Little Emily Met the Devil

[MisterBeale]

The population has blood on its hands. They know where Hamas' is, they know where the kidnapped Israelis are.

This is a load of crap.

This is like saying, the citizens of the US know who our CIA and FBI agents are.
. . . or have intelligence about their operations.



Every time I see photos of Hamas? They look like this;

They are a known terrorist group that always conceals their identity, just as our own intelligence conceals theirs.

What on Earth make you believe their women, civilians, etc. have any idea who they are, or have any idea about their operations?

What pure idiocy.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I don't live in an echo chamber. I use ALL sources for information.

Peer review science rests on the precept of finding a check on information.

Good journalism rests on the precept of finding second sourcing, it doesn't matter what the political bias.

You have the notion that this person or that source is "extreme," in their identification.

Well I do agree that Democracy Now tends to be a bit on the left, they tend to echo the establishment narrative more than other sources that you might not be familiar with. . . they are a lefty gatekeeper which a lot of folks may not realize.

. . . as far as McKinney, she studied and got her Phd. under Dr. Peter Dale Scott, one of the nation's foremost expert's on America's Deep State, her politics had moved somewhat after she was in Congress.

What you know of her, is largely informed by the same folks that lie to you about Donald Trump, so no, you don't know shit about what she really believes. The same year of the plandemic, she was one of the featured speaker's along with Dr. Ron Paul and Anarchapulco.

She is friends with folks like Ron Paul, Adam Kokesh, and Robert David Steel (RIP.) You really don't have the first clue what you are talking about because you get most of your information from the corporate radio and TEE VEE. She is one of the folks that agrees, that the establishment rigged the election against Trump. . . She is more of a political dissident than even Trump, it is nearly impossible to find accurate information on what she does for a reason. . . and you sit there slagging her? What the fuck do you know?





No, you have substituted fallacy for argument.

ALL sources of information?

You sound Lew Rockwell and Anti-War.com to me.

 

[MisterBeale]

It really isn't all that hard to separate demonization from valid criticism. Broad, sweeping statements; misusing terminology; parroting soundbites; victim-blaming; emotive language; false equivalencies. All demonization. Examples used against Israel in this thread alone: genocide, murder, mass murder, terrorist, ethnic cleansing, herding, indiscriminate bombing. Demonization.

Valid criticism comes from knowledge of specific events, use of proper definitions, and a measured argument from facts. As an easy example: indiscriminate bombing. Hamas fires rockets indiscriminately, because their devices have no ability to target, and often fail or fall short. To say that Israel bombs "indiscriminately" is not factual. Israel is capable of gathering intelligence, communicating with people on the ground, and very precise targeting (though mistakes still happen, and equipment still fails to perform, people aren't where they said they would be). Valid criticism of Israel, therefore, would not include a claim of "indiscriminate bombing". However, let's say Israel has intelligence that the cell phones of ten very prominent Hamas members were all gathered close together near the Rafah crossing, in close proximity to civilians. Were Israel to precisely target those ten Hamas militants, knowing that there would be incidental harm to the surrounding civilians, you could fairly criticize that decision. Valid criticism.

As long as Egypt and Israel keep the borders closed, and do not allow any civilians to escape the cauldron of death that Israel has been creating. . . ????

I can't take this argument seriously.

Neither can most of the world.


Usually when there is a war, civilians are allowed to flee the zone of conflict. They are not being allowed to do so in this case. This can be classified as nothing other than turning one giant concentration camp, into one giant extermination camp.

 

[MisterBeale]

ALL sources of information?

You sound Lew Rockwell and Anti-War.com to me.

And?

Wow. Nina? Is that you?

 

[MisterBeale]

As Long As the Third World Exists, Civilization Will Decline and Fall

I'll admit it's coming to genocide, but I see nothing wrong with it. The academics are lying about prehistory; the elimination of the vicious and retarded Neanderthal was a positive genocide and done in self-defense.

Racism is realism and part of the Survival Instinct. Racism from inferior races, or from retrogrades to the Dark Ages like the Nazis and Stormfront, is a sign of the Death Wish.

Never again - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Shusha]

As long as Egypt and Israel keep the borders closed, and do not allow any civilians to escape the cauldron of death that Israel has been creating. . . ????

I can't take this argument seriously.

Neither can most of the world.


