Lockdown Fans: What Is Your Endgame Plan?

[HappyJoy]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

 

[bripat9643]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

So says you. Where's the evidence? There is no chart of daily cases on Worldometer.

 

[HappyJoy]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

So says you. Where's the evidence? There is no chart of daily cases on Worldometer.

Did I say daily?

Georgia has more cases and deaths by nearly double than California who was hit much earlier.

 

[Polishprince]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

 

[HappyJoy]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

No, my hope would be that COVID will mutate out of existence but you can't count on hope.

There is not a shred of evidence that supports opening up will lead to fewer cases, quite the opposite.

 

[HappyJoy]

I don't believe in money trees.

I think yo do believe in money trees along the Potomac that will feed everyone for as long as they want without having to work for it

this is the nirvana that liberals have dreamed of for so long

I don't believe that and I'm not really concerned with what you think, you obviously don't.

 

[Cecilie1200]

People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

A good place to start is when there are no new cases.

You couldn't figure that out all by yourself? Wow!

IOW, you're stupid enough to think that the virus will just die if we hide long enough.

Whatta fucking retard.

There's a reason I have him on ignore, and it IS because he's never, ever had anything to say which even the most generous person could pretend was of value.

Smart that you put him on ignore. The reason you were wise to do so is he is one of many shills on the governments payroll a disinformation agent,that has been spent here to troll the forums,they got plants like him all over message boards. I noticed the only ones that posted laughing smileys have all exposed themselves in the past for the paid shills they are. Btw at first I thought you new since I did recognize your user name but I see you have been here as long as I have so what was your old user name

This is the only user name I've ever had on this message board. I just don't spend a lot of time trying to Sherlock Holmes what names someone used to use or what their secret motivations might be. I look at their posts, and go with what that reveals. Anyone I have on ignore is there because they've revealed themselves to be an utter waste of the universe's time and effort in creating them.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

No, my hope would be that COVID will mutate out of existence but you can't count on hope.

There is not a shred of evidence that supports opening up will lead to fewer cases, quite the opposite.

So far as I can tell, there has been no evidence actually suggesting that lockdowns lead to fewer cases and/or fewer deaths, either. Which makes sense, since they were never intended for that purpose. The lockdowns were only ever supposed to delay cases and spread them out over time, so that the hospitals wouldn't be overrun. The models never suggested that the eventual end totals wouldn't be the same either way.

 

[Oddball]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

No, my hope would be that COVID will mutate out of existence but you can't count on hope.

There is not a shred of evidence that supports opening up will lead to fewer cases, quite the opposite.

There's even less evidence (as in zero) that cowering in our homes and throwing scores of millions out of work will make the virus go away.

It's way past time to nut up, protect the vulnerable, and get back to living life.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I see they moved this crap to the conspiracy section. Good place for it. LOL

So what I hear you saying is, "I'm so glad that we've managed to successfully hijack and derail this thread off onto the meaningless shouting we want every conversation to be."

 

[Cecilie1200]

I’m advocating that we listen to the experts.

what do we consider to be experts?

virologists? epidemiologists ? regular doctors?

we could pick any one of ^^^^, and ring up their C-19 Utubes ,only to find them fighting among themselves

~S~

Being human, experts never agree on everything but in regard to the coronavirus, leaders in fields of virology, epidemiology, and medical research, nearly all agree the novel coronavirus is spread primarily through the air between humans. Plus both scientists and anyone with common sense agrees that separating people prevents the spread of the virus. The major disagreements occur when experts start making recommendations that have consequences outside of their field, such as epidemiologists recommend that we keep lock down orders in place which has grave economic consequences.

People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

A good place to start is when there are no new cases.

You couldn't figure that out all by yourself? Wow!

That will never happen

Not with our president.

Not with any president

Looks like South Korea, Singapore and other countries are flattening out that curve and reducing their numbers of active cases. Why can't Trump?

Let me know when the combined population numbers of those countries comes close to our actual population number....

There are no excuses for what has happened here. We are supposed to have the best medical facilities and equipment. Our situation was created by poor presidential leadership.

So what was South Korea’s excuse when they got hammered by MERS a few years ago? What was Spain’s excuse now? How about France? UK? It’s a global pandemic. Everyone got overwhelmed.

MERS killed about 36 people in South Korea in 2015.

Spain, didn't react well to COVID. Neither did France and in the U.K. they were seriously considering herd immunity until it got serious.

In the mean time we were better positioned, had more warning and it's still not over with. If you took the NYC area out of the mix the number of cases is only increasing in the United States and now we are going to reopen? Makes perfect sense.

