Maher drops a reality bomb on Zohram Mamdani voters

[Invisibleflash]

This. All of it.

It's already a fat mess. Mamdani is backing away from almost all of his promises. Good luck, NYC

Dunno, but a YT channel said as much. They said Mamdami is going corporate. Time will tell. Generally, politicians are all lying pos.

Zelensky ran on peace with Russia.
Trump ran as the peace president.
So...

 

[JoeB131]

Sounds like your dad was a rigid person who found it hard to adapt to a changing world. I do agree with him about Eisenhower. He WAS the best president in my lifetime.

Or maybe he just thought Reagan was kind of a phony.

Which he was. As opposed to 18-year-old me, who thought he was the bomb. Now I know better.

My dad also supported Nixon, and thought Nixon didn't do anything the rest of them didn't do, he just got caught.

On the other hand, he wasn't so rigid that he voted the party line no matter what. In Chicago, even if you were a Republican, you voted Democratic Machine for local elections. So every election, the precinct captain would come along and tell my dad who they were supporting in the primaries.

Now Papa B131 was definitely a product of his time. He regularly used words we aren't allowed to use on USMB. He had all the biases a person who grew up in that "Greatest Generation" had.

 

[SweetTea]

He is wrong, Japan has a higher GDP per capita...

Like I said Japan's is 20-25% higher per capita.

According to your own chart, Poland's GDP went from 65 billion to 255 billion in 14 years. That is a 293% increase. In the next 16 years, from 2004 to 2020 GDP increased from 255 billion to 688 billion. That is a 169% increase. Not sure what you are talking about, but clearly Capitalism was the stimulus for their economy. You are trying to argue that their move from Capitalism to a Social Democracy was good for them, but in fact, the numbers show otherwise.

 

[JoeB131]

Japan's GDP per capita is only about 20 to 25% more than Poland's, not four times as you attempt to imply. Also, Poland has been capitalistic for about 35 years. Japan has been capitalistic for what 150 years? Even if you start after World War II, it's been 75 years.

You're in a losing battle if you're arguing that Socialism is more advantageous than Capitalism.

Um, if Poland was all that, we wouldn't be knee-deep in Poles here in Chicago trying to move in.

Poland has nowhere near the standard of living Japan has.

 

[SweetTea]

Um, if Poland was all that, we wouldn't be knee-deep in Poles here in Chicago trying to move in.

Poland has nowhere near the standard of living Japan has.

Like I said, the GDP per capita is 20- 25% higher in Japan so that stands to reason. It doesn’t really matter though as both are Capitalistic societies with higher GDP’s per capita than any Socialist country in the world. That is kind of the point. Poland’s GDP per capita shot up when they adopted Capitalism.

China, which you brought up earlier, has a per capita GDP far below top Capitalist countries, like the US. They are still a bit of a mixed economy, but they lean heaving towards Socialism, which is exactly why their GDP per capita isn’t much higer.

I find it hard to believe that we are actually arguing that Socialism is better for MOST people than Capitalism. It just goes to show people how ignorant, gullible and spoiled some people have become.

 

[Lisa558]

Like I said, the GDP per capita is 20- 25% higher in Japan so that stands to reason. It doesn’t really matter though as both are Capitalistic societies with higher GDP’s per capita than any Socialist country in the world. That is kind of the point. Poland’s GDP per capita shot up when they adopted Capitalism.

China, which you brought up earlier, has a per capita GDP far below top Capitalist countries, like the US. They are still a bit of a mixed economy, but they lean heaving towards Socialism, which is exactly why their GDP per capita isn’t much higer.

I find it hard to believe that we are actually arguing that Socialism is better for MOST people than Capitalism. It just goes to show people how ignorant, gullible and spoiled some people have become.

It shows the damage our leftist educational system has done by keeping our young people ignorant.

 

[JoeB131]

Like I said, the GDP per capita is 20- 25% higher in Japan so that stands to reason. It doesn’t really matter though as both are Capitalistic societies with higher GDP’s per capita than any Socialist country in the world. That is kind of the point. Poland’s GDP per capita shot up when they adopted Capitalism.

