Zone1 Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline

[cnm]

Do you know ANYTHING about the Incas? Or the Aztecs. God had enough of these violent cultures

Yeah, right.

 

[SweetSue92]

The haters posting in this thread won't even see or comprehend the destruction coming to a nation that abandons God.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not proper;

Oh I think they do. It's either denial or fear talking.

 

[SweetSue92]

You DO NOT need an oligarcy created policing system, made up of fantasy characters and lies in order to learn or teach morality, honesty, and ethics to anybody!

In fact, religion is THE most screwed up organization to be teaching anybody anything!! It's all lies and hypocrisy!


People have been slowly "getting it" over the past many decades, of how phony, corrupt, and hypocritical religion and its "leaders" are. These "leaders" don't care about people, only what these poor suckers can GIVE THEM to make them more powerful, more rich, and more narcissistically psychotic.

I've seen it with my own eyes in every different kind of religion there is. Religion goes by many different names and promotes many different fantasy beings........but they are ALL THE SAME when it comes to the money-grubbing, power hungry, psychologically deranged dictators that get off on these massive ego trips, using and abusing their "flock".

You're talking about the Covid Cult, right? The people who screeched at us about a piece of cotton over our faces and told us if we didn't get the defunct shots we were "killing grandma"?

Because that's the most pervasive religion I see in America now. Progressivism

 

[Stann]

A sad reality in many places. Will new generations live a righteous life without the guidance of a clear moral authority?

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year – probably accelerated by Covid

www.theguardian.com

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline​

Churches are closing at rapid numbers in the US, researchers say, as congregations dwindle across the country and a younger generation of Americans abandon Christianity altogether – even as faith continues to dominate American politics.

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year in the country – a figure that experts believe may have accelerated since the Covid-19 pandemic.


The situation means some hard decisions for pastors, who have to decide when a dwindling congregation is no longer sustainable. But it has also created a boom market for those wanting to buy churches, with former houses of worship now finding new life.


About 4,500 Protestant churches closed in 2019, the last year data is available, with about 3,000 new churches opening, according to Lifeway Research. It was the first time the number of churches in the US hadn’t grown since the evangelical firm started studying the topic. With the pandemic speeding up a broader trend of Americans turning away from Christianity, researchers say the closures will only have accelerated.

“The closures, even for a temporary period of time, impacted a lot of churches. People breaking that habit of attending church means a lot of churches had to work hard to get people back to attending again,” said Scott McConnell, executive director at Lifeway Research.

“In the last three years, all signs are pointing to a continued pace of closures probably similar to 2019 or possibly higher, as there’s been a really rapid rise in American individuals who say they’re not religious.”

They backed trump. If they're willing to trade your souls for some supposed worldly gain, how much respect does that get you. NONE !

 

[SweetSue92]

They backed trump. If they're willing to trade your souls for some supposed worldly gain, how much respect does that get you. NONE !

WHO backed Trump?

 

[Red Front]

A sad reality in many places. Will new generations live a righteous life without the guidance of a clear moral authority?

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year – probably accelerated by Covid

www.theguardian.com

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline​

Churches are closing at rapid numbers in the US, researchers say, as congregations dwindle across the country and a younger generation of Americans abandon Christianity altogether – even as faith continues to dominate American politics.

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year in the country – a figure that experts believe may have accelerated since the Covid-19 pandemic.


The situation means some hard decisions for pastors, who have to decide when a dwindling congregation is no longer sustainable. But it has also created a boom market for those wanting to buy churches, with former houses of worship now finding new life.


About 4,500 Protestant churches closed in 2019, the last year data is available, with about 3,000 new churches opening, according to Lifeway Research. It was the first time the number of churches in the US hadn’t grown since the evangelical firm started studying the topic. With the pandemic speeding up a broader trend of Americans turning away from Christianity, researchers say the closures will only have accelerated.

“The closures, even for a temporary period of time, impacted a lot of churches. People breaking that habit of attending church means a lot of churches had to work hard to get people back to attending again,” said Scott McConnell, executive director at Lifeway Research.

“In the last three years, all signs are pointing to a continued pace of closures probably similar to 2019 or possibly higher, as there’s been a really rapid rise in American individuals who say they’re not religious.”

