Love It: Lawsuit Filed On Democratic Party For Them To Define If Obama Is Qualified

[USArmyRetired]

It's interesting to see this many open racists on a board. I'm used to the words, but not the open admission of white pride/white supremacy.

Amen! Apparently they get bored on Stormfront just telling each other how racist they are.

Elaborate? What makes you think that?

 

[JakeStarkey]

This a high prominent Constitutional attorney filing this case this time . . .

And there is still no standing to force the Dems to do anything in the first place,

Tell me why in detail. Give me facts.

Your fact is this: your party has no standing to make the Dems do anything. Your next fact is this: Obama was born in Hawaill. Next fact: he is qualified as President IAW the Constitution. Fina and last fact: your opinions to the contrary mean nothing to 97% of American and 100% of American judges and courts.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Amen! Apparently they get bored on Stormfront just telling each other how racist they are.

At stormfront we're talking to the "chair"(people that believe in the same thing). At least here I can try to awaken whites to the reality of our coming extinction and what the future holds if that comes to past. Most of the world is a third world trash hole for a reason and so we must work to preserve our civilization. If not it will fade into history.

Yes, I post at stormfront under MattwhiteAmerica

Holy shit. Yeah, Native Americans once held those foolish notions...

You have a right to preserve your people and culture. We all do.

 

[Lakhota]

At stormfront we're talking to the "chair"(people that believe in the same thing). At least here I can try to awaken whites to the reality of our coming extinction and what the future holds if that comes to past. Most of the world is a third world trash hole for a reason and so we must work to preserve our civilization. If not it will fade into history.

Yes, I post at stormfront under MattwhiteAmerica

Holy shit. Yeah, Native Americans once held those foolish notions...

You have a right to preserve your people and culture. We all do.

Your "people" originated in Africa! Your culture is what you make of it. Is yours racist?

 

[JakeStarkey]

White anglosaxon evangelical American male as cultural icon is over, Matthew. Nothing can revive it.

 

[USArmyRetired]

This a high prominent Constitutional attorney filing this case this time . . .

And there is still no standing to force the Dems to do anything in the first place,

Your fact is this: your party has no standing to make the Dems do anything. Your next fact is this: Obama was born in Hawaill. Next fact: he is qualified as President IAW the Constitution. Fina and last fact: your opinions to the contrary mean nothing to 97% of American and 100% of American judges and courts.

No he is not qualified to be president. He never was even if born in Hawaii. Let me ask you this.

Lets look at this paragraph from Factcheck as well as his campaign website Fight the Smears again:

“As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.”


You read the most important part which is the last sentence right? Good. I thought you did.

Now, let me ask you this, If Obama is a natural born Citizen, then why did Obama feel compelled to state that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution?

 

[JakeStarkey]

No reasonable doubt exists that he was born anywhere else other than in Hawaii.

American law trumps British law on matters of American citizenship.

Barak Hussein Obama did not say that, did he?

USAR you are a racist, bigoted American who hates the Constitution. Your kind has no influence.

 

[USArmyRetired]

No reasonable doubt exists that he was born anywhere else other than in Hawaii.

American law trumps British law on matters of American citizenship.

Barak Hussein Obama did not say that, did he?

USAR you are a racist, bigoted American who hates the Constitution. Your kind has no influence.

No, please answer. That is Obama's campaign website. He used it in 08. One more time. If American law trumps British law, why did Obama feel compelled to state on his website verified by Factcheck that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution? Come on, answer.


And by the way, I love the Constitution.

 

[Montrovant]

First of all, there is controversy because Obama doesn't adhere to the ruling of Minor vs Happersett. Minor vs Happersett clearly is binding precedent and Obama does not meet the qualifications of Article 2 Section 1. Obama's father was a British Subject and as stated on Obama's own website Fight the Smears, it says the British Nationality Act of 1948 governed the status of Obama Sr's children which means they were also born as British subjects. That means Obama jr is a British Subject and not a natural born Citizen even if born in Hawaii. People didn't read that website in full and it was laid right out there for all to see and it caught no ones attention and the media surely didn't bring it up because it would have brought attention to his citizenship and that is something they avoided at all cost.

Read the last sentence:

Tell me what that last sentence means?

Are you ignoring where factcheck goes on to say that Obama had dual citizenship because he was born in the US......that when Kenya became independent, he gained Kenyan citizenship rather than British......and that, as of his 23rd birthday, lost that Kenyan citizenship?

All of which also ignores the obvious fact that the US is under no obligation to concern itself with the citizenship laws of other nations in a case like this. Under US law, having been born on US soil, Obama was a citizen, whatever the British Nationality Act might or might not have to say.

