MAGA: A Complete Failure

[gipper]

No they don't, turd. That's a prog lie. Government controls big business. Campaign contributions are the extortion big business pays to keep from being destroyed.

Everything you "know" is wrong.

Lol. “Government controls big business”…wtf. You’re nuts. Money controls everything in this country. Even a duped con like you must know this. Big business has the money. They control government.

This isn’t hard if you have a brain.

 

[Rigby5]

Basically you are all wrong.

Workers certainly have the right to unionize but wmployers have trhe right to ban unions. Of course in the end the only solution is to fire those who try to unionize. Sometimes that works but sometimes one cannot do that such as in highly specialized fields with few qualified people to replace the ones you fire.
In the end it is not anyone busting unions who are winning it is the workers who do not wish to unionize and most do not.

There is no such movement as you claim. Worker owned coops exist but it is not a movement because it generally fails as a business model.

Democracy whether in politics or business is tyranny of the incompetant majority which is why it is rejected and is not coming.

Collectivism whether comunism or socialism IS THE dinosaur.



Th

I don't see any logic to that.
The employer is not the one doing all the work to produce, the workers are.
But since the workers can't afford the equipment overhead, they are prevented from being able to work and produce, except by the monopoly on capital of the employers.
That is immoral, unethical, and should be illegal.
All workers should automatically be represented by collective bargaining.
And in fact it would be even better if workers pooled their money, through taxes, and buy the manufacturing equipment themselves.
The employers add nothing and just skim profits due to their monopoly.
It essentially is economic slavery.

The only solution is to make it illegal to fire union organizers.
And in fact, union representation for all workers should be mandatory.
If the workers then do not want dues or have any complaints, that is up to them to tell the union.

 

[gipper]

That's inevitable with capitalism. Always. The wealthy, those who have power/money, will always try to undermine democracy and replace it with plutocracy and oligarchy. That's what we have today in America. They also brainwash the working class into thinking the capitalists/private sector, is the answer to all of our problems. Government is "inefficient" and supposedly always does a bad job, at everything it ever tries to do. That's the capitalist rhetoric against the public sector because the government could potentially become democratic and serve the public good, rather than their vested interests at the expense of the public. The government is always demonized by the rich ruling classes. This is a constant struggle, between the capitalists and 95% of the population that comprises the working class. The exploiters vs the exploited.

Thank you. We are in complete agreement.

Somehow some conservative Americans don’t know this.

 

[sealybobo]

So instead you voted for Biden?

Who do you think you're fooling?

Assuming you guys run Trump, anyone but Trump. Run Mike Pence, maybe American moderates, independents and rich liberals like me might vote in a Republican who might be friendly to our 401K's and stocks. But why would we assume they'd do better? Biden has had to deal with a pandemic and Russia. And corporations gouging us. Have you heard today it costs $450 more a month to live than it did last year? Not me. I don't have a mortgage nor do I pay rent. If you are a renter, inflation has really fucked you. I also work from home or 7 minutes from home. High gas prices haven't bothered me either. Not as much as scrubs like you.

 

[Red Front]

Thank you. We are in complete agreement.

Somehow some conservative Americans don’t know this.

Many of them are brainwashed and exploited due to their strong Protestant work ethic. Many of them are good, hard-working people, but they've been deceived by their capitalist masters into thinking that if they work hard enough they're almost guaranteed to become rich. They've been bewitched by the bling-bling. So they defend their capitalist lords like guard dogs, often voting against their own interests as working-class people.

American workers were the aristocracy of labor. We live in the empire, the exploiter country, hence we had it good here for several decades. Our capitalist lords took good care of us between the late 1940s and late 1970s. For about 40 years, we had it good. The workers in other countries were being exploited by our ruling class, Western imperialists, but we were and in a way we still are, the primary paying consumer. The people who buy their shit. So there was a time, before the supply-side economics (i.e. Reaganomics) of the 1980s, when the American worker was the highest paid, with the best and most benefits, we had it good compared to workers in other countries, even in industrialized nations.

Conservatives are stuck in the 1950s and 60s, they think that we are still the high aristocracy of labor, when we're actually being phased out and juiced to nothing but a dry pulp thrown away in the trashbin. The capitalists are turning this country into a third-world, techno-fiefdom.

