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Wow, you asshats didn't get the tongue in cheek reference at all. Humorless bores.
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The CBO is anything but reliable. They simply make calculations based on the assumptions and information given. The Dems figured out how to game the system by inputting unrealistic assumptions. The GOP is being rude enough to call them on this.
Obamacare is a fiscal nightmare. How could it be otherwise? The American people understand this, with a majority believing it will add to the deficit, a correct belief btw.
"So the next time you hear an insurance industry flack or apologist complain about those "measly" profit margins, don't buy it. Their "reframing" is nothing more than an attempt to take your mind off the tragedies these companies cause for so many Americans every single day."
So what?...Y'alll didn't give a shit about the polls then, why should anyone care now?
So what?...Y'alll didn't give a shit about the polls then, why should anyone care now?
Which polls? The ones that said that the Health Care reform should go much further than it did? Or perhaps the polls that showed a majority of Americans wanting a public option? Those polls?
Losing the fiscal argument on health care, Republicans try to discredit the referees
Friday, January 21, 2011
It's the age of civility in American politics, but there's one institution that's been civil all along: the Congressional Budget Office (sorry, but sometimes civility is boring). The nonpartisan agency, which calculates the official cost of legislation for Congress, speaks in the polite language of actuarial tables, refuses to reliably please or disappoint either party and is the closest thing American politics has to an umpire. And the Republicans are getting sick and tired of it.
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So what?...Y'alll didn't give a shit about the polls then, why should anyone care now?
Which polls? The ones that said that the Health Care reform should go much further than it did? Or perhaps the polls that showed a majority of Americans wanting a public option? Those polls?
show us what you got!
Just about everybody wants everything, especially if they can be conned into beliving that everyone else is going to pay for it.Which polls? The ones that said that the Health Care reform should go much further than it did? Or perhaps the polls that showed a majority of Americans wanting a public option? Those polls?
show us what you got!
Most in U.S. want public health option: poll | Reuters
Without Public Option, Enthusiasm for Health Care Reform, Especially Among Democrats, Collapses - Rasmussen Reports
Health Care Poll: Support For A Public Option At An All Time High
Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option - CBS News
Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds - washingtonpost.com
Polling Numbers for Health Care, Public Option Polls - Polls
Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option : NPR
CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action
Poll: Many voters think healthcare reform didn't go far enough - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
Repeal? Most Americans think health reform did not go far enough, poll finds | The Raw Story
How Polls Divided Americans on Obama
"Obamacare" does not choose your doctor for you. You can keep your doctor.Weird how some thinks that people are too stupid to handle their own healthcare decisions,too stupid to pick their own Doctors and too ignorant to make other choices but thinks those same dumbasses are smart enough to vote in politicians who have all the answers,won't be bought off by special interests or do things to concentrate more power for them and their allies.
"Obamacare" does not choose your doctor for you. You can keep your doctor.Weird how some thinks that people are too stupid to handle their own healthcare decisions,too stupid to pick their own Doctors and too ignorant to make other choices but thinks those same dumbasses are smart enough to vote in politicians who have all the answers,won't be bought off by special interests or do things to concentrate more power for them and their allies.
Unfortunately, those against it have lied about that, as well as made up tales of death panels.
I don't know if Obamacare is the whole answer or even the right answer. But what we should be able to agree on is that the HC system is BROKEN and only getting worse. People who got sick or injured were going bankrupt because they couldn't afford the HC premiums. And when the hospitals couldn't collect on the bills they would simply pass the costs onto the rest of us.
Forcing people to buy HC coverage and subsidizing premiums for the lower income only promotes social responsibility. No longer will it be acceptable to expect everyone else to pay for your decision to not buy HC. That's why I agreed with forcing people to buy auto insurance.
I say give Obamacare a chance to work and solve the problems as they occur.
Just about everybody wants everything, especially if they can be conned into beliving that everyone else is going to pay for it.show us what you got!
Most in U.S. want public health option: poll | Reuters
Without Public Option, Enthusiasm for Health Care Reform, Especially Among Democrats, Collapses - Rasmussen Reports
Health Care Poll: Support For A Public Option At An All Time High
Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option - CBS News
Most support public option for health insurance, poll finds - washingtonpost.com
Polling Numbers for Health Care, Public Option Polls - Polls
Poll Finds Most Doctors Support Public Option : NPR
CBS Poll: For Many, Health Care Reform Does Not Go Far Enough | FDL Action
Poll: Many voters think healthcare reform didn't go far enough - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room
Repeal? Most Americans think health reform did not go far enough, poll finds | The Raw Story
How Polls Divided Americans on Obama
Try catching up on your Bastiat. The Law, by Frederic Bastiat
Right...When your crammed-down-the-throat policy goes over like a turd in the punch bowl, it's best to get your name dissociated from it post haste.I love the word "Obamacare"; Obama cares. I suppose some Republicans care but the leadership's care seems to be focused on the Republican Party's future, not my future, your future or our kid's futures.
