Making Sense of the Zimmerman Verdict

[Jackson]

The best sense you can make of the Zimmerman verdict is to take the lesson away that you should not walk while being black in America. It could cause someone to stalk you and kill you and for that to be called self-defense.

Saudi Arabia....coming to a Florida near you.

That's ridiculous and you know it. Let me guess - you're white. It's so refreshing to find so may "whites" that will jump in and defend something that they have no clue about.

Dang - that "White Guilt" is a killer........


Still waiting for the outrage about all the black on black crime that kills hundreds each year................and waiting..........and waiting.........and waiting.......

Where's Sharpton and Jackson's outrage? Why aren't they there helping the good families get out of the war zone? Why aren't the churches taking charge in the communities and demanding a stop? Where are the community leaders? Where is the mayor? Talk about hypocrites!

 

[squeeze berry]

I still say that Zimmerman could have stayed in his truck and the life of TM could have been spared. Is there anyone out there who wanted an acquittal agree with me on that one small point?

I also understand, that if someone is being beat you up, defending yourself is a natural progression of the altercation, even shooting the person who is beating you.

Can you agree with the other side on the on the points of argument?

I agree a little bit. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. But both people were at fault here. They both deserve blame for what happened. Except now one of them gets to walk free and one of them is dead.

Justice took a blow with that verdict.

disagree that Zimmerman will walk free

he is hated by many and there have been threats and bounties put on his head.
Possible additional charges and civil suit.

Holder and Obama will not rest until he is in prison or lynched.

 

[Jackson]

I still say that Zimmerman could have stayed in his truck and the life of TM could have been spared. Is there anyone out there who wanted an acquittal agree with me on that one small point?

I also understand, that if someone is being beat you up, defending yourself is a natural progression of the altercation, even shooting the person who is beating you.

Can you agree with the other side on the on the points of argument?

I agree a little bit. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. But both people were at fault here. They both deserve blame for what happened. Except now one of them gets to walk free and one of them is dead.

Justice took a blow with that verdict.

disagree that Zimmerman will walk free

he is hated by many and there have been threats and bounties put on his head.
Possible additional charges and civil suit.

Holder and Obama will not rest until he is in prison or lynched.

I don't think Holder will be successful in getting charges against Zimmerman. The FBI has come out and said there was no bias, of course, that shouldn't stop Eric, the law doesn't even stop him.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We need to start by accusing, trying and punishing people equally.

 

[FA_Q2]

I still say that Zimmerman could have stayed in his truck and the life of TM could have been spared. Is there anyone out there who wanted an acquittal agree with me on that one small point?

I also understand, that if someone is being beat you up, defending yourself is a natural progression of the altercation, even shooting the person who is beating you.

Can you agree with the other side on the on the points of argument?

I agree a little bit. Everyone has the right to defend themselves. But both people were at fault here. They both deserve blame for what happened. Except now one of them gets to walk free and one of them is dead.

Justice took a blow with that verdict.

disagree that Zimmerman will walk free

he is hated by many and there have been threats and bounties put on his head.
Possible additional charges and civil suit.

Holder and Obama will not rest until he is in prison or lynched.

He will walk but he is going to pay. He is not going to be able to live as he would like and certainly not where he was. I would bet that he is forced to some small country town where they really have not heard of him. Essentially, his world as he knew it is over and he needs to make a new start.

Holder is not going to do a damn thing though. There is no real opening for other charges. He had his day in court and that is really the end of that story.

 

[nodoginnafight]

A lot of people are assuming facts that were not in evidence. And recognizing this Clean Debate Zone does not preclude pointing out that many here are making up "evidence" that was not established in the courtroom.

Zimmerman was not determined or established conclusively as innocent. Half of the jurors entered into deliberations leaning toward convicting Zimmerman - 2 for manslaughter, 1 for second degree murder.

This was a very close call with the jury ultimately deciding that there was just not enough evidence to convict. None of us were there that night - none of know exactly how this went down. Even the jurors who heard 100% of the evidence presented were torn.

In the end, this is just one case, with a very specific set of circumstances and very few "facts" that could be determined with any degree of certainty. IMHO this doesn't "mean" anything or set any sort of standards for other cases. Trying to read too much into this case and this verdict is (imho) pure fantasy.

 

[midcan5]

"I don’t know if the jury, which included no African Americans, consciously or unconsciously bought into this racist way of thinking — there’s really no other word. But it hardly matters, because police and prosecutors initially did.

The assumption underlying their ho-hum approach to the case was that Zimmerman had the right to self-defense but Martin — young, male, black — did not. The assumption was that Zimmerman would fear for his life in a hand-to-hand struggle but Martin — young, male, black — would not.

If anyone wonders why African Americans feel so passionately about this case, it’s because we know that our 17-year-old sons are boys, not men. It’s because we know their adolescent bravura is just that — an imitation of manhood, not the real thing.