We should have sealed New York from the rest of America along with china

I always kinda thought we should do that, anyway.

 

[HappyJoy]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

No, my hope would be that COVID will mutate out of existence but you can't count on hope.

There is not a shred of evidence that supports opening up will lead to fewer cases, quite the opposite.

So far as I can tell, there has been no evidence actually suggesting that lockdowns lead to fewer cases and/or fewer deaths, either. Which makes sense, since they were never intended for that purpose. The lockdowns were only ever supposed to delay cases and spread them out over time, so that the hospitals wouldn't be overrun. The models never suggested that the eventual end totals wouldn't be the same either way.

As far as I can tell you didn't really look.

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-05-08/big-decline-in-wash-state-coronavirus-cases-after-stay-home-orders

 

[HappyJoy]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

No, my hope would be that COVID will mutate out of existence but you can't count on hope.

There is not a shred of evidence that supports opening up will lead to fewer cases, quite the opposite.

There's even less evidence (as in zero) that cowering in our homes and throwing scores of millions out of work will make the virus go away.

It's way past time to nut up, protect the vulnerable, and get back to living life.

Nothing you said there is accurate or contains any merit.

 

[Mac-7]

I’m advocating that we listen to the experts.

what do we consider to be experts?

virologists? epidemiologists ? regular doctors?

we could pick any one of ^^^^, and ring up their C-19 Utubes ,only to find them fighting among themselves

~S~

Being human, experts never agree on everything but in regard to the coronavirus, leaders in fields of virology, epidemiology, and medical research, nearly all agree the novel coronavirus is spread primarily through the air between humans. Plus both scientists and anyone with common sense agrees that separating people prevents the spread of the virus. The major disagreements occur when experts start making recommendations that have consequences outside of their field, such as epidemiologists recommend that we keep lock down orders in place which has grave economic consequences.

People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

A good place to start is when there are no new cases.

You couldn't figure that out all by yourself? Wow!

That will never happen

Not with our president.

Not with any president

Looks like South Korea, Singapore and other countries are flattening out that curve and reducing their numbers of active cases. Why can't Trump?

Let me know when the combined population numbers of those countries comes close to our actual population number....

There are no excuses for what has happened here. We are supposed to have the best medical facilities and equipment. Our situation was created by poor presidential leadership.

So what was South Korea’s excuse when they got hammered by MERS a few years ago? What was Spain’s excuse now? How about France? UK? It’s a global pandemic. Everyone got overwhelmed.

MERS killed about 36 people in South Korea in 2015.

Spain, didn't react well to COVID. Neither did France and in the U.K. they were seriously considering herd immunity until it got serious.

In the mean time we were better positioned, had more warning and it's still not over with. If you took the NYC area out of the mix the number of cases is only increasing in the United States and now we are going to reopen? Makes perfect sense.

We should have sealed New York from the rest of America along with china

I always kinda thought we should do that, anyway.

New York City is a petri dish for disease

 

[Oddball]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

No, my hope would be that COVID will mutate out of existence but you can't count on hope.

There is not a shred of evidence that supports opening up will lead to fewer cases, quite the opposite.

There's even less evidence (as in zero) that cowering in our homes and throwing scores of millions out of work will make the virus go away.

It's way past time to nut up, protect the vulnerable, and get back to living life.

Nothing you said there is accurate or contains any merit.

What I said is exactly accurate....Maybe you have some verifiable evidence that Cowering in Place™ and ruining the lives of the healthy is going to make the virus just give up and go away?

C'mon....Dazzle us.

 

[Cecilie1200]

People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

A good place to start is when there are no new cases.

You couldn't figure that out all by yourself? Wow!

That will never happen

Not with our president.

Not with any president

Looks like South Korea, Singapore and other countries are flattening out that curve and reducing their numbers of active cases. Why can't Trump?

Let me know when the combined population numbers of those countries comes close to our actual population number....

There are no excuses for what has happened here. We are supposed to have the best medical facilities and equipment. Our situation was created by poor presidential leadership.

Obama created it? Yeah, we know.

We know what Obama did. He left a pandemic response team. We're living now with what trump is doing. 6 times the number of deaths than when Obama faced a pandemic and rising.

If the people want a lockdown next year, they can vote for Sleepy Joe. If not, they can vote for the Trumpster.

Let the people decide.

The people are speaking and they majority are saying we aren't ready.

Of course

the helicopter money is still falling from the sky

but thats very short-sighted

Well actually it isn't. But it looks like we are going to try it your way and you better hope it works. I don't see that happening but when the shit hits the fan just make sure you are here to take the drilling I will be giving you trump idiots.