Why are Christians surprised about that? The so called "church" isn't supposed to be a building or religious fraternity club that you attend once or twice a week. That was never the church according to the Christian NT. The Evangelicals also lack spiritual power and character, often being just as worldly and vain as the lost they're supposedly trying to draw to their savior and faith. Modern, Western Christianity is a bad joke. You conform to the world and have created your own "gospel" and "Christianity", that has nothing to do with the 1st century original. which was full of spiritual power and grace.


Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that any of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Master Yahshua: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Act 4:36 And Joseph, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabah, which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation, a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.


Act 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising Elohim, and having favour with all the people. And our Sovereign added to the assembly daily such as should be saved.

When Christians start obeying their savior, maybe the world will notice and take interest. Isn't that what their savior and lord said?

Joh 17:22 And the honor which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The world will know that your savior and lord was sent to the world, when his earthly body, the community of disciples, becomes one. This is radical love and commitment to the supposed savior and lord that Christians supposedly believe in and serve. Obedience, being subject to their supposed heavenly king. Christians today are spiritually, and morally impotent and hypocritical. The "lost" see it, there's no divine power or authority in the so-called "churches" of America today. You're a lost cause due to your lack of commitment and genuineness. No power or grace, just a religious club of mammon-worshiping, worldly counterfeit disciples. A den of carnal imposters. The world doesn't witness your savior and lord in you.

Your "salvation package" comes with a sin option and that renders it devoid of power and grace. It's a cheap caricature of the original.
Mat 25:42 For I was hungry, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Master, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life everlasting.


Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the honor of Yahweh shall be thy rear guard.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and Yahweh shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Isa 58:11 And Yahweh shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.


Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the High Prince (Sar Gadol) which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.


Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning


Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.


Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the assemblies.


Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the honor of Yahweh shall be thy rear guard.


Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that any of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Master Yahshua: and great grace was upon them all.


Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh_15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh_15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.


Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Mat 25:42 For I was hungry, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.


Are American Evangelicals or Evangelicals anywhere, opening their own doors to the homeless in their communities? Are you allowing the homeless, especially your fellow Christians who are homeless, to live in your home? Are you providing them with housing? Your supposed savior and lord didn't give you a suggestion, but rather a command. It wasn't a divine suggestion but rather an order from your supposed king. If you're offended that I'm not writing it "Savior", "Lord" or "King", why? You don't obey him.

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He didn't command you to pack human beings like sardines in a small room or little warehouse a.k.a "homeless shelter", infested with bedbugs and people farting and coughing on each other. That's not what your supposed savior and king ordered you to do if you're truly his disciple. He said open your door, to your home, and let at least one of them in. Now if you don't have that level of commitment and love for your savior and his human creation, well then there's a divinely created and approved institution called "government". The government will house, feed, and provide medical care, case management i.e. social workers, drug rehab, job vocational training, and even employment, everything that they need to get back on their feet.

Homeless shelters are not the answer, "Christian missions" that require the homeless to join a religious, nine-month, isolated, in-shelter "discipleship program" before they get access to the resources that they need to be permanently housed, and employed. etc, isn't the solution for homelessness at a national scale. Either you open the doors of your "Christian homes" to the homeless, allowing the homeless to live in your house or apartment, or you let the government do it. And yes, just like you go to Dennys with your Christian brethren after church services, and you spend $20, $50.etc to eat that Sunday "fellowship lunch" in a local restaurant, you can pay an extra $20 monthly in taxes to your local or state government to properly house all of the homeless, in your city or state. If you're not willing to do that, then obey your savior and let at least one homeless person or family, live in your house or apartment with you. Otherwise, you're a counterfeit disciple. You're not a Christian and this lost and hurting world knows that.

