Major Newspaper Dumps George Will over rape claim

[Luddly Neddite]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”

Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:

The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.

Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

 

[martybegan]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”

Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:

The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.

Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

Two college students getting drunk and having sex is not rape, its not even assault.

Real rape should be handled by real policemen and real courts, not some university created group that places all the virtue on the woman, and all the blame and responsibility on the man.

 

[Sallow]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”

Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:

The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.

Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

Two college students getting drunk and having sex is not rape, its not even assault.

Real rape should be handled by real policemen and real courts, not some university created group that places all the virtue on the woman, and all the blame and responsibility on the man.

At any point when a woman says "No"..it really means "No".

Anything that happens AFTER that point?

Is rape.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I like George Will as a writer, a lot.

However, I, if an editor, would dump him from paper.

Maureen Dowd would still not be allowed to her column in a paper of mine for plagiarism.

 

[martybegan]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress



Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

Two college students getting drunk and having sex is not rape, its not even assault.

Real rape should be handled by real policemen and real courts, not some university created group that places all the virtue on the woman, and all the blame and responsibility on the man.

At any point when a woman says "No"..it really means "No".

Anything that happens AFTER that point?

Is rape.

And to make it stick as rape you need to convict them in court.

How do you tell the difference between someone who was told no and continued, and some woman who says she said "no" after regretting what happened the next morning?

So we lump together rapist rapists, the ones who use force or drugs, and some guy who started sex with a consenting woman and may not have gotten the concept that she wanted to stop mid coitus? Or as I said above completed the act while both parties were hammered, and then the woman decided she regretted it the next morning?

 

[edthecynic]

Will the Shill needs the good raping he covets!

 

[Stephanie]

It's sad how frikken EASILY you all celebrate someone losing their jobs over something they write about

He should of said, he'd like to piss and shit in Sarah Palin's mouth and he would of been AOK

we should cancel thinkprogress folks, SHUN that site and don't pay their bills for this crap

 

[whitehall]

Sooner or later the Washington Post finds a reason to get rid of all conservative writers.

 

[blastoff]

Only a matter of time until JoeB shows up to let us know that's the end of George Will. Even if he has to make it up.

 

[Katzndogz]

Liberals are allergic to the truth. Being a rape victim is a coveted status. That's why women lie about it so much.

 

[AquaAthena]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”

Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:

The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.

Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

Yeah, Dems would never defend rape or rapists.

 

[Disir]

Two college students getting drunk and having sex is not rape, its not even assault.

Real rape should be handled by real policemen and real courts, not some university created group that places all the virtue on the woman, and all the blame and responsibility on the man.

At any point when a woman says "No"..it really means "No".

Anything that happens AFTER that point?

Is rape.

And to make it stick as rape you need to convict them in court.

How do you tell the difference between someone who was told no and continued, and some woman who says she said "no" after regretting what happened the next morning?

So we lump together rapist rapists, the ones who use force or drugs, and some guy who started sex with a consenting woman and may not have gotten the concept that she wanted to stop mid coitus? Or as I said above completed the act while both parties were hammered, and then the woman decided she regretted it the next morning?

I'll do it. I'm a woman.

You have a valid point. This is not the first time that campus rape became an issue. This is the second time around the block.

Yes, it needs to be investigated by the authorities and they need to be convicted in a court of law. I agree with this. Due process. There are cases of girls that make false allegations. There are cases of girls that wake up and feel guilty. There are also cases of girls that wake up and are trying to figure out if it was sexual assault or if they were willing participants.

Are there Frat boys or members of the upper crust that think that women exist for their own immediate gratification? Yep. Skip the campus and go the police. The worst thing that can happen is that they say, it isn't that it didn't happen or was not real there just isn't enough evidence to file charges.

The statistics that were used are not in any way valid. We wouldn't use those types of statistics without a yes, but.......

In fact, even when we utilize date from the NCVS we know that it is off due to the possibility of over reporting and under reporting and that isn't even an anonymous online survey with any rewards.

Now, at any time during or before, she says no then that's it. Hands off. The Swarthmore case constitutes rape. It's not relevant that they had been hooking up for 3 months before.

This is where George Will ran into problems:
“a coveted status that confers privileges.”

"And academia’s progressivism has rendered it intellectually defenseless now that progressivism’s achievement, the regulatory state, has decided it is academia’s turn to be broken to government’s saddle."

It's the most lame shit that I have ever read. Frankly, it is these types of phrases that he uses in his columns that destroy his credibility.

Now, if he said or you said.............it was invited because of what she was wearing or she was at a bar (at all) or at a party (at all) then I would raise all kinds of hell. There are men that really think that mere presence gives them free license. They really do exist both on and off campus.

We need to start having really frank discussions of sex, relationships, and hook ups. By we I mean society as a whole.

 

[martybegan]

At any point when a woman says "No"..it really means "No".

Anything that happens AFTER that point?

Is rape.

And to make it stick as rape you need to convict them in court.

How do you tell the difference between someone who was told no and continued, and some woman who says she said "no" after regretting what happened the next morning?

So we lump together rapist rapists, the ones who use force or drugs, and some guy who started sex with a consenting woman and may not have gotten the concept that she wanted to stop mid coitus? Or as I said above completed the act while both parties were hammered, and then the woman decided she regretted it the next morning?

I'll do it. I'm a woman.

You have a valid point. This is not the first time that campus rape became an issue. This is the second time around the block.

Yes, it needs to be investigated by the authorities and they need to be convicted in a court of law. I agree with this. Due process. There are cases of girls that make false allegations. There are cases of girls that wake up and feel guilty. There are also cases of girls that wake up and are trying to figure out if it was sexual assault or if they were willing participants.

