Liz Gets Real: Single-Payer Is The Answer

[g5000]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

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I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

I say we let Cali go first......
A true "hold my beer and watch this" moment.

We already have another model. Massachussettes.

They have had Romney care for years and it works just fine.

You have a funny definition of "fine". Before ObamaCare was even enacted, Massachusetts had the highest insurance premiums in the country.

 

[eflatminor]

The only way I would ever agree that single payer is the way to go is when a flat tax is imposed on everyone. No excuses, no exceptions, no exemptions!

I would never agree to single payer under any circumstance and I think taxing a man's labor is immoral. That said, if we're going to have an income tax, the only method that in any way embraces the notion of equality under the law is flat.

 

[g5000]

and who is gonna do all of the paper work for 300 Million People? The Obama's?

Do you think there is magically no paperwork in the private insurance system?

Are you really this stupid?

Ask any doctor's office staff about all the different insurance codes they have to deal with.

 

[JoeMoma]

I'm a free market kind of guy, but I can see the writing on the wall. We are going to single payer with health care; it's just a matter of time.

Why did California reject the single payer bill then? Not even the most liberal state is willing to accept this thing, and yet the whole nation is ready for it?

Think again... They can't even get a wall funded and yet are supposed to come up with over a trillion dollars for this thing. I give it a 0% chance, thankfully. The basic idea seems to be that since the lobby is so strong that the costs can't be lowered, let's have someone else pay for it. What a genius plan!

I'm thinking long term, like sometime in the next 50 years.
Obamacare was designed to fail and lead us to single payer. Now the republicans are working on Obamacare lite. Let's give that enough time to fail, then we will go to single payer. So probably within the next 8 to 20 years, we will have single payer.

 

[g5000]

The only way I would ever agree that single payer is the way to go is when a flat tax is imposed on everyone. No excuses, no exceptions, no exemptions!

I've actually been thinking a lot about this very thing today. Because single payer will require a massive tax increase.

However, we have $1.4 trillion in tax expenditures each year. If we eliminated those, we would not have to raise tax rates much, if at all.

 

[g5000]

The only way I would ever agree that single payer is the way to go is when a flat tax is imposed on everyone. No excuses, no exceptions, no exemptions!

I would never agree to single payer under any circumstance and I think taxing a man's labor is immoral. That said, if we're going to have an income tax, the only method that in any way embraces the notion of equality under the law is flat.

Flat taxes, Fair Taxes, progressive taxes, it's all a big scam to divert you from where the real robbery is occurring.

 

[nat4900]

I would run on it too. We live in a country now where tens of millions want the government to wipe their butts and tuck them in at night. I would say it's probably a winning strategy.

i'LL USE THE SIMPLEST OF MATH....the kind that even a moron can understand....

Trump got 3 million LESS votes than Clinton....FACT

The CBO estimates that 22-23 million people will lose their HC coverage
under the administration of republicans.......FACT

Of the above amount of Americans who will be pissed over losing coverage, about 12 million are voters........[a safe] FACT

Do you right wingers "think" that the electoral college will come to your rescue again?

 

[Norman]

I'm a free market kind of guy, but I can see the writing on the wall. We are going to single payer with health care; it's just a matter of time.

Why did California reject the single payer bill then? Not even the most liberal state is willing to accept this thing, and yet the whole nation is ready for it?

Think again... They can't even get a wall funded and yet are supposed to come up with over a trillion dollars for this thing. I give it a 0% chance, thankfully. The basic idea seems to be that since the lobby is so strong that the costs can't be lowered, let's have someone else pay for it. What a genius plan!

I'm thinking long term, like sometime in the next 50 years.
Obamacare was designed to fail and lead us to single payer. Now the republicans are working on Obamacare lite. Let's give that enough time to fail, then we will go to single payer. So probably within the next 8 to 20 years, we will have single payer.

Yeah, or maybe we won't. In fact, maybe people sober up and we will have less government involvement in the health care. The single payer care will hopefully be found in California only, that will withdraw from the union as a result of Trump's second presidency.

 

[g5000]

As long as you can overlook those signs in the Doctors offices stating they do not take Medicaid patients.

Then, your state should remind them of the Hyppocratic oath they took and the licence to practice that they received...Remember this about the oath......(nothing there about how much can I gouge my patinets....)


I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Until a doctor actually accepts a patient as a patient he has no duty or responsibility to that patient!

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

 

[nat4900]

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

True.....
(but, well, they can always reject LGBT folks....heck, if bakers can do it....LOL)

 

[WillowTree]

As long as you can overlook those signs in the Doctors offices stating they do not take Medicaid patients.