How many so-called "Christians" during the Covid pandemic were refusing to wear a mask in public venues, saying to the world that they're supposedly trying to draw to their savior :

"Hey, I know we're in the middle of a deadly, nationwide pandemic, but I'm a rebel like a devil, hence I don't allow the government or any earthly authority to tell me what to do with my face, in crowded, public places. If I get infected and then infect others, so what? I'll turn to the community I flipped a finger to, for help at a local hospital, taking a bed and a respirator away from someone else, because I'm a Christian disciple of my savior and lord. I'm a "born again", "spirit-filled" believer, I don't care about you lost, worldly people, getting infected with a deadly virus. I'll get infected, then I will infect you, and your grandma, then turn to the general community I essentially told to go to hell, for help to treat my deadly infection. I'm so full of my savior and lord, that I don't need to to to to to to wear a mask in crowded, public venues."

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Why is Christianity becoming irrelevant in America? All of the above. You're all a bunch of counterfeit disciples, possessed by a demonic rebel spirit called "mammon" and "me, myself and I". The spirit of the dog-eat-dog, PornHub, and everything that is contrary to the Kingdom of YHWH. You're uncommitted to the battle, trying to lay fancy carpets in your foxholes. What do you want? Drywall too? A roof with satellite TV and WIFI installed? You're in the battlefield of mortal life. This life is a war against the enemy of YHWH, and His Son, that's why you are here. You're supposed to be a governor in training, that will one day govern the nations, under the authority of your King. You refuse to do what he commanded, trying to amass treasures here rather than in heaven. YHWH has no use for the American Evangelical "church" i.e. circus.

The Son of the Living God commanded His disciples to make disciples, not clowns.​

 

[SweetSue92]

Why are Christians surprised about that? The so called "church" isn't supposed to be a building or religious fraternity club that you attend once or twice a week. That was never the church according to the Christian NT. The Evangelicals also lack spiritual power and character, often being just as worldly and vain as the lost they're supposedly trying to draw to their savior and faith. Modern, Western Christianity is a bad joke. You conform to the world and have created your own "gospel" and "Christianity", that has nothing to do with the 1st century original. which was full of spiritual power and grace.


Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that any of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Master Yahshua: and great grace was upon them all.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Act 4:36 And Joseph, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabah, which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation, a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.


Act 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising Elohim, and having favour with all the people. And our Sovereign added to the assembly daily such as should be saved.

When Christians start obeying their savior, maybe the world will take notice and take interest. Isn't that what their savior and lord said?

Joh 17:22 And the honor which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

The world will know that your savior and lord was sent to the world, when his earthly body, the community of disciples, becomes one. This is radical love and commitment to the supposed savior and lord that Christians supposedly believe in and serve. Obedience, being subject to their supposed heavenly king. Christians today are spiritually, and morally impotent and hypocritical. The "lost" see it, there's no divine power or authority in the so-called "churches" of America today. You're a lost cause due to your lack of commitment and genuineness. No power or grace, just a religious club of mammon-worshiping, worldly counterfeit disciples. A den of carnal imposters. The world doesn't witness your savior and lord in you.
Your "salvation package" comes with a sin option and that renders it devoid of power and grace. It's a cheap caricature of the original.
Mat 25:42 For I was hungry, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Master, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life everlasting.
Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the honor of Yahweh shall be thy rear guard.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and Yahweh shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Isa 58:11 And Yahweh shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the High Prince (Sar Gadol) which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.

Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars forever and ever.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the assemblies.

Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the honor of Yahweh shall be thy rear guard.

Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that any of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Master Yahshua: and great grace was upon them all.


Joh_15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Joh_15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Joh_15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Mat 25:42 For I was hungry, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Are American Evangelicals or Evangelicals anywhere, opening their own to the homeless in their communities? Are you allowing the homeless, especially your fellow Christians who are homeless, to live in your home? Are you providing them with housing? Your supposed savior and lord didn't give you a suggestion, but rather a command. It wasn't a divine suggestion but rather an order from your supposed king. If you're offended that I'm not writing it "Savior", "Lord" or "King", why? You don't obey him.

​

He didn't command you to pack human beings like sardines in a small room or little warehouse a.k.a "homeless shelter", infested with bedbugs and people farting and coughing on each other. That's not what your supposed savior and king ordered you to do if you're truly his disciple. He said open your door, to your home, and let them in. Now if you don't have that level of commitment and love for your savior and his human creation, well then there's a divinely created and approved institution called "government". The government will house, feed, and provide medical care, case management i.e. social workers, drug rehab, job vocational training, and even employment, everything that they need to get back on their feet.

