such as the right to bear arms...on private property...a private individual can stop you from leaving and question you...similar to shopkeepers privilege in those private parking lots.

Wrong. Gate or no gate, the HOA roads are connected to public ones that access them.
That's why a drunk driver can be charged with a DUI on HOA roads, grasshopper.

Sorry...but you are wrong...public roads are not permitted to be gated. They must be purchased from the city...and you can get a DWI in your driveway.

 

[Levant]

Maybe it was because he was a black racist? After all, if he had recognized the authority of the HOA Honky, and just told him the information he had to have, he would have been on his way.

Honestly, I'll have to consider what you said because if anyone knows a racist when he sees one, it would be you. You look at one every morning in the mirror.
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Ok. I considered it. Nope. Projection is different from recognition. You didn't recognize a racist, you projected your own racism.

 

[Levant]

The public doesn't have access to a gated community. It is private road...like a really long driveway.

The police can come...just like they can come to my driveway...but just like you relinquish rights...such as the right to bear arms...on private property...a private individual can stop you from leaving and question you...similar to shopkeepers privilege in those private parking lots.

You're wrong. A private individual cannot stop you from leaving unless they've arrested you. This qualifies as false arrest. Except for citizens arrest, they have zero right to stop someone. David Stewart can't arrest Miller for trespass because Miller had permission to be there.

 

[Missourian]

As your critical thinking skills are sub-par and logical reasoning is lost on you...I took the time to research typical gated HOA rules...

Speaking of sub par thinking and logical reasoning skills, from the man who claimed Oklahoma is not home
to racists, you have provided some documentation from one single HOA and pretend, or are stupid enough
to think, this extends to all HOAs throughout the nation.

I'm telling you from personal experience that as a driver I was given codes to private home
owners complexes that got me in such gated communities and it's stupid as hell to think someone was always there to watch me go in and back out of these places. They weren't. You're a fool.

It was from three different HOAs and an article from the a Los Vegas paper.

Do you expect me to research every HOA bylaw in the county?

Now find one that says it is ok to hand out gate codes to non residents.

I'll wait.

 

[Levant]

I'm not here to make friends so I have no problem in telling it like it is. The bottom line is that anyone who is not outraged by this is a racist. There's no in between. There's no middle road or open minded to the possibilities of other motivations for Stewart's behavior. This is as binary as it gets: outraged? Or racist?

 

[Missourian]

If I was that man driving that truck, I would sue those men who blocked their truck. They had absolutely no authority to do what they did.

Mr. Miller definitely needs to sue and get him one of those nice houses in the gated white neighborhood. And I know which house he should own... No. Not David Stewart's; that's too easy. He needs to sue Stewart and the homeowners association for the money to buy the house right next door to Stewart. Maybe after a decade or two living next to a black family, Mr. Stewart will get over his prejudices.

I live in Oklahoma, though not Oklahoma City. My house has been burglarized once; my cars twice. I also have video of two people trying to break in my house but I scared them off and two others trying to break into my cars but I ran them off. That's a total of 7 actual or attempted break-ins. In every case, the perpetrator was white. Never brown, never black; always white.

Please tell Eric Arthur Blair that OKC and surrounding suburbs is no more or less racist than NYC or LA.

 

[Missourian]

I'm not here to make friends so I have no problem in telling it like it is. The bottom line is that anyone who is not outraged by this is a racist. There's no in between. There's no middle road or open minded to the possibilities of other motivations for Stewart's behavior. This is as binary as it gets: outraged? Or racist?

You are wrong.

You can question a black person without it being racist.

 

[Levant]

Now find one that says it is ok to hand out gate codes to non residents.

I'll wait.

That Miller had the gate code is irrelevant. Stewart doesn't know if the customer had met Miller at the gate and let him in. People in gated communities have visitors all the time and Stewart doesn't have the authority or right to question them all and, in fact, he doesn't block them all in and call the police or the police would have known him for a long time and, probably, have jailed him long ago.

All those other visitors that Stewart didn't block and hold against their will for 30 minutes but this visitor he did block. I wonder if Stewart, himself, ever had an appliance delivered in the neighborhood. I hope that Miller's lawyers get the delivery records from all local and regional appliance stores into that neighborhood and find out how many white delivery drivers Stewart didn't stop.

 

[Levant]

I'm not here to make friends so I have no problem in telling it like it is. The bottom line is that anyone who is not outraged by this is a racist. There's no in between. There's no middle road or open minded to the possibilities of other motivations for Stewart's behavior. This is as binary as it gets: outraged? Or racist?

You are wrong.

You can question a black person without it being racist.

I'm not wrong. Police records will show, I'll bet you a paycheck, that Stewart never called the police while blocking a white delivery driver wearing a company uniform with his name and driving a marked delivery truck.

And I am not wrong: you're a racist.

 

[Missourian]

Now find one that says it is ok to hand out gate codes to non residents.

I'll wait.