Blaming Obama for the rise in the cost of medical care and getting people to believe it is masterful. If only the Republican leadership were honest the problems might be more easily defined (pointing fingers is easy, defining problems not so much) and compromise might lead to win-win solutons. As it stands we are watching a zero sum game played out by the Republican leadership which assures losers.
being able to talk about it for a year does not equal rammed down your throat
The CBO is anything but reliable. They simply make calculations based on the assumptions and information given. The Dems figured out how to game the system by inputting unrealistic assumptions. The GOP is being rude enough to call them on this.
Obamacare is a fiscal nightmare. How could it be otherwise? The American people understand this, with a majority believing it will add to the deficit, a correct belief btw.
yeah the article covers your post as well:
You can play whack-a-mole with this stuff all day. But beneath it is something more insidious: an effort to discredit the last truly neutral, truly respected scorekeeper in Washington. The facts don't support the particular case the Republicans want to make, so they're trying to take down the people who supply the facts. But once that's done, it can't easily be undone. And the true loser will be the very thing Republicans claim to care most about: the deficit.
Right...When your crammed-down-the-throat policy goes over like a turd in the punch bowl, it's best to get your name dissociated from it post haste.I love the word "Obamacare"; Obama cares. I suppose some Republicans care but the leadership's care seems to be focused on the Republican Party's future, not my future, your future or our kid's futures.
Blaming Obama for the rise in the cost of medical care and getting people to believe it is masterful. If only the Republican leadership were honest the problems might be more easily defined (pointing fingers is easy, defining problems not so much) and compromise might lead to win-win solutons. As it stands we are watching a zero sum game played out by the Republican leadership which assures losers.
being able to talk about it for a year does not equal rammed down your throat
I don't know if Obamacare is the whole answer or even the right answer. But what we should be able to agree on is that the HC system is BROKEN and only getting worse. People who got sick or injured were going bankrupt because they couldn't afford the HC premiums. And when the hospitals couldn't collect on the bills they would simply pass the costs onto the rest of us.
Forcing people to buy HC coverage and subsidizing premiums for the lower income only promotes social responsibility. No longer will it be acceptable to expect everyone else to pay for your decision to not buy HC. That's why I agreed with forcing people to buy auto insurance.
I say give Obamacare a chance to work and solve the problems as they occur.
Poll: Voters Want Congress to Focus on Jobs Before Health Care
A CBS News/New York Times survey out Thursday found 43 percent of Americans believe the most important thing for the new Congress to deal with is job creation -- compared to just 18 percent who say the top priority should be health care.
I don't know...
I think Obamacare is a rigged and gigged mess that will certainly be a catastophe if it's enacted.
WE agree on that.
And on that, too.
Those ideas, while possibly being sound will ALSO fail.
No argument from me on that, either.
The whole idea that the problem is merely one of funding is flawed.
Not a clue what the above means.
Well its a drop dead certainty that we won't reduce prices by throwning more money at HC, isn't it?
Is that a thought that is just too obvious to be understood in Washington?
I totally agree.
I've posted my objections to the current reforms many time on this board.
Don't try to build a pyramid; just pitch a tent for the guy who needs it for a night's sleep. Then use that tent tomorrow for the next guy and so on.
Don't know what the above means, either.
What I can tell you is that we cannot fix the HC problem by putting more people on government HC or by doing nothing, either.
We do not have a demand side problem.
Demand will expand to suck up every cent we throw into HC
We do have a supply side problem.
HC providers are making too god damned much money and there's not enough of them.
That's a SUPPLY SIDE problem.
Look, the whole theory of pricing depends on a theory that does NOT apply in HC.
The theory of man as a RATIONAL CONSUMER.
That's a preposterous assumption to begin with and an ESPECIALLY preposterous assumption when it comes to HC.
Absolutely correct! We are trying to operate a supply & demand business with a socialist funding scheme. The result is that everybody wants and gets the top level (and priced) care and does not even check the cost.
I and others on this board have conjectured that if this was the way cars were purchased we would all be driving some model from Rolls Royce.
Insurance companies are now adding cost components to their policies that force the policy holders to check the costs. The "Donut Hole" from Medicare is being built into employer provided plans so the employee suddenly foots all of the cost between a minimum threshold and the next threshhold.
The reason? To bring the market into play. In my plan, there used to be a co-pay from dollar one to a certain point at which 100% took over to a top end limit. Now there is a 100% cover to a threshold at which point I foot 100% to the next level and then there is an 80% co pay to the same limit where 100% coverage kicks in again.
There is now an incentive for me to stay under the first threshold and I am trying to do so.
The premiums stayed the same year to year. If I don't use much, I get a better return. If I use it all, it's the same. If I exceed the first threshold and get far enough into the Donut Hole, it cost me more.
In my case, it's working to accomplish the intended goal.
This approach will bend the cost of care down because every covered individual will find a way to decrease his own costs.