Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

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That's a laugh, they don't even want to pay their NATO dues. ...

What's a bullshit. Everyone pays the own army - and Germany pays the same money to the institution NATO as the USA is doing, I heard. Best is meanwhile really to do what Trump said in this context - but on totally other reasons: You are not able to defend what you hate. And the USA hates as well Germany as it hates Europe. So take your soldiers - all of them. Leave Germany. Bye bye. I don't like to have here in Germany an army full of idiots, who hate everyone, who is not an US-American.
You fucking monkey. Welcomes every fucking monkey that hates us, our culture, religion, everything.
Good grief. And this says the extremist Nazi idiot, who once tried to convince everyone that he is a German.
Why couldn't he (or she given the avatar??) be some AfD type guy?
 
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That's a laugh, they don't even want to pay their NATO dues. ...

What's a bullshit. Everyone pays the own army - and Germany pays the same money to the institution NATO as the USA is doing, I heard. Best is meanwhile really to do what Trump said in this context - but on totally other reasons: You are not able to defend what you hate. And the USA hates as well Germany as it hates Europe. So take your soldiers - all of them. Leave Germany. Bye bye. I don't like to have here in Germany an army full of idiots, who hate everyone, who is not an US-American.
You fucking monkey. Welcomes every fucking monkey that hates us, our culture, religion, everything.
Good grief. And this says the extremist Nazi idiot, who once tried to convince everyone that he is a German.
Why couldn't he (or she given the avatar??) be some AfD type guy?
Do-gooders do not distinguish between right-wingers and nazis in Germany. Everyone right to themselves is a nazi. But I am neither. AfD is too "market-liberal" in my opinion.
 

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That's a laugh, they don't even want to pay their NATO dues. ...

What's a bullshit. Everyone pays the own army - and Germany pays the same money to the institution NATO as the USA is doing, I heard. Best is meanwhile really to do what Trump said in this context - but on totally other reasons: You are not able to defend what you hate. And the USA hates as well Germany as it hates Europe. So take your soldiers - all of them. Leave Germany. Bye bye. I don't like to have here in Germany an army full of idiots, who hate everyone, who is not an US-American.
You fucking monkey. Welcomes every fucking monkey that hates us, our culture, religion, everything.
Good grief. And this says the extremist Nazi idiot, who once tried to convince everyone that he is a German.
Why couldn't he (or she given the avatar??) be some AfD type guy?
Do-gooders do not distinguish between right-wingers and nazis in Germany. Everyone right to themselves is a nazi. But I am neither. AfD is too "market-liberal" in my opinion.
Wouldn't that make you more national socialist then? Actually, I don't think you're a Nazi, but you are pro-Russia.
 

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That's a laugh, they don't even want to pay their NATO dues. ...

What's a bullshit. Everyone pays the own army - and Germany pays the same money to the institution NATO as the USA is doing, I heard. Best is meanwhile really to do what Trump said in this context - but on totally other reasons: You are not able to defend what you hate. And the USA hates as well Germany as it hates Europe. So take your soldiers - all of them. Leave Germany. Bye bye. I don't like to have here in Germany an army full of idiots, who hate everyone, who is not an US-American.
You fucking monkey. Welcomes every fucking monkey that hates us, our culture, religion, everything.
Good grief. And this says the extremist Nazi idiot, who once tried to convince everyone that he is a German.
Why couldn't he (or she given the avatar??) be some AfD type guy?
Do-gooders do not distinguish between right-wingers and nazis in Germany. Everyone right to themselves is a nazi. But I am neither. AfD is too "market-liberal" in my opinion.
Wouldn't that make you more national socialist then? Actually, I don't think you're a Nazi, but you are pro-Russia.
Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
And I am pro-Russia, if you like to call it like that. I am not against Russia, they are our big neighbor, sanity demands a good relationship. I strongly oppose any attempt to create an iron curtain. It is as costly for us as it is for them. Those who force us to decide between Russia and the USA, and it is not the Russians, should have no say in my country. We can all come together and improve our lives, reduce tensions and leave that medieval shit behind.

zaangalewa is just a moron, he denies his own people the right to an own country but demands an own country for Indians. That might be the core of his insane America-hatred.
 