That Miller had the gate code is irrelevant. Stewart doesn't know if the customer had met Miller at the gate and let him in. People in gated communities have visitors all the time and Stewart doesn't have the authority or right to question them all and, in fact, he doesn't block them all in and call the police or the police would have known him for a long time and, probably, have jailed him long ago.

All those other visitors that Stewart didn't block and hold against their will for 30 minutes but this visitor he did block. I wonder if Stewart, himself, ever had an appliance delivered in the neighborhood. I hope that Miller's lawyers get the delivery records from all local and regional appliance stores into that neighborhood and find out how many white delivery drivers Stewart didn't stop.

If he never stopped anyone but black people that would be racist...but we don't know that. They could stop any delivery vehicle that used a gate code. And the police wouldn't know because all they asked was who provided them the code (just like they asked this guy) and they told who it was.

You are jumping to conclusions with no evidence.

If this guy was white and they stopped him...would you be outraged?

If not...you are the racist.

 

[Levant]

Please tell Eric Arthur Blair that OKC and surrounding suburbs is no more or less racist than NYC or LA.

You can't prove that. It's not an absolute balance across the population or areas. I don't know how many racists there are in OKC or NYC. We could do a poll but I don't think we'd get an honest answer. In your town, would we get a response from you to include you in the racist column? Would a poll of Norman's town get a response from Norman to show that he's a racist? No; you'll both deny it. It's not possible to get an accurate count.

What we know is that you, Norman, and David Stewart are racists. Most others, we just don't have enough information to know.

And, honestly, I don't care if they're racist and I don't know it - until they act or speak based on their racism.

 

[Missourian]

Please tell Eric Arthur Blair that OKC and surrounding suburbs is no more or less racist than NYC or LA.

You can't prove that. It's not an absolute balance across the population or areas. I don't know how many racists there are in OKC or NYC. We could do a poll but I don't think we'd get an honest answer. In your town, would we get a response from you to include you in the racist column? Would a poll of Norman's town get a response from Norman to show that he's a racist? No; you'll both deny it. It's not possible to get an accurate count.

What we know is that you, Norman, and David Stewart are racists. Most others, we just don't have enough information to know.

And, honestly, I don't care if they're racist and I don't know it - until they act or speak based on their racism.

Says the racist.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Please tell @Eric Arthur Blair that OKC and surrounding suburbs is no more or less racist than NYC or LA.

Are you defining the state of Oklahoma now as consisting of Oklahoma City and suburbs?
Interesting tactic.

 

[Missourian]

Please tell @Eric Arthur Blair that OKC and surrounding suburbs is no more or less racist than NYC or LA.

Are you defining the state of Oklahoma now as consisting of Oklahoma City and suburbs?
Interesting tactic.

Edmond IS a suburb of OKC!

I know that because I've been there, idiot.

That is EXACTLY why I said you didn't have a clue what you were talking about...which you don't.

 

[Levant]

If this guy was white and they stopped him...would you be outraged?

If not...you are the racist.

Of course I wouldn't be outraged if Stewart stopped a white guy. The police records will show if he ever did. Why would I be outraged that Stewart is NOT a racist? The outrage is that he IS a racist.

This is not a question of proving a negative. If he's not racist then HOA and/or police records will show that he has stopped any and every person he has seen in the neighborhood that didn't live there, regardless of race. Get the records and show that he has stopped anyone not black, held them for 30+ minutes, and called the police. Here's the non-emergency number for the OKC PD: (405) 297-1160. Prove Stewart's not a racist.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

And he didn't have the right to enter the community without authorization.

It's not obvious to you that he had authorization to be there if he had just made a delivery?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

You are wrong.

You can question a black person without it being racist.

Not for an hour at a time holding two people hostage and for no other discernible reason than the two
occupants in the truck are black.

How does someone get through the security gate without authorization? Would a white driver face the same
scrutiny? It wouldn't take much to subpoena white delivery drivers there and ask them if they were held
prisoner after a delivery.

 

[Missourian]

If this guy was white and they stopped him...would you be outraged?

If not...you are the racist.

Of course I wouldn't be outraged if Stewart stopped a white guy. The police records will show if he ever did. Why would I be outraged that Stewart is NOT a racist? The outrage is that he IS a racist.

This is not a question of proving a negative. If he's not racist then HOA and/or police records will show that he has stopped any and every person he has seen in the neighborhood that didn't live there, regardless of race. Get the records and show that he has stopped anyone not black, held them for 30+ minutes, and called the police. Here's the non-emergency number for the OKC PD: (405) 297-1160. Prove Stewart's not a racist.

And you have no idea whether he did or didn't. You just label people as racist because all you judge them by is race. That makes you the racist.

Did you assume that I am white? Racist.

 

[Missourian]

You are wrong.

You can question a black person without it being racist.

Not for an hour at a time holding two people hostage and for no other discernible reason than the two
occupants in the truck are black.

For the 10 th time...people who are held hostage CALL THE POLICE! idiot.

 

[Missourian]

And he didn't have the right to enter the community without authorization.

It's not obvious to you that he had authorization to be there if he had just made a delivery?

Gate codes are for residents. Deliveries go through security.