List of things that require photo identification

[Unknown_Soldier]

G500 hijacked this thread and made it into something different than what the OP intended for discussion.

If someone started a topic that contained the statement that 2 + 2 = 5, it is not hijacking to point out their error and explain that 2 + 2 = 4.

You made an equally obvious fallacious argument in your opening post.

You also made it about voter fraud.

So there is no hijacking going on.

Sorry to make your butt hurt.

OWN it! YOU made it about voter fraud.

You'd have better luck talking sense to a 5 year old. G5000 is a lost, and dishonest, cause.

 

[daveman]

Because there are instances involving traffic pullovers that can only be solved by requiring the driver produce a valid ID. And driving is a privilege. So introducing impediments that apply to everyone does not violate any rights.

There are no instances involving voting which can only be solved by asking the voter to produce valid ID. And voting is a right which can be violated by introducing impediments that apply to everyone.

Simple.

Appeal to common practice logical fallacy.

Look, I disagree with the entire 15th. In fact I think we should have voter exams as a mandatory requirement to be able to vote, but asking someone to PROVE who they are is not an onerous requirement.

And they do so at registration time.

It's stupid to keep claiming it is. We've already suggested free IDs for those who can't afford them, although who couldn't afford a $5 a year ID is beyond me.

There is only ONE logical reason you would be against it, and it isn't because you don't see a need for it.

That is exactly the reason I have stated at least a dozen times. I see no evidence of the need for Voter ID laws.

They are unnecessary and some of them carry the risk of disenfranchising US citizens from voting.

This risk is in no way counterbalanced with anything that cannot already be solved by proper management of voter registration.

How do you know the person voting is the person who registered?

Hint: You don't.

 

[Anizor]

Just like always bad guys dont want to be identified

 

[depotoo]

There is NO need for this law.

wasting tax payer money on a non problem isnt very conservative is it?

wasting? I would much rather those few that can't afford it, if they don't already have it be given by the state, rather than paying for big hoopla conventions, to help assure a more fair vote occurs. Voting should be as free of fraud as possible. And you know that, only y ou also know that fraud does go on and you don't want it stopped in fear of it making a difference. Local elections if very much so can, with a few votes.

 

[P@triot]

How odd - Dumbocrats claim that poor people living off of these government programs (#5, #6, #7) don't have ID. Yet, to enroll in those same programs, you need ID

1. Alcohol

2. Cigarettes

3. Opening a bank account

4. Apply for food stamps

5. Apply for welfare

6. Apply for Medicaid/Social Security

7. Apply for unemployment or a job

8. Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage

9. Drive/buy/rent a car

10. Get on an airplane

11. Get married

12. Purchase a gun

13. Adopt a pet

14. Rent a hotel room

15. Apply for a hunting license

16. Apply for a fishing license

17. Buy a cell phone

18. Visit a casino

19. Pick up a prescription

20. Hold a rally or protest

21. Blood donations

22. Buy an "M" rated video game

23. Purchase nail polish at CVS

24. Purchase certain cold medicines

But not to vote?

24 things that require a photo ID | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[Montrovant]

I actually don't do any of the things on the list.

 

[bripat9643]

Despite the above common actions that people engage in, some seem to think that asking for a photo ID for voting purposes is somehow a violation of civil liberties or an attempt to prevent people from voting.

Voting is a fundamental right, the activities you list, not; and the requirement by private sector entities is irrelevant, as the Constitution applies only to the public sector.

Wrong, numnuts. Purchasing a firearm is a fundamental right.

Although the Supreme Court has held that requiring an ID to vote is not un-Constitutional, it was done in the context that Federal law requires a jurisdiction to allow a voter to vote using a provisional ballot if he indeed has no ID.

Who opposes that?

It is clear to any objective, non-partisan observer, however, that ID requirements are an effort to discourage a portion of the population from voting. In addition, there is no evidence that voter fraud via identity is a problem; in fact, research has determined that voter fraud via identity is statistically non-existent.

What's clear is that anyone who opposes requiring ID to vote does so because he wants to enable voter fraud.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

I think our voter registration process has HUGE holes in it. Plenty of examples have been provided in this topic which demonstrates this.

Voter ID would give us a false sense of security. It would not clear dead people off the rolls. It would not prevent groups like ACORN registering people who are not qualified to vote. An ID is not evidence of your eligibility to vote. It is just evidence you are the name on the list.

If that list has been compromised, and it has been, then your ID won't fix that.