 

[easyt65]

6 years since it began
1.5 years out of office
...and every day Trump OWNS Democrats, liberal media, and snowflakes.

Despite controlling the WH, Senate, & House, Trump is alltheycan think about, talk about, take action against, scheme against, curse, vent, scream at the sky over,and throw tantrums over ... EVERY DAY!

They can't move on.

Joe Biden is President, but look at how many threads anti-Trump snowflakes creaye EVERY DAY ... especially compared to how many they create praising Biden.

It's pathetic...

By their daily actions you would almost think Trump was still President.



Bwuhahahahaha


Let's Go Brandon!

 

[maybelooking]

yeah the constant threads everyday on here by whining ass liberals is proof positive of the failure of the movement!!!!!

 

[Red Front]

I don't see any logic to that.
The employer is not the one doing all the work to produce, the workers are.
But since the workers can't afford the equipment overhead, they are prevented from being able to work and produce, except by the monopoly on capital of the employers.
That is immoral, unethical, and should be illegal.
All workers should automatically be represented by collective bargaining.
And in fact it would be even better if workers pooled their money, through taxes, and buy the manufacturing equipment themselves.
The employers add nothing and just skim profits due to their monopoly.
It essentially is economic slavery.

The only solution is to make it illegal to fire union organizers.
And in fact, union representation for all workers should be mandatory.
If the workers then do not want dues or have any complaints, that is up to them to tell the union.

 

[Ralph Norton]

In the Soviet Union, Cuba (where my parents are from), the vast majority of people didn't lose their homes. Some wealthy people who live in 10 or 18-room mansions on 100 acres, lost their homes but seeing how those people used to treat the poor, and their employees, when they had power, I don't feel sorry for them. In the modern age in the United States, we don't have to do things exactly how the Russian Bolshevics and Cubans "did socialism", we will do socialism our own way. We have the American way of doing it, because we're Americans, so even the asshole billionaire would keep his mansion and yacht in American socialism. Everyone will keep their homes. We will house everyone.

It's the 21st century, and we have a lot of technology at our disposal, to improve everyone's standard of living. You'll have everything you have now and more if the communist front party is in power. And this will be our new flag:

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UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA

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Communist Front Party Flag


AMERICAN SOCIALISM​

1. Everyone keeps their homes and up to 100 acres of land (farmers, ranchers, keep all of their lands)
2. Everyone keeps their firearms, including combat rifles, with access to ammunition (you retain the right to form militias)
3. Everyone receives the Economic Bill Of Rights, that says every American has a right to food, housing, employment (public sector), healthcare, and an education. We will eliminate homelessness, hunger and poverty in America.
4. We become energy independent (we'll build MSRs/LFTRs Molten Salt Reactors/Liquid Flouride Thorium Reactors, throughout our country, providing abundant, safe, and clean energy to all Americans. These safe nuclear reactors will also generate liquid fuel for all of our vehicles.
5. We modernize and build our national infrastructure. Bullet trains, new intelligent highways, new bridges, sewage, electric grid..etc.
6. All centers of economic power are handed to the people: Banks, Energy Sector (Oil, Gas, Nuclear, Electric Utilities), Mining, All Utilities, Telecom, Mass Transit, Healthcare (private sector remains alongside public healthcare), Pharmaceuticals, and Military Industrial Complex. Profits from those industries are deposited in the public treasury.
7. Medical Freedom (No need for a prescription from a doctor as it was before the 1930s, a medical license is required to practice medicine).
8. End of drug-war (drug addiction is decriminalized, narcotics dealing is made a capital crime and those convicted subject to the death penalty).
9. The colonization of space (American Space Colonies).
10. Transsexualism is declared a mental illness and children are protected from being subject to dangerous hormone treatments and surgeries. A woman is defined as an adult human female and a man is defined as an adult human male. There are two sexes and genders, we are a binary species, with respect to sex/gender.
11. National Soviets (councils) are established throughout the country, and members of the party (any American can join the Communist Front Party), can vote for who will serve in congress and who will become president. Direct democracy via the Soviets - People's Councils.
12. Stop illegal immigration.
13. Lift all sanctions on foreign states.
14. Two-year mandatory military service after high school.
15. Pornography is illegal.
16. LGBTQ Pride Parades Are Illegal, due to public nudity and indecency.
17. Homosexuals can't adopt or groom children.
18. We are willing to negotiate with social conservatives on the question of abortion and come to terms we can all accept. A woman should be able to abort her pregnancy if she is raped or is facing a possible medical emergency or health problem.
19. Child sexual abuse is a capital crime.
20. Religious freedom: The right to practice any religion without government interference.
21. End of no fault divorce.
22. Parents have joint custody of their children.
23. NATO returns to its 1997 borders.
24. Wars can only be declared through congress. The president has no authority to start a war.
25. Establish good relations with all nations, unless they directly threaten our national security.