Then, your state should remind them of the Hyppocratic oath they took and the licence to practice that they received...Remember this about the oath......(nothing there about how much can I gouge my patinets....)


I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Until a doctor actually accepts a patient as a patient he has no duty or responsibility to that patient!

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

You would have far fewer doctors!

 

[Lakhota]

As long as you can overlook those signs in the Doctors offices stating they do not take Medicaid patients.

Then, your state should remind them of the Hyppocratic oath they took and the licence to practice that they received...Remember this about the oath......(nothing there about how much can I gouge my patinets....)


I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Until a doctor actually accepts a patient as a patient he has no duty or responsibility to that patient!

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

You would have far fewer doctors!

Why?

 

[nat4900]

You would have far fewer doctors!

Sure, because a position as a Wall Mart greeter is so much more lucrative and rewarding......

Qst.: Are doctors in the UK or in Germany panhandling in their spare time to make ends meet?

 

[g5000]

As long as you can overlook those signs in the Doctors offices stating they do not take Medicaid patients.

Then, your state should remind them of the Hyppocratic oath they took and the licence to practice that they received...Remember this about the oath......(nothing there about how much can I gouge my patinets....)


I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

Until a doctor actually accepts a patient as a patient he has no duty or responsibility to that patient!

Under single payer, a doctor would have no reason to reject one patient over another.

You would have far fewer doctors!

Quite a few countries which have universal healthcare have more doctors per capita than we do.

Israel, Iceland, Switzerland, Germany, France, Sweden, and many more.

 

[JoeMoma]

I'm a free market kind of guy, but I can see the writing on the wall. We are going to single payer with health care; it's just a matter of time.

Why did California reject the single payer bill then? Not even the most liberal state is willing to accept this thing, and yet the whole nation is ready for it?

Think again... They can't even get a wall funded and yet are supposed to come up with over a trillion dollars for this thing. I give it a 0% chance, thankfully. The basic idea seems to be that since the lobby is so strong that the costs can't be lowered, let's have someone else pay for it. What a genius plan!

I'm thinking long term, like sometime in the next 50 years.
Obamacare was designed to fail and lead us to single payer. Now the republicans are working on Obamacare lite. Let's give that enough time to fail, then we will go to single payer. So probably within the next 8 to 20 years, we will have single payer.

Yeah, or maybe we won't. In fact, maybe people sober up and we will have less government involvement in the health care. The single payer care will hopefully be found in California only, that will withdraw from the union as a result of Trump's second presidency.

Look at the trend of size of government over the last 200 years. Government gets bigger. Just as we have public education, we will someday have public healthcare.

 

[g5000]

List of countries with universal health care

Countries Compared by Health > Physicians > Per 1,000 people. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

The United States is 52nd for doctors per capita.

 

[nat4900]

Quite a few countries which have universal healthcare have more doctors per capita than we do.

Indeed.........I believe that the U.S. has 2.2 doctors for every 1000 people; Italy has 4.5. for every 1,000 citizens......

 

[g5000]

Trump looooooooves universal healthcare. Just loves it. Trump literally believes UHC is a birth entitlement.

Cradle to grave.

Trump.

Get ready. It's coming.

 

[skews13]

Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

Obamacare was based on ‘’a conservative model,’’ the Massachusetts Democrat says.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says it’s time for Democrats to run on single-payer health care across the country.

President Barack Obama “tried to move us forward with health care coverage by using a conservative model that came from one of the conservative think tanks that had been advanced by a Republican governor in Massachusetts,” Warren, referring to Mitt Romney, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal published Tuesday.

“Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said.

Warren’s comments represent a shift to her position on the U.S. health care system. In March, she said her support for switching to single-payer ― in which the government handles coverage of health care costs, rather than insurance companies ― would depend on whether Democrats could find Republican lawmakers willing to help fix the Affordable Care Act passed under Obama.

More: Elizabeth Warren Calls For Democrats To Embrace Single-Payer Health Care

I agree that Single-Payer is the way to go! It's time to take insurance companies out of our health care!

I say we let Cali go first......
A true "hold my beer and watch this" moment.

We already have another model. Massachussettes.

They have had Romney care for years and it works just fine.

You have a funny definition of "fine". Before ObamaCare was even enacted, Massachusetts had the highest insurance premiums in the country.

Actually the Health Connector program in MA. started in 2006 by then Gov Romney is very popular, and the premiums have risen at a slower rate than the national level.

And the state has no plans in getting rid of the system. Being the success it is you know.

California is getting ready to go single payer, which will be followed by New York.

The nation will be there soon. But if you feel that strongly about those poor insurance company CEO's losing their obscene salaries and bonuses. Feel free at the end of each month to send them a check.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Yep, lets join the rest of the first world!