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This is the second rational, pro 2nd Amendment ruling from the nut job 9th circuit court of appeals. Last week they upheld an injunction against a magazine ban in California....good for them.....now, they have ruled that Hawaii cannot prohibit the open carry of a gun for self defense....again, bravo for them...
The court is still wrong on concealed carry...but baby steps....and Kavanaugh....
Ninth Circuit Three-Judge Panel Upholds Right To Open Carry Firearms - The Truth About Guns
The right to carry a firearm for law-abiding citizens barely exists in Hawaii. A so-called may-issue state, the Pacific paradise hasn’t issued a permit to carry this century. As far as the fiftieth state is concerned, Americans only have a right to keep and bear arms in their own homes.
That violation of his Second Amendment rights (see District of Columbia v Heller) was the basis for George Young’s suit against the state. Yesterday, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in a two-to-one decision, agreed with Mr. Young.
A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment protects a right to openly carry a gun in public for self-defense, rejecting a claim by Hawaii officials that the right only applies to guns kept at home. …
Two of the three 9th Circuit judges voted to reverse a decision by the U.S. District Court in Hawaii that state officials did not infringe on the rights of George Young, the plaintiff, in twice denying him a permit to carry a gun outside.
“We do not take lightly the problem of gun violence,” Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain wrote in Tuesday’s ruling. “But, for better or for worse, the Second Amendment does protect a right to carry a firearm in public for self-defense.”
You can read the full ruling here. The majority opinion wasn’t friendly to concealed carry, but here’s the main takeaway:
The panel acknowledged that while the concealed carry of firearmscategorically falls outside Second Amendment protection, see Peruta v. County of San Diego, 824 F.3d 919, 939 (2016) (en banc), it was satisfied that the Second Amendment encompasses a right to carry a firearm openly in public for self-defense.
Analyzing the text of the Second Amendment and reviewing the relevant history, including founding-era treatises and nineteenth century case law, the panel stated that it was unpersuaded by the County’s and the State’s argument that the Second Amendment only has force within the home.
The panel stated that once identified as an individual right focused on self-defense, the right to bear arms must guarantee some right to self-defense in public.
The panel held that because Hawaii law restricted plaintiff in exercising the right to carry a firearm openly, it burdened conduct protected by the Second Amendment.
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The State of Hawaii, much the same as California, now has a decision to make. They can appeal for an en banc review of the decision a la Perutaand risk a possible further appeal to a Supreme Court that’s expected to include a Justice Kavanaugh.
Or, in order to avoid another potentially precedent-setting Supreme Court ruling, Hawaii could decide to bite the bullet and, like DC, be dragged kicking and screaming into issuing citizens (open) carry permits. Watch this space.
The court is still wrong on concealed carry...but baby steps....and Kavanaugh....
Ninth Circuit Three-Judge Panel Upholds Right To Open Carry Firearms - The Truth About Guns
The right to carry a firearm for law-abiding citizens barely exists in Hawaii. A so-called may-issue state, the Pacific paradise hasn’t issued a permit to carry this century. As far as the fiftieth state is concerned, Americans only have a right to keep and bear arms in their own homes.
That violation of his Second Amendment rights (see District of Columbia v Heller) was the basis for George Young’s suit against the state. Yesterday, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in a two-to-one decision, agreed with Mr. Young.
A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment protects a right to openly carry a gun in public for self-defense, rejecting a claim by Hawaii officials that the right only applies to guns kept at home. …
Two of the three 9th Circuit judges voted to reverse a decision by the U.S. District Court in Hawaii that state officials did not infringe on the rights of George Young, the plaintiff, in twice denying him a permit to carry a gun outside.
“We do not take lightly the problem of gun violence,” Judge Diarmuid O’Scannlain wrote in Tuesday’s ruling. “But, for better or for worse, the Second Amendment does protect a right to carry a firearm in public for self-defense.”
You can read the full ruling here. The majority opinion wasn’t friendly to concealed carry, but here’s the main takeaway:
The panel acknowledged that while the concealed carry of firearmscategorically falls outside Second Amendment protection, see Peruta v. County of San Diego, 824 F.3d 919, 939 (2016) (en banc), it was satisfied that the Second Amendment encompasses a right to carry a firearm openly in public for self-defense.
Analyzing the text of the Second Amendment and reviewing the relevant history, including founding-era treatises and nineteenth century case law, the panel stated that it was unpersuaded by the County’s and the State’s argument that the Second Amendment only has force within the home.
The panel stated that once identified as an individual right focused on self-defense, the right to bear arms must guarantee some right to self-defense in public.
The panel held that because Hawaii law restricted plaintiff in exercising the right to carry a firearm openly, it burdened conduct protected by the Second Amendment.
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The State of Hawaii, much the same as California, now has a decision to make. They can appeal for an en banc review of the decision a la Perutaand risk a possible further appeal to a Supreme Court that’s expected to include a Justice Kavanaugh.
Or, in order to avoid another potentially precedent-setting Supreme Court ruling, Hawaii could decide to bite the bullet and, like DC, be dragged kicking and screaming into issuing citizens (open) carry permits. Watch this space.