Do you prefer borrowing another 6 trillion and completely bankrupting our country?

what is your upper national debt limit?

and how will you repay it?

Good point right there. If America doesn't promptly open back up and get up to speed in a hurry, this will mean massive austerity. Returning confidence to individuals is the key, not accumulating more debt.

Libs should be concerned too. Socialism fails when a society runs out of other people's money, and that's soon going to happen if we don't get off of our collective asses. Libs can forget Socialized Medicine,they can forget the New Green Deal, the country just won't be able to afford it.

The Post-Corona Era will be won by those societies that have a strong free market and socialized states will revert to Turd World status.

Too late.

Its clearly too late to return to the same great economy we had in December

but the longer we wait the more damage the shutdown will cause

Personally, I'm optimistic, and think that this dip can be turned around in a hurry. All of the same tremendous production facilities, housing, stores, whatever, that existed are still standing. The death toll from the corona virus hasn't hurt the nation's human capital situation at all.

But getting people moving is the key, and moving America back up to speed in a hurry is the key.

I think it can be turned around, but I don't think it can be done in a hurry. I think we've already done a lot of damage to our economy that's going to take a while to repair. There are far too many businesses which are not going to reopen. There are a lot more businesses that are going to reopen, but they're going to struggle to get their supply and distribution lines back online. That's going to make prices a lot higher for a number of items, and a lot of consumers are going to struggle to be able to buy things, particularly since everyone isn't going to be able to just snap back to having a job and working.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I’m advocating that we listen to the experts.

what do we consider to be experts?

virologists? epidemiologists ? regular doctors?

we could pick any one of ^^^^, and ring up their C-19 Utubes ,only to find them fighting among themselves

~S~

Being human, experts never agree on everything but in regard to the coronavirus, leaders in fields of virology, epidemiology, and medical research, nearly all agree the novel coronavirus is spread primarily through the air between humans. Plus both scientists and anyone with common sense agrees that separating people prevents the spread of the virus. The major disagreements occur when experts start making recommendations that have consequences outside of their field, such as epidemiologists recommend that we keep lock down orders in place which has grave economic consequences.

People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

A good place to start is when there are no new cases.

You couldn't figure that out all by yourself? Wow!

That will never happen

Not with our president.

Not with any president

Looks like South Korea, Singapore and other countries are flattening out that curve and reducing their numbers of active cases. Why can't Trump?

Let me know when the combined population numbers of those countries comes close to our actual population number....

There are no excuses for what has happened here. We are supposed to have the best medical facilities and equipment. Our situation was created by poor presidential leadership.

So what was South Korea’s excuse when they got hammered by MERS a few years ago? What was Spain’s excuse now? How about France? UK? It’s a global pandemic. Everyone got overwhelmed.

MERS killed about 36 people in South Korea in 2015.

Spain, didn't react well to COVID. Neither did France and in the U.K. they were seriously considering herd immunity until it got serious.

In the mean time we were better positioned, had more warning and it's still not over with. If you took the NYC area out of the mix the number of cases is only increasing in the United States and now we are going to reopen? Makes perfect sense.

We should have sealed New York from the rest of America along with china

I always kinda thought we should do that, anyway.

New York City is a petri dish for disease

And diseased thinking.

 

[HappyJoy]

Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

What "spike?"

Georgia cases are increasing. Wait for the spike because with their economy allegedly opening the outcome is going to be pretty obvious. Georgia already has more cases and deaths per capita than California by almost double.

I'm sure you hope that will be the case, but my guess is that the opening of the Great State of Georgia will occur with no particular problems at all, leading other states to follow suit. Maybe not Far Left New York, but other, forward thinking states.

No, my hope would be that COVID will mutate out of existence but you can't count on hope.

There is not a shred of evidence that supports opening up will lead to fewer cases, quite the opposite.

There's even less evidence (as in zero) that cowering in our homes and throwing scores of millions out of work will make the virus go away.

It's way past time to nut up, protect the vulnerable, and get back to living life.

Nothing you said there is accurate or contains any merit.

What I said is exactly accurate....Maybe you have some verifiable evidence that Cowering in Place™ and ruining the lives of the healthy is going to make the virus just give up and go away?

C'mon....Dazzle us.

I've already provided a link for a stud that shows Social Distancing and Stay at home measures work. Cower? I'm not cowering. On Wednesday I'm going to practice social distancing and go off roading in Sedona. I've also been spending a lot of time working on my hobby which is upgrading my OHV. So, maybe you can't think of anything to do but leave me out of your pathetic existence.

