Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom FROM Religion Foundation Complaint

[SweetSue92]

my husband chides me for thinking people who know the bible and are not christians are all fallen southern baptist...i left the church at the age of decision...12....

That's really small minded of you. Your husband is right

 

[SweetSue92]

If you have that much problem with a prayer starting a meeting...

stay in the hall til after the prayer is over.

Why should people attending a meeting "stay in the hall til after the prayer is over"? Why don't the people who want to pray gather in the hall before the meeting starts? The meeting should be secular and anyone who wants some sort of "divine guidance" has ample opportunity to seek it outside the meeting. It should not be included in the agenda of the meeting.

If they find prayer so offensive, they have every right to stay as far away from it as they can.

No one is forcing them to attend the meeting.

These meeting are held to attend to PUBLIC business that affects all regardless of religion. Why can't these people who want to pray so hard do their praying before or after? You seem not to understand the concept.

Who's the guy in the picture? Some guy from your religion? What relevance does your picture have to the public's business? If you like him, go to whatever house of worship he's in and go listen to him. Nobody is stopping you.

Absolutely clueless start to finish

 

[SweetSue92]

School prayer?

they allow Christians to pray in school now?

I thought only Muslims were allowed that privilege.

No, and I think that you know that prayer organized and let by the school is not allowed. I mentioned that as an example of how religion sanctioned by government can and does alienate others

As for your little Muslim dig -any group can have their own private pray session on campus and no one is given favoritism

Liberals love them some Muslims, always. They will go to the mat to uphold Muslims' right to pray anywhere, anytime, even on gov't time and dime, even if it disrupts the school day or whatnot.

This is what "DIVERSITY" has done to their brains.

The fun and games really start when gay progressives start heavily defending Islam. Boy oh boy. Just sit back and watch...

(Hint: this is currently destroying Europe, clueless liberals, but nevermind that)

 

[Lysistrata]

If you have that much problem with a prayer starting a meeting...

stay in the hall til after the prayer is over.

Why should people attending a meeting "stay in the hall til after the prayer is over"? Why don't the people who want to pray gather in the hall before the meeting starts? The meeting should be secular and anyone who wants some sort of "divine guidance" has ample opportunity to seek it outside the meeting. It should not be included in the agenda of the meeting.

If they find prayer so offensive, they have every right to stay as far away from it as they can.

No one is forcing them to attend the meeting.

These meeting are held to attend to PUBLIC business that affects all regardless of religion. Why can't these people who want to pray so hard do their praying before or after? You seem not to understand the concept.

Who's the guy in the picture? Some guy from your religion? What relevance does your picture have to the public's business? If you like him, go to whatever house of worship he's in and go listen to him. Nobody is stopping you.

Absolutely clueless start to finish

So, Sweet Sue, who is this guy? How does he have anything to do with the public's business?

 

[bodecea]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


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Open up a Pandora's box on religion and look what happens.

 

[jillian]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


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Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face. We aren’t a “Christian country”. We were founded by deists who hated the nutcases and wanted you as far from the government as possible.

Now be a good boy and worry about real things. Like the fact that the orange sociopath thinks it’s ok to assault and murder journalists.

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face.

Bill of Rights gives them Freedom of Religion...

why should they hide?

Nd ramming your radical religious theocracy down our throats violates my feeedkm of religion. You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law

Your “argument” is pathetic

 

[Auld Phart]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


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Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face. We aren’t a “Christian country”. We were founded by deists who hated the nutcases and wanted you as far from the government as possible.

Now be a good boy and worry about real things. Like the fact that the orange sociopath thinks it’s ok to assault and murder journalists.

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face.

Bill of Rights gives them Freedom of Religion...

why should they hide?

Nd ramming your radical religious theocracy down our throats violates my feeedkm of religion. You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law

Your “argument” is pathetic

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

 

[easyt65]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face. We aren’t a “Christian country”. We were founded by deists who hated the nutcases and wanted you as far from the government as possible.

Now be a good boy and worry about real things. Like the fact that the orange sociopath thinks it’s ok to assault and murder journalists.

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face.

Bill of Rights gives them Freedom of Religion...

why should they hide?

Nd ramming your radical religious theocracy down our throats violates my feeedkm of religion. You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law

Your “argument” is pathetic

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

 

[Lysistrata]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face. We aren’t a “Christian country”. We were founded by deists who hated the nutcases and wanted you as far from the government as possible.

Now be a good boy and worry about real things. Like the fact that the orange sociopath thinks it’s ok to assault and murder journalists.

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face.

Bill of Rights gives them Freedom of Religion...

why should they hide?

Nd ramming your radical religious theocracy down our throats violates my feeedkm of religion. You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law

Your “argument” is pathetic

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

 

[Lysistrata]

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face. We aren’t a “Christian country”. We were founded by deists who hated the nutcases and wanted you as far from the government as possible.

Now be a good boy and worry about real things. Like the fact that the orange sociopath thinks it’s ok to assault and murder journalists.

Actually for the rest of us to have freedom of religion you theocratics need to get out if our face.

Bill of Rights gives them Freedom of Religion...

why should they hide?

Nd ramming your radical religious theocracy down our throats violates my feeedkm of religion. You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law

Your “argument” is pathetic

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

 

[Auld Phart]

Bill of Rights gives them Freedom of Religion...

why should they hide?

Nd ramming your radical religious theocracy down our throats violates my feeedkm of religion. You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law

Your “argument” is pathetic

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

 

[martybegan]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


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They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

The armed forces have chaplains, as do most police departments. They also have shrinks for those of a secular bent looking for emotional, mental or spiritual help.

They are not paid usually, and thus don't count as government actors.

This isn't about neutrality when it comes from those Freedom from religion asshats, they want all religious activities forced behind closed doors because religion makes them butthurt.

 

[martybegan]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

 

[OldLady]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


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Maybe they can just do their praying on their own time, instead, huh? Like most people?

 

[Auld Phart]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


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Maybe they can just do their praying on their own time, instead, huh? Like most people?

Maybe we should rewrite the First Amendment?

Go from: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


to: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, xx xxxxxxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx or abridging the freedom of speech,or of the press; (unless they say something I don't like) or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, (unless they are meeting to promote a position or candidate I don't like)and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

[easyt65]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


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Maybe they can just do their praying on their own time, instead, huh? Like most people?

Like I said, don't participate if you don't want to.

There are schools in NY that have built / provided PRAYER ROOMS for Muslims....no prayer rooms for Christians. Isn't that respecting / honoring / appeasing one religion over another?

 

[Lysistrata]

Nd ramming your radical religious theocracy down our throats violates my feeedkm of religion. You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law

Your “argument” is pathetic

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

 

[Auld Phart]

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

 

[easyt65]

"You can’t have religious freedom if wackos think their religion should be enacted into law"

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

Public Theater?

You must be thinking of every time Hillary speaks...

 

[easyt65]

Snowflakes DON'T want Christians to pray, especially Christians and actively attempt to stop it.

Snowflakes DO want Muslims to Pray, even in public, and go as far as building special prayer rooms in schools for Muslims.

Snowflakes do not want peace, civility, or Unity through prayer in public, but they do want violent protests, violent intolerance, to control others by doing things like dictating when and where people can pray, and don't consider attempted assassinations of conservatives to be a problem or lack of Civility - they openly call for MORE.

Got it. Thanks, snowflakes...