Well, first, not entirely true. Poland did not dismantle most of the Soviet era institutions.

In fact, 20% of Polish government spending is on social welfare programs.

China, which you brought up earlier, has a per capita GDP far below top Capitalist countries, like the US. They are still a bit of a mixed economy, but they lean heaving towards Socialism, which is exactly why their GDP per capita isn’t much higer.

Again, comparisons, buddy. You only like to do them when they favor your point. Compared to where China was before Mao and where it is now, they've made some crazy progress, which is why they will pass us up as the world's economic power.

I find it hard to believe that we are actually arguing that Socialism is better for MOST people than Capitalism. It just goes to show people how ignorant, gullible and spoiled some people have become.

Capitalism is a shit sandwich for 80% of the population. Even if you are doing "well", you are one serious illness away from complete bankruptcy.

Now, Capitalism USED to work when the rich paid their fair share, the workforce was unionized, and government took the side of working people over the investor class. We don't do that, thus, why we are in the shitstorm we are in now.

And Trump is making it so much worse.

It shows the damage our leftist educational system has done by keeping our young people ignorant.

Nope, they are just getting gobsmacked by the reality that the Billionaires aren't their friends.

 

[SweetTea]

In fact, 20% of Polish government spending is on social welfare programs.

They are a Capitalistic society. They are not Socialists.

Again, comparisons, buddy. You only like to do them when they favor your point. Compared to where China was before Mao and where it is now, they've made some crazy progress, which is why they will pass us up as the world's economic power.

For starters, they have a LONG way to go to surpass us.

If they did, you can be assured that the common people would not be the beneficiaries of such success. That is already the case as their GDP per capita is lower and standard of living is higher.

Capitalism is a shit sandwich for 80% of the population. Even if you are doing "well", you are one serious illness away from complete bankruptcy.

80th percentile is 120k/yr. There are plenty of people making 120k who live far better than those in most other countries. You just don't know what you are talking about. You are a spoiled American who believe people have it so bad here because that is what you have been told by the MSM. The reality is that most of those complaining don't have any idea how good they really have it compared to the rest of the world. They compare themselves to millionaires and billionaires, which is a not a reasonable comparison.

Now, Capitalism USED to work when the rich paid their fair share, the workforce was unionized, and government took the side of working people over the investor class. We don't do that, thus, why we are in the shitstorm we are in now.

Capitalism still works. It make not appear to be working in some of the large blue Democratic cities, but that is because Democratic policies have ruined them. Sucks to be you, but you could always move away from the spoiled morons that run your city.

 

[JoeB131]

For starters, they have a LONG way to go to surpass us.

Oh, I wouldn't bet on that. At the rate Trump is driving us down, they'll pass us up pretty soon.

If they did, you can be assured that the common people would not be the beneficiaries of such success. That is already the case as their GDP per capita is lower and standard of living is higher.

Except 300 million Chinese have joined what we'd consider the middle class in the last 40 years. As opposed to millions of Americans who have fallen out of the middle class.

80th percentile is 120k/yr. There are plenty of people making 120k who live far better than those in most other countries. You just don't know what you are talking about. You are a spoiled American who believe people have it so bad here because that is what you have been told by the MSM. The reality is that most of those complaining don't have any idea how good they really have it compared to the rest of the world. They compare themselves to millionaires and billionaires, which is a not a reasonable comparison.

No, I believe that because I'm old enough to remember when we had it good. When we had job security, when we weren't grateful for a mere two weeks of vacation a year,

Capitalism still works. It make not appear to be working in some of the large blue Democratic cities, but that is because Democratic policies have ruined them. Sucks to be you, but you could always move away from the spoiled morons that run your city.

It ain't working for you inbreds in Jesusland, you're just too stupid to notice.

 

[SweetTea]

Oh, I wouldn't bet on that. At the rate Trump is driving us down, they'll pass us up pretty soon.

Not even close. The average Chinese earns about 6x less than the average American. Their standard of living is also quite a bit lower as is their buying power. You are spewing nonsense.