Homeless shelters are not the answer, "Christian missions" that require the homeless to join a religious, nine-month, isolated, in-shelter "discipleship program" before they get access to the resources that they need to be permanently housed, and employed. etc, isn't the solution for homelessness at a national scale. Either you open the doors of your "Christian homes" to the homeless, allowing the homeless to live in your house or apartment, or you let the government do it. And yes, just like you go to Dennys with your Christian brethren after church services, and you spend $20, $50.etc to eat that Sunday "fellowship lunch" in a local restaurant, you can pay an extra $20 monthly in taxes to your local or state government to house all of the homeless in your city or state. If you're not willing to do that, then obey your savior and let the homeless live in your house or apartment with you. To otherwise makes you a counterfeit disciple. You're not a Christian and the world knows that.


How many so-called "Christians" during the Covid pandemic were refusing to wear a mask in public venues, saying with a southern twang to the world that they're supposedly trying to draw to their savior :

"Hey, I know we're in the middle of a deadly, nationwide pandemic, but I'm a rebel like a devil, hence I don't allow the government or any earthly authority to tell me what to do with my face. If I get infected and then infect others, so what? I'll turn to the community I flipped a finger to, for help at a local hospital, taking a bed and a respirator away from someone else, because I'm a Christian disciple of my savior and lord. I'm a "born again", "spirit-filled" believer in baby Jesus, I don't care about you lost, worldly people. I'll get infected, then I will infect you, and your grandma, then turn to the general community I essentially told to go to hell, for help to treat my deadly infection. I'm so full of my savior and lord, that I don't need to to to to to to wear a mask in crowded, public venues"

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Why is Christianity becoming irrelevant in America? All of the above. You're all a bunch of counterfeit disciples, possessed by a demonic rebel spirit called "mammon" and "me, myself and I". The spirit of the dog-eat dog, PornHub, and everything that is contrary to the Kingdom of YHWH. You're uncommitted to the battle, trying to lay fancy carpets in your foxholes. What do you want? Drywall too? A roof with a sattelite TV and WIFI? You're in the battlefield. This carnal life is war against the enemy of YHWH, and His Son, that's why you are here. You're supposed to be a governor in training, that will one day government the nations, under the authority of your King.

I will pray for you. You have attempted to put Christianity over your true religion, which is Communism.

The mask thing is a colossal joke.

 

[Red Front]

I will pray for you. You have attempted to put Christianity over your true religion, which is Communism.

The mask thing is a colossal joke.

You can't have true Christianity without Communism. Until you figure that out, you will continue being a fake disciple. Your refusal to wear a mask in crowded places in the middle of a deadly, nationwide pandemic, reveals the actual spirit that is inside of you. It's not the Spirit of YHWH, the Holy One of Israel, that's for sure.

 

[SweetSue92]

You can't have true Christianity without Communism. Until you figure that out, you will continue being a fake disciple. Your refusal to wear a mask in crowded places in the middle of a deadly, nationwide pandemic, reveals the actual spirit that is inside of you. It's not the Spirit of YHWH, the Holy One of Israel, that's for sure.

You have no reason nor right to judge Christians who have been in this for 20+ years, let alone on such flimsy premises.

For just one thing the passages you want to hinge State Communism on is actually just the Church acting like the Church--with each other. You realize the passage is about instructions for the Church...right?

PS Jesus Christ sits at the Right Hand of God--He is not to be used for your political goals.

 

[JoeB131]

Religion is a congregated like-mindedness of people that believe in one specific ideal, making it a gloified, managed organization of that ideal.

Atheists are a religion.

Making life unpleasant is a cavernous difference from making human suffering and human slaughtering in your fantasy characters' names.

Atheism is no more a religion than "off" is a TV channel. Or Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Jesus Himself prophesied there would be a great "falling away" before the Tribulation. We are seeing that now.

Uh, where in the Gospels did Jesus actually say that?
St. Paul said that. (Or epistles attributed to Paul).

Jesus never said any such thing. Why would he? In his lifetime, his movement was just a handful of people. (If he existed at all.)