Our plan is much more comprehensive and detailed than the above list, but that's a simple summary of a few of the things we would do to improve the lives of all Americans and increase freedom.

And will be paid for how?

 

[bripat9643]

Assuming you guys run Trump, anyone but Trump. Run Mike Pence, maybe American moderates, independents and rich liberals like me might vote in a Republican who might be friendly to our 401K's and stocks. But why would we assume they'd do better? Biden has had to deal with a pandemic and Russia. And corporations gouging us. Have you heard today it costs $450 more a month to live than it did last year? Not me. I don't have a mortgage nor do I pay rent. If you are a renter, inflation has really fucked you. I also work from home or 7 minutes from home. High gas prices haven't bothered me either. Not as much as scrubs like you.

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The claim that Biden is preferable to Trump is too idiotic for words to describe.

All your graphic describes, if it's accurate, is what happens when you pump trillions of phony money into the economy. Of course, someone is left to cleanup the mess after the party is over.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I don't see any logic to that.
The employer is not the one doing all the work to produce, the workers are.
But since the workers can't afford the equipment overhead, they are prevented from being able to work and produce, except by the monopoly on capital of the employers.
That is immoral, unethical, and should be illegal.
All workers should automatically be represented by collective bargaining.
And in fact it would be even better if workers pooled their money, through taxes, and buy the manufacturing equipment themselves.
The employers add nothing and just skim profits due to their monopoly.
It essentially is economic slavery.

The only solution is to make it illegal to fire union organizers.
And in fact, union representation for all workers should bIt

wrong.

The empployer does more by providing the means not only to produce but to make greater profit. They do so by working harder than the laborers.

The laborers are not provented from doing anything. You can learn how to build nice chairs and sell a few but that gets you no where. Someone providing a means of building thousands of nice chairs and selling them to make a life long income is better.

It is moral legal and ethical, Your evil and corrpt marxist view of authoritarian tyrrany is what is immoral.

Pooling wealth through taxes means theft and slavery which is why the real communists nations are slave camps. Such as the USSR which was a true commubnist society led by truew communists such as Stalin.

before you start you havealreayd been shown that the USSR and Stalin were true communists.

 

[Red Front]

And will be paid for how?

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We would establish an American Socialist State, with a market economy ("mixed economy"), but as I pointed out in the post that you're replying to, the major centers of economic power (i.e. industries vital to our nation's infrastructure) would be nationalized. So the private sector would continue to exist within the consumer goods market and we will have plenty of funds, and resources to put everyone to work, earning a decent wage, with benefits. We will have all of the resources available to accomplish everything on that list.

 

[sealybobo]

You could have supported him on one issue while opposing him in general. That would have been demonstrated NOT hypocrisy and possibly led to political pressure for him to go that route harder.

I saw behind every supposed good deed. Build a wall? Stupid, wouldn't work and only made the same people who stormed the capitol happy.

His tax break punished blue states that didn't vote for him.

What else?

 

[sealybobo]

The claim that Biden is preferable to Trump is too idiotic for words to describe.

All your graphic describes, if it's accurate, is what happens when you pump trillions of phony money into the economy. Of course, someone is left to cleanup the mess after the party is over.

Our entire system is set up so it only works when trillions of phony money are pumped into the economy.

Reagan spent his way out of his recession. Grew government too. But you loved him.

Anyone is preferable to Trump. He's a criminal. Remember how we give credit to George Washington because he could have been our king but chose not to be? Trump is not that kind of man. He'd be king. He'd love that. And he tried. He tried to pull a Bush/Putin.

 

[gipper]

And will be paid for how?