We know how frightened our sons would be, walking home alone on a rainy night and realizing they were being followed. We know how torn they would be between a child’s fear and a child’s immature idea of manly behavior. We know how they would struggle to decide the right course of action, flight or fight."

Eugene Robinson: Trayvon Martin never had a chance - The Washington Post

 

[Oddball]

Race card....You lose.

 

[SayMyName]

We live in a land that is ruled by laws. We have faith in the 12 in the box to do the job most of do not want to, or we don't, and thus incite the mob and anarchy. By the way, why wasn't he in school that day?

 

[squeeze berry]

We live in a land that is ruled by laws. We have faith in the 12 in the box to do the job most of do not want to, or we don't, and thus incite the mob and anarchy. By the way, why wasn't he in school that day?

he was casing his next burglary

 

[tipofthespear]

This was a political show trial that backfired. The media worked up a case based on political pressure and couldn't make it stick. Right now, liberals are convinced that the jury heard evidence and testimony that the jury never heard. It was evidence imagined and promoted by the media.

The jury never heard that Zimmerman had stalked Martin.
The jury never heard that Zimmerman had a long history of racism.
The jury never heard that Zimmerman said the word "coons".
The jury never heard that Martin was a slightly built 12 year old.

The trial conducted in the media was an entirely different trial than the one conducted in the courtroom.

The Jury never heard some of this, because there is no truth to it......

Martin was 17, not 12, he was about 5'10" and 160 to 170 pounds, he was athletic......there is absolutely ZERO evidence to date that Zimmerman is racist...........however IF people insist in labeling him a racist, they must do the same with Martin, for we have evidence of his racist beliefs/words............when he called Zimmerman a "weird ass cracker"..........

Zimmerman didn't "STALK" Martin...........follow? yes, and lost him.......IT WAS MARTIN who confronted Zimmerman AFTER Zimmerman lost him........Never heard the "coons" part.......but even that doesn't matter..........

 

[Katzndogz]

This was a political show trial that backfired. The media worked up a case based on political pressure and couldn't make it stick. Right now, liberals are convinced that the jury heard evidence and testimony that the jury never heard. It was evidence imagined and promoted by the media.

The jury never heard that Zimmerman had stalked Martin.
The jury never heard that Zimmerman had a long history of racism.
The jury never heard that Zimmerman said the word "coons".
The jury never heard that Martin was a slightly built 12 year old.

The trial conducted in the media was an entirely different trial than the one conducted in the courtroom.

The Jury never heard some of this, because there is no truth to it......

Martin was 17, not 12, he was about 5'10" and 160 to 170 pounds, he was athletic......there is absolutely ZERO evidence to date that Zimmerman is racist...........however IF people insist in labeling him a racist, they must do the same with Martin, for we have evidence of his racist beliefs/words............when he called Zimmerman a "weird ass cracker"..........

Zimmerman didn't "STALK" Martin...........follow? yes, and lost him.......IT WAS MARTIN who confronted Zimmerman AFTER Zimmerman lost him........Never heard the "coons" part.......but even that doesn't matter..........

Martin was actually 5'11" to six foot, depending. He was at least 4 inches taller than Zimmerman. Some child!

The armchair jurists made up their own case, that had nothing to do with the case in the courtroom and are how shocked at an unexpected verdict.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

What's the question? Is it really all that difficult to make "sense" out of the eminently sensible?

 

[Survivalist]

Justice is being able to defend yourself. A most basic civil right.

If a person larger than you attacks you, beaks your nose, and starts slamming your skull against the pavement, you have every right to use deadly force to stop that.

Our own military allows 17 year-old "children" to fight in our wars. A strappin' young MAN, yes he was a young MAN who is 6 feet tall would pose a threat to almost anyone they would get into a fight with.

Opponents of Stand Your Ground are usually of the Marxist view that as property of the state, you have no right to protect anything of yours, because it all belongs to the state, and you may not harm cherished parts of the state (like Trayvon).

Now all Marxist elites are also hypocrites. If you are very wealthy, connected, or a top player in the system, you have more rights than others. If you are big political boss like Mayor Bloomberg, or Glorious Leader Obama, you can enjoy the protection from a small army of police or SS guards. Even if an unarmed child like Trayvon were to pounce on such important people as these, the unarmed child would certainly be filled full of holes from the latest and greatest assault-type weapons available.

Now if any you are older, frail or disabled---or even if you know someone you love who is, you must understand that if they are not weathly or connected, they must be expected to be beaten to the mercy of whoever attacks them. They are too worthless to be granted the right to have the proper defense of a handgun and be able to stand their ground (not being able to run away). Socialism/Communism expects such sacrifice.

 

[katsung47]

The ridiculous Trayvon Martin case

It’s a failure of US judicial system. It failed to help the weak side people.