 

[Red Front]

You have no reason nor right to judge Christians who have been in this for 20+ years, let alone on such flimsy premises.

For just one thing the passages you want to hinge State Communism on is actually just the Church acting like the Church--with each other. You realize the passage is about instructions for the Church...right?

PS Jesus Christ sits at the Right Hand of God--He is not to be used for your political goals.

Is that your judgment? Do you have the right to judge and condemn me for judging supposed Christians who should know better due to supposedly being disciples of Yeshua for 20+ years? What or who determined that I can't judge you, but you can judge me? You and your "Christian" brethren are imposters. You have nothing to do with YHWH, the God of Israel. You're all a bunch of self-serving, misanthropic, idolatrous, demon-possessed pagans and the world can see that, hence your "churches" are closing. Good.

As far as what you read in those passages, about feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. In Isaiah, it was for the whole nation. In your "NT", one can argue, as you're doing now, that the commandment to feed the hungry and house the homeless is only within the context of the body of Messiah. Yes indeed. However, you and your ilk (fake disciples), don't even obey this divine commandment within the "church" either. There are many homeless Christians in America, that are not being cared for in the way your supposed savior commanded.

More, why can't non-Christians or the world, create infrastructure to house and feed all of the homeless? Why can't the world, or non-Christians, establish a society where everyone has a basic human right to be housed, fed, and receive healthcare, education, and employment? Your supposed savior and king, will throw you and your fellow fake disciples into hell, for not opening their doors to homeless Christians. The modern, Western world sees Christianity and "Christians" like you as irrelevant, ignorant, hypocritical, and destructive. That's exactly what you are. Enjoy seeing more of your "churches" close. Good riddance.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh I think they do. It's either denial or fear talking.

Quite the contrary, the world will be better off once we evolve past bronze age superstitions.

At one time, witch burnings were common. Why? The Bible told us to burn them. Of course, there were no actual witches, just women who practices folk medicine and the occasional mentally ill person who heard voices in their heads. But Christians Burned them anyway. Until they didn't. God didn't change his mind, we changed ours.

We had slavery until the 19th century. Why? Because the Bible told us slavery was okay. Of course, one human being owning another was never okay. God didn't change his mind, we changed ours.

You're talking about the Covid Cult, right? The people who screeched at us about a piece of cotton over our faces and told us if we didn't get the defunct shots we were "killing grandma"?

Because that's the most pervasive religion I see in America now. Progressivism

Those masks and shot prevented Covid from being much worse than it was. Countries that didn't turn masks and shots into a social issue had much lower death rates than we had.

I will pray for you. You have attempted to put Christianity over your true religion, which is Communism.

The mask thing is a colossal joke.

but pouring some water on your baby to protect them from the devil, that's perfectly rational.

 

[cnm]

WHO backed Trump?

The Evangelicals.

Didn't you get the sermon?

 

[SweetSue92]

Is that your judgment? Do you have the right to judge and condemn me for judging supposed Christians who should know better due to supposedly being disciples of Yeshua for 20+ years? What or who determined that I can't judge you, but you can judge me? You and your "Christian" brethren are imposters. You have nothing to do with YHWH, the God of Israel. You're all a bunch of self-serving, misanthropic, idolatrous, demon-possessed pagans and the world can see that, hence your "churches" are closing. Good.

As far as what you read in those passages, about feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. In Isaiah, it was for the whole nation. In your "NT", one can argue, as you're doing now, that the commandment to feed the hungry and house the homeless is only within the context of the body of Messiah. Yes indeed. However, you and your ilk (fake disciples), don't even obey this divine commandment within the "church" either. There are many homeless Christians in America, that are not being cared for in the way your supposed savior commanded.

More, why can't non-Christians or the world, create infrastructure to house and feed all of the homeless? Why can't the world, or non-Christians, establish a society where everyone has a basic human right to be housed, fed, and receive healthcare, education, and employment? Your supposed savior and king, will throw you and your fellow fake disciples into hell, for not opening their doors to homeless Christians. The modern, Western world sees Christianity and "Christians" like you as irrelevant, ignorant, hypocritical, and destructive. That's exactly what you are. Enjoy seeing more of your "churches" close. Good riddance.