Are there Frat boys or members of the upper crust that think that women exist for their own immediate gratification? Yep. Skip the campus and go the police. The worst thing that can happen is that they say, it isn't that it didn't happen or was not real there just isn't enough evidence to file charges.

The statistics that were used are not in any way valid. We wouldn't use those types of statistics without a yes, but.......

In fact, even when we utilize date from the NCVS we know that it is off due to the possibility of over reporting and under reporting and that isn't even an anonymous online survey with any rewards.

Now, at any time during or before, she says no then that's it. Hands off. The Swarthmore case constitutes rape. It's not relevant that they had been hooking up for 3 months before.

This is where George Will ran into problems:
“a coveted status that confers privileges.”

"And academia’s progressivism has rendered it intellectually defenseless now that progressivism’s achievement, the regulatory state, has decided it is academia’s turn to be broken to government’s saddle."

It's the most lame shit that I have ever read. Frankly, it is these types of phrases that he uses in his columns that destroy his credibility.

Now, if he said or you said.............it was invited because of what she was wearing or she was at a bar (at all) or at a party (at all) then I would raise all kinds of hell. There are men that really think that mere presence gives them free license. They really do exist both on and off campus.

We need to start having really frank discussions of sex, relationships, and hook ups. By we I mean society as a whole.

In the Swathmore case, as I have read it, it was no, then yes, then no, then a awkward end to the encounter. Do we really want to criminalize something as vague as this? This is not a case of her saying No! and then making an attempt to get him off her (based on the info provided). its the continuation of a back and forth on and off complicated relationship.

As for the concept of "inviting it" then no, actions such as drinking, or dressing a certain way do not "ask" for anything. What they do is increase your risk when you run across some cretin who SEES it as an invitation. That in no way mitigates the punishment said cretin will get when prosecuted and convicted, but women have to be told that by doing certain things you are increasing your risk of being attacked. There are rapists out there, and THEY use the justifications you list in the addled minds that what they are doing is OK.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”

Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:

The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.

Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

except they didn't dump him over the rape c;aim, they dumped over the fact that he used facts provided by the government to prove that the narrative is a lie. None of the facts he provided were inaccurate, and would only be found offensive to people who think that victims need to be wrapped in bubble wrap for the rest of their lives to protect them from reality. The facts contradict every single claim the that rape culture is dominating college campuses.

Tough fucking shit.

 

[jillian]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”

Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:

The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.

Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

the right liked the days when, for a man to be charged with domestic violence, he had to cause his victim to have three stitiches or more.

ah... for the good old days when women were raped and men pointed at the clothes they were wearing and said they were "asking for it".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress



Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

Two college students getting drunk and having sex is not rape, its not even assault.

Real rape should be handled by real policemen and real courts, not some university created group that places all the virtue on the woman, and all the blame and responsibility on the man.

At any point when a woman says "No"..it really means "No".

Anything that happens AFTER that point?

Is rape.

Then take it to the police, not to a kangaroo court where all it takes is a preponderance of the evidence to totally ruin the life of a young man who gets no opportunity to present a defense.

Unless, of course, you don't actually believe in innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I like George Will as a writer, a lot.

However, I, if an editor, would dump him from paper.

Maureen Dowd would still not be allowed to her column in a paper of mine for plagiarism.

In other words, as an editor, you would dump anyone who is smarter than you are.

 

[jillian]

Two college students getting drunk and having sex is not rape, its not even assault.

Real rape should be handled by real policemen and real courts, not some university created group that places all the virtue on the woman, and all the blame and responsibility on the man.

At any point when a woman says "No"..it really means "No".

Anything that happens AFTER that point?

Is rape.

Then take it to the police, not to a kangaroo court where all it takes is a preponderance of the evidence to totally ruin the life of a young man who gets no opportunity to present a defense.

Unless, of course, you don't actually believe in innocent until proven guilty.

how does he have "no chance to present a defense"?

 

[jillian]

Major Newspaper Dumps George Will, Apologizes For 'Offensive' Rape Column | ThinkProgress

Early this month, Washington Post columnist George Will wrote a column claiming that being a rape victim is now a “coveted status” that college women seek out. Will argued that complaints of rape and sexual assualt on college campus were overblown. He also suggested that women claiming to be raped were “delusional.”

Will’s column is syndicated in newspapers across the country by the Washington Post, which bills him as “the most influential writer in America.” The St. Louis Post-Dispatch, which has published Will’s column for a number of years, has had enough. In a message today to readers, the paper announced they were dropping Will from their paper and apologized for running his column on sexual assault:

The change has been under consideration for several months, but a column published June 5, in which Mr. Will suggested that sexual assault victims on college campuses enjoy a privileged status, made the decision easier. The column was offensive and inaccurate; we apologize for publishing it.

Doesn't matter. The right will go right on lying about rape, rapists and the victims of rape. We see the willful ignorance from the right here every day.

Two college students getting drunk and having sex is not rape, its not even assault.

Real rape should be handled by real policemen and real courts, not some university created group that places all the virtue on the woman, and all the blame and responsibility on the man.

if a woman can't consent, it's rape.

if she says no... it's rape.... even if she got naked first.

 

[Camp]

It's sad how frikken EASILY you all celebrate someone losing their jobs over something they write about

He should of said, he'd like to piss and shit in Sarah Palin's mouth and he would of been AOK

we should cancel thinkprogress folks, SHUN that site and don't pay their bills for this crap

The guy that said that got fired didn't he?