Then again, these and other important facts about this have been provided to you over and over and you have continues to beat this dead horse anyway. So I doubt anything I or anyone else might post will have any effect on your obsession.

Obama lost Kenyan citizenship, yes but he still didn't lose his British Nationality. That remains to this day. He has dual allegiances and yes, he is a citizen like you say above, just not a natural born Citizen.

Watch and Listen:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esiZZ-1R7e8&feature=related]Natural Born Citizen? - YouTube[/ame]

Actually, according once again to the factcheck page where you got your pic from, he DID lose British citizenship as part of the Kenyan constitution when they gained independence.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No reasonable doubt exists that he was born anywhere else other than in Hawaii.

American law trumps British law on matters of American citizenship.

Barak Hussein Obama did not say that, did he?

USAR you are a racist, bigoted American who hates the Constitution. Your kind has no influence.

No, please answer. That is Obama's campaign website. He used it in 08. One more time. If American law trumps British law, why did Obama feel compelled to state on his website verified by Factcheck that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution? Come on, answer.

And by the way, I love the Constitution.

Tell the truth, USAR. Barak H. Obama did not say that, did he? And the 14th has nothing to do with this at all. Go read your Constitution, USAR.

 

[Lakhota]

Whites to become minority in U.S. by 2050 | Reuters

By MSNBC Racist Patrick J. Buchanan: America in 2050: Another country

 

[JakeStarkey]

Non-hispanic whites will be a minority long before 2050.

That is why USAR and others are so upset. in 1960, white males made up 52% of the voting demographic, now about 33% and growing smaller with each election.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Are you ignoring where factcheck goes on to say that Obama had dual citizenship because he was born in the US......that when Kenya became independent, he gained Kenyan citizenship rather than British......and that, as of his 23rd birthday, lost that Kenyan citizenship?

All of which also ignores the obvious fact that the US is under no obligation to concern itself with the citizenship laws of other nations in a case like this. Under US law, having been born on US soil, Obama was a citizen, whatever the British Nationality Act might or might not have to say.

Then again, these and other important facts about this have been provided to you over and over and you have continues to beat this dead horse anyway. So I doubt anything I or anyone else might post will have any effect on your obsession.

Obama lost Kenyan citizenship, yes but he still didn't lose his British Nationality. That remains to this day. He has dual allegiances and yes, he is a citizen like you say above, just not a natural born Citizen.

Watch and Listen:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esiZZ-1R7e8&feature=related]Natural Born Citizen? - YouTube[/ame]

Actually, according once again to the factcheck page where you got your pic from, he DID lose British citizenship as part of the Kenyan constitution when they gained independence.

Wrong. Let us now see how Obama did not lose his British citizenship. The Kenyan Constitution which came into effect in 1963 at Article 97 provides the following:

"97. Dual citizenship

1. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament."

Hence, while the Kenyan Constitution prohibits dual citizenship for adults, it allows dual citizenship for children. Kenya’s Constitution does, however, specify that at age 21, Kenyan citizens who possess citizenship in more than one country automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship, swear an oath of allegiance to Kenya, and in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament. It may be true that Obama did not take any action to preserve his Kenyan citizenship as was required by the Kenyan constitution. But there is no evidence that Obama ever renounced his British citizenship which he originally acquired at his birth under Section 5 of the British Nationality Act of 1948. Whatever his father may have done regarding his Kenyan and/or British citizenship did not affect Obama’s British citizenship with which Obama was born. Hence, under the Kenyan Constitution, Obama presumably lost his Kenyan citizenship by not renouncing his U.S. (assuming he was born in the U.S.) and British citizenships, by not taking an oath of allegiance to Kenya, and by not registering his declaration to take up residence in Kenya. But under British law, he did not lose his British citizenship because he never renounced that citizenship

The fact that Obama still has British citizenship is further supported by this:

"Under United Kingdom law as it has been since the British Nationality Act, 1948, the acquisition of another nationality by a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, of whatever age, makes no difference whatever to his status as a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies, and, therefore, he remains a British subject.

Moreover, it is not possible, under United Kingdom law, for the nationality of a child who is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies to be changed by the decision of his parents. Only the child, when he reaches the age of 21, can renounce his citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies if he is then in possession of another nationality, but during the child's minority neither the child nor his parents can do anything to forfeit his birthright of British nationality."
Children Bill [Lords], HC Deb 27 June 1958 vol 590 cc743-830.

Additionally, if one examines the British Nationality Act of 1981, there is nothing there which shows that Obama, once having the British citizenship that he acquired by descent from his father at the time of his birth, automatically lost it at age 21. On the other hand, the act contains provisions concerning "declaration of renunciation" at Section 10, 12, and 13. Not that doing so would make Obama an Article II “natural born Citizen,” there is no evidence that Obama ever filed any "declaration of renunciation" of his British citizenship.