Usually when there is a war, civilians are allowed to flee the zone of conflict. They are not being allowed to do so in this case. This can be classified as nothing other than turning one giant concentration camp, into one giant extermination camp.

Oooh! Look! "Cauldron of death". That 's a new one. So evocative.

You don't seriously expect Israel to accept refugees from Gaza, do you? After what happened? Knowing Hamas is hiding among the civilians. You've got to be kidding.

Egypt, well ... different story. Especially if just as passage elsewhere.

 

[gipper]

Oooh! Look! "Cauldron of death". That 's a new one. So evocative.

You don't seriously expect Israel to accept refugees from Gaza, do you? After what happened? Knowing Hamas is hiding among the civilians. You've got to be kidding.

Egypt, well ... different story. Especially if just as passage elsewhere.

That is an apt description of conditions in Gaza.

After what happened?…you mean the 1400 Israelis killed on 10/7, of which many were killed by the IDF.

Now do you know the number of Palis killed since 10/7? What about their homes being destroyed and forced to walk south under an Israeli bombardment?

When will your bloodlust be satisfied? When all Palis are dead?

 

[MisterBeale]

You don't seriously expect Israel to accept refugees from Gaza, do you? After what happened? Knowing Hamas is hiding among the civilians. You've got to be kidding.

So it is your premise, that it is impossible to do background checks and investigate the nature of someone's past, their connections, their motivations and their activities in the 21st century? Is that it?



I'm wondering why Israel even has a guest worker program that uses folks from Gaza in the first place. . .

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/03/middleeast/israel-cuts-ties-gaza-permit-workers-intl-hnk/index.html

 

[Shusha]

That is an apt description of conditions in Gaza.

After what happened?…you mean the 1400 Israelis killed on 10/7, of which many were killed by the IDF.

Now do you know the number of Palis killed since 10/7? What about their homes being destroyed and forced to walk south under an Israeli bombardment?

When will your bloodlust be satisfied? When all Palis are dead?

Such a missed opportunity to engage in valid criticism instead of demonization of Israel.

Adding to the obvious demonization previously listed: minimization; accusations of ignorance; assumption of evil.

 

[Shusha]

So it is your premise, that it is impossible to do background checks and investigate the nature of someone's past, their connections, their motivations and their activities in the 21st century? Is that it?

Um nope. Totally doable. There are a few important considerations, though. 1. We are kinda busy. More pressing stuff. Like getting our children back. And making sure this never happens again in the foreseeable future. 2. We are not especially invested in expending time, energy, and money attempting to vet people who may or may not perpetrate evil against our innocent civilians, and then inviting them to be, you know, in proximity to our innocent civilians. 3. It is egregious beyond belief to expect Israel to have an atrocity perpetrated upon us and then be expected to provide relief and succor to the perpetrators. (And yes, this is deserving of a deeper conversation. Who counts as a perpetrator? If you kept an Israeli child hostage in your attic without adequate food for 50 some days, and are a UN teacher, are you an innocent or a perpetrator? Umm. Rhetorical question. You are a perpetrator). 4. If your goal is to create relief for the Palestinians, as opposed to using Palestinian suffering for the demonization of Jews, then you would be putting enormous (!) pressure on Egypt to open a safe exit corridor and would be putting enormous (!) pressure on other nations (as been done in many, many, other humanitarian crises) to provide safe haven to the Palestinians civilians escaping war.

 

[gipper]

Such a missed opportunity to engage in valid criticism instead of demonization of Israel.

Adding to the obvious demonization previously listed: minimization; accusations of ignorance; assumption of evil.

In your world, all criticism of Israel is demonization.

 

[gipper]

Um nope. Totally doable. There are a few important considerations, though. 1. We are kinda busy. More pressing stuff. Like getting our children back. And making sure this never happens again in the foreseeable future. 2. We are not especially invested in expending time, energy, and money attempting to vet people who may or may not perpetrate evil against our innocent civilians, and then inviting them to be, you know, in proximity to our innocent civilians. 3. It is egregious beyond belief to expect Israel to have an atrocity perpetrated upon us and then be expected to provide relief and succor to the perpetrators. (And yes, this is deserving of a deeper conversation. Who counts as a perpetrator? If you kept an Israeli child hostage in your attic without adequate food for 50 some days, and are a UN teacher, are you an innocent or a perpetrator? Umm. Rhetorical question. You are a perpetrator). 4. If your goal is to create relief for the Palestinians, as opposed to using Palestinian suffering for the demonization of Jews, then you would be putting enormous (!) pressure on Egypt to open a safe exit corridor and would be putting enormous (!) pressure on other nations (as been done in many, many, other humanitarian crises) to provide safe haven to the Palestinians civilians escaping war.