So now you have taken Judgment Seat of Christ--telling me who and who cannot be in Heaven.

Are you okay?

Serious question.

 

[Blues Man]

A sad reality in many places. Will new generations live a righteous life without the guidance of a clear moral authority?

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year – probably accelerated by Covid

www.theguardian.com

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline​

Churches are closing at rapid numbers in the US, researchers say, as congregations dwindle across the country and a younger generation of Americans abandon Christianity altogether – even as faith continues to dominate American politics.

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year in the country – a figure that experts believe may have accelerated since the Covid-19 pandemic.


The situation means some hard decisions for pastors, who have to decide when a dwindling congregation is no longer sustainable. But it has also created a boom market for those wanting to buy churches, with former houses of worship now finding new life.


About 4,500 Protestant churches closed in 2019, the last year data is available, with about 3,000 new churches opening, according to Lifeway Research. It was the first time the number of churches in the US hadn’t grown since the evangelical firm started studying the topic. With the pandemic speeding up a broader trend of Americans turning away from Christianity, researchers say the closures will only have accelerated.

“The closures, even for a temporary period of time, impacted a lot of churches. People breaking that habit of attending church means a lot of churches had to work hard to get people back to attending again,” said Scott McConnell, executive director at Lifeway Research.

“In the last three years, all signs are pointing to a continued pace of closures probably similar to 2019 or possibly higher, as there’s been a really rapid rise in American individuals who say they’re not religious.”

You don't need religion to live a moral life.

 

[Red Front]

So now you have taken Judgment Seat of Christ--telling me who and who cannot be in Heaven.

Are you okay?

Serious question.

That's silly. You're pretending to be stupid now. If the one you call "Christ" has explicitly stated that he will cast people into hell for not feeding and housing homeless Christians or the poor, and you refuse to do that, then it's clear that you're not a true believer or disciple. You're not interested in truth, but in simply feeling warm and fuzzy inside. That's really your god. The warm and fuzzy. You're not a genuine truth seeker, much less a disciple of Christ. That's clear to anyone who simply reads what this man you call "Jesus" said. His name wasn't even Jesus.

Most people don't have a problem with Jesus, their repulsion and contempt is directed at people who pretend to be his disciples. Posers.

 

[SweetSue92]

That's silly. You're pretending to be stupid now. If the one you call "Christ" has explicitly stated that he will cast people into hell for not feeding and housing homeless Christians or the poor, and you refuse to do that, then it's clear that you're not a true believer or disciple. You're not interested in truth, but in simply feeling warm and fuzzy inside. That's really your god. The warm and fuzzy. You're not a genuine truth seeker, much less a disciple of Christ. That's clear to anyone who simply reads what this man you call "Jesus" said. His name wasn't even Jesus.

I have seen this so many times--an immature, judgey faith arrived at due to political reasons, or something else.

You're wrong about so many things but you can't listen. You're really too old to be so vehement and capricious. That's why I ask if you're okay....really.

 

[shockedcanadian]

You don't need religion to live a moral life.

Though those nations without God have proven to be some of the worst nations in which to exist. Faith in a righteous pursuit based on a higher power is very influential.

 

[Red Front]

I have seen this so many times--an immature, judgey faith arrived at due to political reasons, or something else.

You're wrong about so many things but you can't listen. You're really too old to be so vehement and capricious. That's why I ask if you're okay....really.

You're judging now that my "judgey faith" is immature and due to political reasons or whatever. So "SweetSue" has the right to judge others, but if someone else judges her, they're supposedly wrong for doing that and mentally and emotionally disturbed. How convenient. Her accusation that I'm politicizing faith is quite ironic since American Evangelicals are the very epidemy of religious adherents mixing their faith with politics.

 

[SweetSue92]

You're judging now that my "judgey faith" is immature and due to political reasons or whatever. So "SweetSue" has the right to judge others, but if someone else judges her, they're supposedly wrong for doing that and mentally and emotionally disturbed. How convenient.

Dude you have written an entire treatise here on why my faith is wrong and Jesus will throw me into Hell.

Did you MEAN to jet right to "judgey Christian" when you took up the faith? Because that's not it.