What does this mean? Under the Kenyan Constitution, Obama is presumably no longer a Kenyan citizen because he did not renounce at age 21 his British citizenship and his U.S. citizenship (assuming he was born in the U.S.). Obama is still however a British citizen not only under English common law (in the words of Coke and Blackstone, a natural-born subject of the United Kingdom) but also under British citizenship statutes. Neither Kenya's 1963 constitution nor any statute erased the consequences of the British common law and nationality statutes that were in effect at the time of Obama’s and his father’s birth. Obama’s continuing British citizenship is further confirmed by English law which provides that persons born in countries which were Colonies at the time when they were born are still British citizens. Hence, Obama continues to be a British citizen despite Kenya’s independence and new constitution.

This all leads to the question of how can Obama be an Article II “natural born Citizen” if he was at birth both a U.S. citizen (assuming he was born in the U.S.) and a British citizen which alone disqualifies him from having that status? Answer. He can't. But to make matters worse, Obama continues to be a British citizen at a time that he is currently the President of the United States which means he is a usurper. Think of this, do you believe that the Founding Fathers, who had just fought a war with Great Britain for America's Independence and who did not want a foreigner to occupy the Office of President, would have allowed a British citizen, who carries that status not only from birth but also to the time he occupies the Office, to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Military? I THINK NOT AND NO REASONABLE AMERICAN WOULD THINK THAT EITHER.

 

[Lakhota]

It's no secret that Stormfront was started by a Ku Klux Klan leader.

 

[JakeStarkey]

It's no surprise to anyone that American law trumps British and Kenyan law when it comes to American citizenship.

USAR lost this OP forever ago.

 

[ScienceRocks]

You people are chairing for the extinction of my race...The race that made the computer, light bulb, calculus, most of physics, most of chemistry, most of biology, most of geology, trains, trucks, casr, engine, water pump, internet, space travel, a large part of modern day medical advancements. yet, we're not supposed to be proud of that??? You people straight on push your black pride and black pride months in our schools, but you hate white people so much you do everything in your power to exclude us from everything. You expect us to die, die, die. Evil is what you people are...Evil for destroying a people capable of advance civilization that could help all of humanity with its ability to feed the world and find cures for diseases, but no it is KILL WHITEY. KILL HIM NOW. NO the evil white male must die.

You call me every name under the sun, but are you truly sinless yourself? What kind of a person would work to destroy a entire race and its cultures.

 

[JakeStarkey]

USAR's arguments have been repeatedly debunked. The judge will rule against the plaintifs and order a fine for frivolous filing.

 

[ScienceRocks]

It's no secret that Stormfront was started by a Ku Klux Klan leader.

Well, yes.

Did you know that presidents and a large part of the middle class in the 1910's into the 1920's were part of the klan(second Klan). It was a large part of this country...Today whites are expected to hate our selfs and to give up our culture. As blacks and meso's push theirs within our schools and media.

Were there bad people within the klan, sure, but bad people are within every group. It's part of reality that is so. Don Black cares about the survival of his race. A good person.

 

[USArmyRetired]

No reasonable doubt exists that he was born anywhere else other than in Hawaii.

American law trumps British law on matters of American citizenship.

Barak Hussein Obama did not say that, did he?

USAR you are a racist, bigoted American who hates the Constitution. Your kind has no influence.

No, please answer. That is Obama's campaign website. He used it in 08. One more time. If American law trumps British law, why did Obama feel compelled to state on his website verified by Factcheck that his birth status was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948 rather than the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution? Come on, answer.

And by the way, I love the Constitution.

Tell the truth, USAR. Barak H. Obama did not say that, did he? And the 14th has nothing to do with this at all. Go read your Constitution, USAR.

He doesn't have to say it. It's affirmed on his campaign website like other candidates have things pertaining to them confirming their backgrounds on their official websites. That's what campaign websites are for. If it was not true then Obama's campaign team would have removed it. It has been their since 08.

 

[Lakhota]

It's no secret that Stormfront was started by a Ku Klux Klan leader.

Well, yes.

Did you know that presidents and a large part of the middle class in the 1910's into the 1920's were part of the klan. It was a large part of this country...Today whites are expected to hate our selfs and to give up our culture. As blacks and meso's push theirs within our schools and media.

Were there bad people within the klan, sure, but bad people are within every group. It is part of reality. Don Black cares about the survival of his race.

Rational people grow out of it. BTW, why is/was Don Black a member of the American Nazi Party? Also, why is Black banned from entering the United Kingdom?