No one mentioned Jews but you. Are you an antisemite?

 

[MisterBeale]

Um nope. Totally doable. There are a few important considerations, though. 1. We are kinda busy. More pressing stuff. Like getting our children back. And making sure this never happens again in the foreseeable future. 2. We are not especially invested in expending time, energy, and money attempting to vet people who may or may not perpetrate evil against our innocent civilians, and then inviting them to be, you know, in proximity to our innocent civilians. 3. It is egregious beyond belief to expect Israel to have an atrocity perpetrated upon us and then be expected to provide relief and succor to the perpetrators. (And yes, this is deserving of a deeper conversation. Who counts as a perpetrator? If you kept an Israeli child hostage in your attic without adequate food for 50 some days, and are a UN teacher, are you an innocent or a perpetrator? Umm. Rhetorical question. You are a perpetrator). 4. If your goal is to create relief for the Palestinians, as opposed to using Palestinian suffering for the demonization of Jews, then you would be putting enormous (!) pressure on Egypt to open a safe exit corridor and would be putting enormous (!) pressure on other nations (as been done in many, many, other humanitarian crises) to provide safe haven to the Palestinians civilians escaping war.

Wow.

All that to say. . . Um nope, innocent lives aren't that important to you. You know what I have said is yes, possible, and yes, doable, but no, Israel and the Jewish State wants to just ethnically cleanse Levant so that it can possess the energy resources there in Gaza for its own.

Thanks for confirming what we all already know!



So caldron of death it is.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

This is why, unless we DRASTICALLY CHANGE, we will never win another war. We just refuse to do what it takes to defeat those who would kill us if they have the chance

There Is No Such Person As a Non-Combatant in a Combat Zone

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Do you think war crimes from WWII means war crimes committed today are justified?

Chickenhawk Chatter

Typical college-level stupidity. The Americans didn't commit any war crimes in World War II. Just because the sheltered rulers say we must obey their ignorant decisions, fighting men shouldn't be judged by the air-conditioned ethics of the Geneva Convention.

 

[gipper]

There Is No Such Person As a Non-Combatant in a Combat Zone

Lol. Sure there is. Only total war fanatics who approve of genocide think so ignorantly.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You see nothing wrong with genocide?

Deader Than a Doormat

You use a blank statement as your security blanket to ensure narrow-minded thinking. Extermination is certainly desirable in some cases. The rulers won't even allow us to exterminate toxic species of animals, so they're being consistent in putting us in danger from Third World savages going for the kill, inspired by the weakness of those who control and hold back on everything that would stop this Survival of the Unfittest.

 

[Shusha]

Wow.

All that to say. . . Um nope, innocent lives aren't that important to you. You know what I have said is yes, possible, and yes, doable, but no, Israel and the Jewish State wants to just ethnically cleanse Levant so that it can possess the energy resources there in Gaza for its own.

Thanks for confirming what we all already know!



So caldron of death it is.

No. Amazing that you appear to have missed what I actually said in my post. You interpret it as 1. innocent lives aren't important and 2. greedy Jews want the energy resources. What I said was: 1. we are busy fighting a war; 2. we aren't going to invest energy into people trying to kill us; 3. we certainly aren't going to let those trying to kill us live with us; 4. others can provide relief, and should; 5. Hamas is responsible for all of this.

 

[gipper]

Deader Than a Doormat

You use a blank statement as your security blanket to ensure narrow-minded thinking. Extermination is certainly desirable in some cases. The rulers won't even allow us to exterminate toxic species of animals, so they're being consistent in putting us in danger from Third World savages going for the kill, inspired by the weakness of those who control and hold back on everything that would stop this Survival of the Unfittest.

I bet you shed a tear when old war criminal Henry Kissinger died.

 

[Shusha]

In your world, all criticism of Israel is demonization.

Not at all. And I've already outlined the difference. Why don't you take a stab at a valid criticism of Israel, instead of repeating the same tired slogan over and over again?