When it says Zimmerman is not guilty to kill Trayvon Martin, then what Trayvon was? He became an attacker – a threat to other’s life. That’s how a court to turn an innocent man to be a potential life threatener. An unarmed teen on his way to his relative’s house. He now was believed to be a threaten to other’s life. The other one, though proved having original bad will against Trayvon and finally killed him, became victim.

It indicates that any law abiding citizens should be obedient to unreasonable search (followed, monitored, provoked&#8230. Or he would be killed, if the provoker announced that his life has been threatened.

This case also would encourage people to use guns in argument because dead people losing their voice in the case.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The ridiculous Trayvon Martin case

It’s a failure of US judicial system. It failed to help the weak side people.

When it says Zimmerman is not guilty to kill Trayvon Martin, then what Trayvon was? He became an attacker – a threat to other’s life. That’s how a court to turn an innocent man to be a potential life threatener. An unarmed teen on his way to his relative’s house. He now was believed to be a threaten to other’s life. The other one, though proved having original bad will against Trayvon and finally killed him, became victim.

It indicates that any law abiding citizens should be obedient to unreasonable search (followed, monitored, provoked…). Or he would be killed, if the provoker announced that his life has been threatened.

This case also would encourage people to use guns in argument because dead people losing their voice in the case.

I gather English is not your native tongue.

The unarmed teen who wasn't a threat?

He (Trayvon) broke Zimmerman's nose in a physical altercation that he, not Zimmerman, initiated. then, with his victim down on the ground, the innocent teen got on top of the guy and pummeled him and knocked the victim's head repeatedly on to the pavement.

Zimmerman was thus properly permitted to defend himself from the threat to his life or at least to the prospect of likely getting seriously injured.

What it says is: kids, don't do what Trayvon did.

 

[Jackson]

The ridiculous Trayvon Martin case

It’s a failure of US judicial system. It failed to help the weak side people.

When it says Zimmerman is not guilty to kill Trayvon Martin, then what Trayvon was? He became an attacker – a threat to other’s life. That’s how a court to turn an innocent man to be a potential life threatener. An unarmed teen on his way to his relative’s house. He now was believed to be a threaten to other’s life. The other one, though proved having original bad will against Trayvon and finally killed him, became victim.

It indicates that any law abiding citizens should be obedient to unreasonable search (followed, monitored, provoked…). Or he would be killed, if the provoker announced that his life has been threatened.

This case also would encourage people to use guns in argument because dead people losing their voice in the case.

It’s a failure of US judicial system. It failed to help the weak side people.
Trayvon was not weak. He was a well built young man.


When it says Zimmerman is not guilty to kill Trayvon Martin, then what Trayvon was? He became an attacker – a threat to other’s life. That’s how a court to turn an innocent man to be a potential life threatener. An unarmed teen on his way to his relative’s house. He now was believed to be a threaten to other’s life.
In this scenario, Trayvon was not innocent. He attacked Zimmerman.

The other one, though proved having original bad will against Trayvon and finally killed him, became victim.
Zimmerman had a bad will against young men whohad burglarized the homes in the neighborhood. Not Trayvon.

It indicates that any law abiding citizens should be obedient to unreasonable search (followed, monitored, provoked…). Or he would be killed, if the provoker announced that his life has been threatened. Trayvon was followed and was monitored but he was not provoked. Zimmerman was provoked by the attack by Travvon. At first I thought he was guilty, too. But after all of the evidence was explained, I see that he was not guilty.

This case also would encourage people to use guns in argument because dead people losing their voice in the case

 

[Avatar4321]

I dont know that there is anything to make sense of with the verdict. The Prosecution had no chance of meeting it's burden. The Jury made the only decision that they could honestly make.

It's the aftermath that we need to make sense of. It's clear that there is alot of racial tension bubbling beneath the surface ready to get it. We need to find a way to seek forgiveness and reconciliation to heal these tensions and grow stronger as a nation.

 

[Jackson]

I dont know that there is anything to make sense of with the verdict. The Prosecution had no chance of meeting it's burden. The Jury made the only decision that they could honestly make.

It's the aftermath that we need to make sense of. It's clear that there is alot of racial tension bubbling beneath the surface ready to get it. We need to find a way to seek forgiveness and reconciliation to heal these tensions and grow stronger as a nation.

Nicely said.

 

[Avatar4321]

I dont know that there is anything to make sense of with the verdict. The Prosecution had no chance of meeting it's burden. The Jury made the only decision that they could honestly make.

It's the aftermath that we need to make sense of. It's clear that there is alot of racial tension bubbling beneath the surface ready to get it. We need to find a way to seek forgiveness and reconciliation to heal these tensions and grow stronger as a nation.

Nicely said.

Thank you. But I find it's much easier to say it than to actually fix the problem.