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Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
Those are some interesting points, it was better than in the Soviet Union, except unless you were Jewish. Not that Jews weren't at times discriminated against in the Soviet Union.

Could the Nazis exist without hatred of Jews? Probably not, as that's how they got to power, but it does bring up interesting questions and debates.

But then again, their whole point was to make war and persecute political opponents as well. And the war brought misery after the economy improved. So not much better than the Soviet Union in the end. Goering did bring up an interesting point that they had no right to try him because the Soviet Union did the same things.

As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII. But people associate the word with the Cold War.
 

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... As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII.
Germany was not "socialist" during world war 2. It was from 1933-1945 (12,000 years long) a ruthless Nazi tyranny.

 
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What do folks think about European efforts to forge an identity and a “great power” role independent of the U.S.? The articles below discuss continuing French and German discussions (and disagreements) about the need for a separate “EU Army” distinct from NATO, and efforts to build up a separate EU arms industry. Trump’s efforts to get Europe to pay more “for defending itself,” and trade disputes with Europe under his administration, have paradoxically led to talk of developing a more sovereign role in the world. Of course Europe has many internal conflicts. Personally I think Brexit will ultimately strengthen French-German-led European unity.

Has the EU’s “soft power” or independent thinking in trade or its sense of distinctness grown in the last 4 years — despite Brexit, Covid-19 and immigration problems? Will a Biden presidency repair trans-Atlantic unity or has permanent damage occurred? Is this all a fake effort of Macron (and Angela Merkel) to boost their popularity at home? Do NATO & the CIA and financial ties doom Europe to remain tied as a caboose to the American train? Are there really still strong common interests that bind Europe to the U.S. — or will Europe in future find it has more interests in separately negotiating with Russia and China?


PARIS (Reuters) - Europe still needs its own independent and sovereign defence strategy, even if it is dealing with a new U.S. government which may result in friendlier ties, French President Emmanuel Macron told the “Revue Grand Continent” publication.

In an interview with the publication, Macron rebuffed comments from German Defence Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer to Politico on Nov. 2, in which the German minister said Europe would have to remain dependent on U.S. military protection for the near future.

“I am in complete disagreement with the opinion article published in Politico by the German defence minister,” said Macron, adding he believed German Chancellor Angela Merkel shared his position on this issue.

“The United States will only respect us as allies if we are serious about our own position, and if we have our own sovereignty regarding our defence,” said Macron.

“We need to continue to build up our own autonomy, just as the United States does for itself, and just as China does for itself,” added Macron.

Macron spoke to U.S. President-elect Joe Biden on Nov 10, and told Biden he was ready to work with him on issues such as the climate, health, and the fight against terrorism.

Macron: Europe needs its own sovereignty in defence, even with new U.S. government

The idea of a “European Army” is not new. This article from 2 years ago shows that it grew as German & French hostility to and from Donald Trump rose higher.

Merkel joins Macron in calling for EU army to complement NATO
This comes up every few years and they do nothing
 

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Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
Those are some interesting points, it was better than in the Soviet Union, except unless you were Jewish. Not that Jews weren't at times discriminated against in the Soviet Union.

Could the Nazis exist without hatred of Jews? Probably not, as that's how they got to power, but it does bring up interesting questions and debates.

But then again, their whole point was to make war and persecute political opponents as well. And the war brought misery after the economy improved. So not much better than the Soviet Union in the end. Goering did bring up an interesting point that they had no right to try him because the Soviet Union did the same things.

As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII. But people associate the word with the Cold War.
Jews were barely a point in the struggle for power. It was the unstable political situation, the extreme bullying by the victorious powers and finally the great depression. Hitler was infected with anti-semitism by Henry Ford, his major backer during the 20´s. Ford wrote "The International Jew".
 