I find it interesting all the whining over Voter ID somehow "suppressing" voter rights, yet there has not been provided one single piece of evidence where a case of voter suppression ever occurred as a result of these added measures. At the same time, the left consistently defends government actions to provide an ID, waiting periods, finger prints, and so on, for those who wish to follow their Constitutional right to own a firearm. There is no concern for suppressing someone rights to the second amendment, no examples of these added regulations ending gun violence, yet we are to have a hands off approach to voter integrity. The left simply has no case.

 

[Geaux4it]

What are the negative consequences relative to requiring picture ID? Is it cost?

I hear the leftist who point to the notion that voter fraud is near nil. OK- But when compared to Obama's statements about 2A, 'if we can save just one life', we need to impact the 99% of lawful gun owners as result of the mentally ill and criminal element.

So what's the difference here?

If we can stop voter fraud, albeit so small, we need to require voter ID to stop this small demographic.

It's for the children

-Geaux

 

[P@triot]

What are the negative consequences relative to requiring picture ID? Is it cost?

I hear the leftist who point to the notion that voter fraud is near nil. OK- But when compared to Obama's statements about 2A, 'if we can save just one life', we need to impact the 99% of lawful gun owners as result of the mentally ill and criminal element.

So what's the difference here?

If we can stop voter fraud, albeit so small, we need to require voter ID to stop this small demographic.

It's for the children

-Geaux

The difference is, the Dumbocrats know they will never win another election again without voter fraud. If we have proper and legal elections, it's over for them and they know it.

 

[Gunluvver2]

Some are federal, but most are state laws or activities where I live.

1. Boarding an airplane
2. Writing a check
3. Cashing a check
4. Using a credit card
5. Driving a motor vehicle
6. Applying for a business license
7. Applying for permission to hold a protest or rally
8. Securing employment
9. Purchasing a house or real estate
10. Renting a domicile
11. Renting a motor vehicle
12. Purchasing a firearm (Includes BB guns)
13. Applying for a hunting license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
14. Applying for a fishing license (waived for 16 and 17 year olds when their legal guardian provides a photo ID)
15. Purchasing alcoholic beverages
16. Purchasing tobacco or products that contain nicotine
17. Purchasing a motor vehicle
18. Initial registration of a motor vehicle
19. Applying for a building permit
20. Receiving prescription medicine
21. Purchasing OTC medicine that contains pseudoephedrine
22. Serving on jury duty
23. Getting a bank account
24. Cash transactions of $5000.00 or greater
25. Sales tax exemption for people aged 80 and above

Of the above, numbers 2, 3 and 4 are not state law but at a business owners discretion. By law, they can demand it. Numbers 15, 16 and 25 are usually applied using common sense, as in if you appear to be too young the business can demand proof and refuse to engage in the activity if one cannot provide proof of the required age law.

All of the above are things that occur on a daily basis but not necessarily to everybody.
Despite the above common actions that people engage in, some seem to think that asking for a photo ID for voting purposes is somehow a violation of civil liberties or an attempt to prevent people from voting. The really interesting part is that it is usually liberals claiming that it is conservatives attempting to prevent people from voting when a photo ID law would apply equally to both liberals and conservatives. Heck, they would apply equally regardless of age, gender, ethnicity, weight, sexual orientation, income, health, disability, race, wealth, intelligence, marital status, attractiveness, employment status and everything else. Is there something wrong with preventing the dead, the illegal aliens, the young (under the age of suffrage) and other non-qualified people from voting just as we prevent them from engaging in the activities listed above?

Recently I applied for an EBT card but was refused because I had too many assets ( I have a 30 year mortgage on a house the Tax Assesor say is worth more than the mortgage) . I wonder if an EBT card with a photo of the holder would be accepted for VOTER ID purposes? One thing mandatory photo ID on EBT cards would do is stop or slow down the practice of selling EBT cards for cash. But that would cripple Drug and Alcohol sales in my crime infested neighborhood.

 

[Resnic]

Every voter should be required to have a state or government issued id to vote.

There is no reason at all not to have one. Most places you can get a state issued id card for free.

Voting is a fundamental right, the activities you list, not; and the requirement by private sector entities is irrelevant, as the Constitution applies only to the public sector.
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The ones I listed have Constitutional aspects. And, one hard line right wing gripe is the intervention of the Federal government via "interstate commerce" decisions. None can compare with the fundamental right to vote.

And voting is a fundamental right, it's also in some ways more important than those other things. Something so critical should require an ID to engage in it. If voting is such a big deal then should it by definition require a certain measure of validity and security like having an ID to protect it? To help ensure fairness and to make sure that legal citizens are voting?

Something so sacred, important and critical to our country and you want just anyone to walk in willy nilly and vote with no ID at all?