As far as ruining lives. Yes, many people are going to suffer but there is only one way to fix this and that is to get beyond the virus before economies can be fully opened and since we have so few weapons we're going to need to depend on social distancing measures. Most Americans are in agreement as many polls have demonstrated.

 

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Americans, by a large 30-point margin, are resistant to re-opening the country now, believing the risk to human life of opening the country outweighs the economic toll of remaining under restrictive lockdowns -- a concern that starkly divides along partisan lines, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos released Friday. ​

It's not the only poll showing this result either. I know, I know, you've been programmed to disregard any information you don't want to be true but your confirmation bias is not my problem.

The polls only indicate that the 24/7 news cycle of alarmism regarding the corona panic has swayed the opinion of a lot of people.

As people see things open up in Georgia, in Mississippi and other forward thinking parts of the country, their opinions will change. And that's why radicals on the coast are fighting the efforts of people in the interior to get back to normalcy.

Yeah, people aren't as dumb as you. When they see the virus spike in places like Georgia it's going to be painfully obvious why.

I doubt it will be painfully obvious, since I'm sure you leftists will continue to go out of your way to spread more lies about it.

Don't give me this shit about "We've worked really hard to panic people and convince them of bullshit, and now you have to treat our lies like truth because look how many people have bought it" and expect me to fall in line.

 

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People who want the lockdowns to continue spend a lot of time shouting slogans and congratulating themselves on how they're "the only ones who care about saving lives", but I have yet to hear any of them tell us what their actual plan is for an endgame, or how they envision the future going forward if we were to cave in to their demands.

So I'd really like to know: if you could convince all the governors to continue the lockdowns, what do you think that looks like? How long do you want it to last, and/or what is your metric for ending it? And then what happens? What's your plan going forward from there? Do you have one?

A good place to start is when there are no new cases.

You couldn't figure that out all by yourself? Wow!

That will never happen

Not with our president.

Not with any president

Looks like South Korea, Singapore and other countries are flattening out that curve and reducing their numbers of active cases. Why can't Trump?

Let me know when the combined population numbers of those countries comes close to our actual population number....

There are no excuses for what has happened here. We are supposed to have the best medical facilities and equipment. Our situation was created by poor presidential leadership.

Obama created it? Yeah, we know.

We know what Obama did. He left a pandemic response team. We're living now with what trump is doing. 6 times the number of deaths than when Obama faced a pandemic and rising.

If the people want a lockdown next year, they can vote for Sleepy Joe. If not, they can vote for the Trumpster.

Let the people decide.

The people are speaking and they majority are saying we aren't ready.

Of course

the helicopter money is still falling from the sky

but thats very short-sighted

Well actually it isn't. But it looks like we are going to try it your way and you better hope it works. I don't see that happening but when the shit hits the fan just make sure you are here to take the drilling I will be giving you trump idiots.

Do you prefer borrowing another 6 trillion and completely bankrupting our country?

what is your upper national debt limit?

and how will you repay it?

Good point right there. If America doesn't promptly open back up and get up to speed in a hurry, this will mean massive austerity. Returning confidence to individuals is the key, not accumulating more debt.

Libs should be concerned too. Socialism fails when a society runs out of other people's money, and that's soon going to happen if we don't get off of our collective asses. Libs can forget Socialized Medicine,they can forget the New Green Deal, the country just won't be able to afford it.

The Post-Corona Era will be won by those societies that have a strong free market and socialized states will revert to Turd World status.

Too late.

Its clearly too late to return to the same great economy we had in December

but the longer we wait the more damage the shutdown will cause

Personally, I'm optimistic, and think that this dip can be turned around in a hurry. All of the same tremendous production facilities, housing, stores, whatever, that existed are still standing. The death toll from the corona virus hasn't hurt the nation's human capital situation at all.

But getting people moving is the key, and moving America back up to speed in a hurry is the key.

I think it can be turned around, but I don't think it can be done in a hurry. I think we've already done a lot of damage to our economy that's going to take a while to repair. There are far too many businesses which are not going to reopen. There are a lot more businesses that are going to reopen, but they're going to struggle to get their supply and distribution lines back online. That's going to make prices a lot higher for a number of items, and a lot of consumers are going to struggle to be able to buy things, particularly since everyone isn't going to be able to just snap back to having a job and working.

Also, consumer and business confidence will be low

people who have money are going to hold onto it more than in the past

so less discretionary spending and less investment in new businesses