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Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
Those are some interesting points, it was better than in the Soviet Union, except unless you were Jewish. Not that Jews weren't at times discriminated against in the Soviet Union.

Could the Nazis exist without hatred of Jews? Probably not, as that's how they got to power, but it does bring up interesting questions and debates.

But then again, their whole point was to make war and persecute political opponents as well. And the war brought misery after the economy improved. So not much better than the Soviet Union in the end. Goering did bring up an interesting point that they had no right to try him because the Soviet Union did the same things.

As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII. But people associate the word with the Cold War.
Jews were barely a point in the struggle for power. It was the unstable political situation, the extreme bullying by the victorious powers and finally the great depression. Hitler was infected with anti-semitism by Henry Ford, his major backer during the 20´s. Ford wrote "The International Jew".
Jews were Germans like all others. Then came extremist idiots and destroyed Germany - also by massmurdering Jews.
 
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What is more useful is some copy of NATO comprised of East European states. As a natural barrier between the rest of Europe and Russia.
You mean as the failure of US policy to ram NATO up against Russia's borders becomes unavoidably apparent?
I thought Trump worked for Russia...wft? Did you not get the Talking points?
 

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"Freiwild" is a rock band from Italy. The Tirolians decided on their own free will to be a part of Italy instead of Austria. So the German supernationalism of the band "Freiwild" is only absurde funny. And I know that the Tirolians in Austria are often racists against Germans from Germany. They - like all other Austrians - don't see in themselves Germans any longer.
 
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Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
Those are some interesting points, it was better than in the Soviet Union, except unless you were Jewish. Not that Jews weren't at times discriminated against in the Soviet Union.

Could the Nazis exist without hatred of Jews? Probably not, as that's how they got to power, but it does bring up interesting questions and debates.

But then again, their whole point was to make war and persecute political opponents as well. And the war brought misery after the economy improved. So not much better than the Soviet Union in the end. Goering did bring up an interesting point that they had no right to try him because the Soviet Union did the same things.

As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII. But people associate the word with the Cold War.
Jews were barely a point in the struggle for power. It was the unstable political situation, the extreme bullying by the victorious powers and finally the great depression. Hitler was infected with anti-semitism by Henry Ford, his major backer during the 20´s. Ford wrote "The International Jew".
Jews were Germans like all others. Then came extremist idiots and destroyed Germany - also by massmurdering Jews.
And today it is no longer the Jews, it is the "Nazis". It is them evil "Nazis" that disturb happy refugels exercising their culture on girls and women.
 

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"Freiwild" is a rock band from Italy. The Tirolians decided on their own free will to be a part of Italy instead of Austria. So the German supernationalism of the band "Freiwild" is only absurde funny. And I know that the Tirolians in Austria are often racists against Germans from Germany. They - like all other Austrians - don't see in themselves Germans any longer.
Neither free will nor can you impose any other´s opinion on anyone.
 

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Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
Those are some interesting points, it was better than in the Soviet Union, except unless you were Jewish. Not that Jews weren't at times discriminated against in the Soviet Union.

Could the Nazis exist without hatred of Jews? Probably not, as that's how they got to power, but it does bring up interesting questions and debates.

But then again, their whole point was to make war and persecute political opponents as well. And the war brought misery after the economy improved. So not much better than the Soviet Union in the end. Goering did bring up an interesting point that they had no right to try him because the Soviet Union did the same things.

As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII. But people associate the word with the Cold War.
Jews were barely a point in the struggle for power. It was the unstable political situation, the extreme bullying by the victorious powers and finally the great depression. Hitler was infected with anti-semitism by Henry Ford, his major backer during the 20´s. Ford wrote "The International Jew".
Jews were Germans like all others. Then came extremist idiots and destroyed Germany - also by massmurdering Jews.
And today it is no longer the Jews, it is the "Nazis". It is them evil "Nazis" that disturb happy refugels exercising their culture on girls and women.
?
 