A question never asked about USG war spending.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Democrats continue to try and distance themselves from their racist pasts by claiming "but they changed". As we see with Biden, this is not the case as shown in my earlier post to you. He is racist, and the democratic party of old is the same as they have always been.

The Netrix's Retarded Rhetoric

So the Democrats used to be on the side of White people and should never be forgiven for that? Whoever came up with that silly anachronism and pushed it on Republicans must want them to lose White votes. By the way, the Democrats originally called themselves "Republicans." That, too, means nothing.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I have always been a democratic. I'm 51 years old. I'm old enough and smart enough to remember which party said tobacco didn't kill Same politicians and lobbyists today who pay Republicans billions to deny man made climate change.


Of the top 20 politicians who get the most from the tobacco industry, 4 are democrats. Blue Dog Democrats no doubt.

Tobacco Recipients

See top recipents of contributions from Tobacco industries/interest groups for every election cycle from 1998 to 2024.

www.opensecrets.org

Lighten Up on Lighting Up

Genes cause cancer; smoking only locates it, and only in those who have the cancer gene in the first place. The studies could come to that conclusion, but the narrow-minded statisticians don't want to. They'd rather harass people's lifestyle. The tobacco companies may be driven by greed, but the other side is driven by wanting to control everybody.

Statistics is just a pompous form of arithmetic. These researchers are low-level scientists. Real scientists would look for a cure. Since gene therapy is new, it is rejected by those lab rats who are beholden to the Pharmafia and its stuck-on-same-ol'-same-ol' ways.

Oncologists are never blamed for their massive failure to understand and cure cancer. There is some mystique protecting those useless nerds. Their education is an obvious fraud and they shouldn't be respected for it.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Now the small contractors (mexicans) are destroying the middle class.

If you like free market capitalism, let's leave everything the way it is right now. Because right now, the companies who hire illegals can't find workers. So they/we need them. Unemployment is low. Upward mobility is there. A shit ton of Americans retired during covid who would have waited another 10 years to retire if not for covid. But they are done now. Lot's of openings.

There's nothing wrong with America unless your skills are in low demand or everyone can do what you can do. IT support guys aren't going to make shit. Meanwhile good IT people are making 6 figures.

And you know who you should blame for destroying the small contractors? The rich. They've been hiring illegals. And they save billions of dollars every year hiring illegals. I wonder why Bush stopped going after illegal employers? Oh yea, he likes immigrants. So do I. Not illegals though. But don't go after them. That's wack a mole. Go after who draws them here. Illegal employers.

"Between 1999 and 2003, work-site enforcement operations were scaled back 95 percent by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which subsequently was merged into the Homeland Security Department. The number of employers prosecuted for unlawfully employing immigrants dropped from 182 in 1999 to four in 2003, and fines collected declined from $3.6 million to $212,000, according to federal statistics.

"In 1999, the United States initiated fines against 417 companies. In 2004, it issued fine notices to three."

Treason Is Not a Property Right

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Basically you are all wrong.

Workers certainly have the right to unionize but wmployers have trhe right to ban unions. Of course in the end the only solution is to fire those who try to unionize. Sometimes that works but sometimes one cannot do that such as in highly specialized fields with few qualified people to replace the ones you fire.
In the end it is not anyone busting unions who are winning it is the workers who do not wish to unionize and most do not.

There is no such movement as you claim. Worker owned coops exist but it is not a movement because it generally fails as a business model.

Democracy whether in politics or business is tyranny of the incompetant majority which is why it is rejected and is not coming.

Collectivism whether comunism or socialism IS THE dinosaur.



Th

Management by Imagination

As if the pro athletes' unions tell the star players, "Don't play so well. Your backup is a union member, too, and needs the playing time he'll get if you'll just intentionally have some bad days out there."

It is the bureaucratic management that has caused our economic decline. Blaming unions is unearned conceit by useless Diploma Dumbos. Snobbery is all they learn in Bizz Skule.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Lol. “Government controls big business”…wtf. You’re nuts. Money controls everything in this country. Even a duped con like you must know this. Big business has the money. They control government.

This isn’t hard if you have a brain.

Sick Sadistic Statists and Private-Sector Economic Bullies

The nasty and jealous desire to control controls everything.