But, one thing I will give you, if we continue to let people flood into the country and use our subsidies, yes, we will continue to slide. I know you don’t understand it, but money doesn’t grow on trees and as much as you would like to support every one on earth who just wants to seek a better life, it isn’t possible.

Except 300 million Chinese have joined what we'd consider the middle class in the last 40 years. As opposed to millions of Americans who have fallen out of the middle class.

Maybe you didn’t realize that while the middle class in the US has shrunk over the last 20 years, more people have moved into the upper class than have fallen into the lower class, especially if you take out the effects of illegal immigration(more in the lower class). What does that tell you? Many/most of the people that left the middle class moved up, not down.

No, I believe that because I'm old enough to remember when we had it good. When we had job security, when we weren't grateful for a mere two weeks of vacation a year,

2 weeks? Yeah, I surpassed that number a LONG time ago and work in a right to work state.

It ain't working for you inbreds in Jesusland, you're just too stupid to notice.

It is most certainly working for most of the people in my area.

 

[Lisa558]

They are a Capitalistic society. They are not Socialists.



For starters, they have a LONG way to go to surpass us.

If they did, you can be assured that the common people would not be the beneficiaries of such success. That is already the case as their GDP per capita is lower and standard of living is higher.



80th percentile is 120k/yr. There are plenty of people making 120k who live far better than those in most other countries. You just don't know what you are talking about. You are a spoiled American who believe people have it so bad here because that is what you have been told by the MSM. The reality is that most of those complaining don't have any idea how good they really have it compared to the rest of the world. They compare themselves to millionaires and billionaires, which is a not a reasonable comparison.



Capitalism still works. It make not appear to be working in some of the large blue Democratic cities, but that is because Democratic policies have ruined them. Sucks to be you, but you could always move away from the spoiled morons that run your city.

Forget $120k. People earning $30,000 a year live better here than most of the world! They live in subsidized apartments, get food stamps and Medicaid for their kids, and free lunches for them during the school week.

 

[SweetTea]

Forget $120k. People earning $30,000 a year live better here than most of the world! They live in subsidized apartments, get food stamps and Medicaid for their kids, and free lunches for them during the school week.

Agreed, that goes to further show just how absurd his statement was about how Capitalism is horrible for 80% of the people in the US.

 

[Lisa558]

Agreed, that goes to further show just how absurd his statement was about how Capitalism is horrible for 80% of the people in the US.

I’m not even exactly sure WHAT he said. I put him back on ignore. But I’m sure he was railing against capitalism and the evil successful people.

 

[JoeB131]

Not even close. The average Chinese earns about 6x less than the average American. Their standard of living is also quite a bit lower as is their buying power. You are spewing nonsense.

Wait, now, is your argument money or is your argument standard of living? Because your argument of why Jesusland isn't as grindingly poor as the charts show it is because costs of living are so low. So a Chinese person making 18K a year can live in just as nice a home as an American making $60,000 a year.

Maybe you didn’t realize that while the middle class in the US has shrunk over the last 20 years, more people have moved into the upper class than have fallen into the lower class, especially if you take out the effects of illegal immigration(more in the lower class). What does that tell you? Many/most of the people that left the middle class moved up, not down.

I've heard this stat, dismissed it as complete bullshit.

2 weeks? Yeah, I surpassed that number a LONG time ago and work in a right to work state.

I'm happy for you. Most people, though, are lucky to get two weeks.

The REpublican Motto: "I've Got Mine, **** You... wait, why are you voting for Socialists?"

It is most certainly working for most of the people in my area.

I'm sure your double-wide is very nice.

 

[JoeB131]

Forget $120k. People earning $30,000 a year live better here than most of the world! They live in subsidized apartments, get food stamps and Medicaid for their kids, and free lunches for them during the school week.

Sounds like socialism works just fine, then.

Agreed, that goes to further show just how absurd his statement was about how Capitalism is horrible for 80% of the people in the US.

Okay, all the things that shrill cow just mentioned are SOCIALISM.