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Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
Those are some interesting points, it was better than in the Soviet Union, except unless you were Jewish. Not that Jews weren't at times discriminated against in the Soviet Union.

Could the Nazis exist without hatred of Jews? Probably not, as that's how they got to power, but it does bring up interesting questions and debates.

But then again, their whole point was to make war and persecute political opponents as well. And the war brought misery after the economy improved. So not much better than the Soviet Union in the end. Goering did bring up an interesting point that they had no right to try him because the Soviet Union did the same things.

As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII. But people associate the word with the Cold War.
Jews were barely a point in the struggle for power. It was the unstable political situation, the extreme bullying by the victorious powers and finally the great depression. Hitler was infected with anti-semitism by Henry Ford, his major backer during the 20´s. Ford wrote "The International Jew".
Jews were Germans like all others. Then came extremist idiots and destroyed Germany - also by massmurdering Jews.
And today it is no longer the Jews, it is the "Nazis". It is them evil "Nazis" that disturb happy refugels exercising their culture on girls and women.
?
You don´t understand. We the "Nazis" are the new scapegoat.
 

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"Freiwild" is a rock band from Italy. The Tirolians decided on their own free will to be a part of Italy instead of Austria. So the German supernationalism of the band "Freiwild" is only absurde funny. And I know that the Tirolians in Austria are often racists against Germans from Germany. They - like all other Austrians - don't see in themselves Germans any longer.
Neither free will nor can you impose any other´s opinion on anyone.
I saw now that the referendum "Tirol" in Italy never had happened. Instead of this the government of the USA, Austria and Italy decided a special solution after world war 2, which continued the nonsense decisions from 1924.

Nevertheless Austrians (Italians) who postulate a German super-nationalism are today a funny anachronism.
 

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Yes, it would. But I am not planing to gas people or rate their genetic value. And it is hard to explain Americans that the 3rd Reich had a market economy combined with socialist elements. That is what I also support. The society was more equal to the US than to communist countries. Even in 1945 you could go to a store and buy American LPs.
But that all is a thing of the past, way too much ideology and dictatorship. So I am actually a centrist.
Those are some interesting points, it was better than in the Soviet Union, except unless you were Jewish. Not that Jews weren't at times discriminated against in the Soviet Union.

Could the Nazis exist without hatred of Jews? Probably not, as that's how they got to power, but it does bring up interesting questions and debates.

But then again, their whole point was to make war and persecute political opponents as well. And the war brought misery after the economy improved. So not much better than the Soviet Union in the end. Goering did bring up an interesting point that they had no right to try him because the Soviet Union did the same things.

As for the socialism part, the US was probably just as socialist as Germany during WWII. But people associate the word with the Cold War.
Jews were barely a point in the struggle for power. It was the unstable political situation, the extreme bullying by the victorious powers and finally the great depression. Hitler was infected with anti-semitism by Henry Ford, his major backer during the 20´s. Ford wrote "The International Jew".
Jews were Germans like all others. Then came extremist idiots and destroyed Germany - also by massmurdering Jews.
And today it is no longer the Jews, it is the "Nazis". It is them evil "Nazis" that disturb happy refugels exercising their culture on girls and women.
?
You don´t understand. We the "Nazis" are the new scapegoat.
You Nazis are worth to die - that's all.

 
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"Freiwild" is a rock band from Italy. The Tirolians decided on their own free will to be a part of Italy instead of Austria. So the German supernationalism of the band "Freiwild" is only absurde funny. And I know that the Tirolians in Austria are often racists against Germans from Germany. They - like all other Austrians - don't see in themselves Germans any longer.
Neither free will nor can you impose any other´s opinion on anyone.
I saw now that the referendum "Tirol" in Italy never had happened. Instead of this the government of the USA, Austria and Italy decided a special solution after world war 2, which continued the nonsense decisions from 1924.

Nevertheless Austrians (Italians) who postulate a German super-nationalism are today a funny anachronism.
I actually wonder why this is "super-nationalism". How does normal nationalism look like, then. And what is patriotism, then?
 

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