I’m not even exactly sure WHAT he said. I put him back on ignore. But I’m sure he was railing against capitalism and the evil successful people.

Is this the 87th time you've "put me on ignore"? Yet you keep popping your head up to take the humiliation.

 

[SweetTea]

Wait, now, is your argument money or is your argument standard of living? Because your argument of why Jesusland isn't as grindingly poor as the charts show it is because costs of living are so low. So a Chinese person making 18K a year can live in just as nice a home as an American making $60,000 a year.

No dope. They don’t live as well in China. Their standard of living is lower. They have less buying power with the money they make. You still don’t get it ?

I've heard this stat, dismissed it as complete bullshit.

Just because you were left behind doesn’t mean everybody else has been. Yes, indeed, this is true.

I'm sure your double-wide is very nice.

I’m sure it is much nicer and less expensive than your shoebox in the ghetto.

Sounds like socialism works just fine, then.

Actually, it isn’t working. We have too many subsidies. It promotes laziness and entitlement. You are the one that says immigrants are necessary becuase they take the jobs that Americans don’t want to do. I can guarantee you that these jobs would be taken by Americans if the choice was to have roof over the heads and to have food on the table, but that isn’t a choice they have to make. They can get all of that for “free”. Immigrants are catching on too, so they will come here to do the same, not to work. If Democrats weren’t so naive and stupid, they would be capable of seeing this.

 

[JoeB131]

No dope. They don’t live as well in China. Their standard of living is lower. They have less buying power with the money they make. You still don’t get it ?

I watch videos of life in China all the time with Mrs. B131. It just doesn't seem that bad. I wouldn't want to live there due to the lack of freedom and because they all speak a language I don't understand.

They are rising, we are in decline. Deal with it.

Just because you were left behind doesn’t mean everybody else has been. Yes, indeed, this is true.

The thing is, it's not being left behind, it's watching the Middle Class disappear.

I compare that to what my dad had. He had a good union job, generous vacation, great medical benefits. He was able to raise five kids and buy vacation property in Wisconsin. This with just a HS Education.

Now, I do okay, but I had to get a college degree and work a second job, and get nowhere near that. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and then you scratch your big monkey head and wonder why people are voting for Socialists.

I’m sure it is much nicer and less expensive than your shoebox in the ghetto.

Probably not. I've been to the South. It's practically a third world country

Actually, it isn’t working. We have too many subsidies. It promotes laziness and entitlement. You are the one that says immigrants are necessary becuase they take the jobs that Americans don’t want to do. I can guarantee you that these jobs would be taken by Americans if the choice was to have roof over the heads and to have food on the table,

Or they'll just vote in Socialists and burn the system to the ground.

Here's the thing. This myth of able-bodied people sucking up welfare is exactly that, a myth.

New Interactive Data Tool Shows Characteristics of Those Who Receive Assistance From Government Programs

A new data tool allows users to explore thousands of social safety statistics 2013-2019 and demographic and socioeconomic characteristics of recipients.

www.census.gov

Most people who get assistance ARE working (just not jobs that pay enough) or are unable to work (Too young, too old, phsyical or mental disabilities.)

 

[Hafar1014]

Your evidence of schools teaching that? Another thing that the left considers evil is Pedophiles.

The evidence are the students who believe in socialism coming out of these schools. The democrat party moving to socialism in a big way

 

[j-mac]

Or he'll do just fine.

Here's the problem you guys have. You haven't made capitalism appealing.

The reason so many young people are voting socialist now is because they look at their parents who've worked their whole lives and have very little to show for it, making other people rich.

And the best retort you guys have is "but, but, but, North Korea!"

That’s what everyone who has ever left a job for something better, then wants to come back after a month…

 

[JoeB131]

That’s what everyone who has ever left a job for something better, then wants to come back after a month…

That has more do to with desiring the familiar than anything else.

Starting a new job is scary. You don't know who any of these people are.

Not to worry, after your boy Trump gets done trashing the economy, a lot of people are going to find themselves in new jobs. Just not as good of ones as they lost.