Lions, and Tigers and Bears, Oh, My!

[NYcarbineer]

- Bing

Lincoln was a Republican. It took many years to wring the truth out of modern day Conservatives, i.e.,

that they generally despise Lincoln.

Is conservative the code word for denial of culpability on part of the democrats?

Would I be right or wrong to have concluded that most self-identified conservatives on this forum - who have taken a position on the matter -

believe that secession was/is legal and constitutional and it was Lincoln who was the villain to say otherwise?

 

[PoliticalChic]

How come you dropped 'Kimodo'?

The dragon jokes are getting a little dull with repetition.

"No conflict there..."

Nah....only for folks who speak English.

There was nothing wrong with my English. If you still see a conflict, your failing is logical, not linguistic.

"The dragon jokes are getting a little dull with repetition."
As are you.

"If you still see a conflict, your failing is logical, not linguistic."
Sure.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're an idiot. LOL!

Brilliant!

Glad to see you working to ability!

Based on your response, I now believe that the number of IQ points in the world has remained the same, but must be divided by the ever increasing population.

 

[Dragon]

"The dragon jokes are getting a little dull with repetition."
As are you.

No law says you have to respond, kiddo.

 

[francoHFW]

To brainwashed Pub dupes, having the bloated rich pay their fair share is a communist/nazi takeover. What the HECK is wrong with you? jfc

 

[rightwinger]

Lions lose...drop to 5-1

Bears play tonight

 

[Big Fitz]

To brainwashed Pub dupes, having the bloated rich pay their fair share is a communist/nazi takeover. What the HECK is wrong with you? jfc

The issue has always been in a definition of what is "fair". It seems that to achieve fair, we cannot have equality, because the two results are mutually exclusive.

To be equal under the law, the results of life will be different. There will be those who achieve and have great wealth based on their merits. That means some achieve and have more than others. This is not bad. This is normal economic forces in action. What you have to watch for is that those who merit power do not abuse the power and wealth they've earned fairly.

To be "fair" you cannot be equal under the law. Fair, like mommy makes it, means everyone gets the same slice of pie or cookies regardless of merit or achievement.

Of course, nobody monitors how much pie or cookies Mommy takes and everyone who supports this methodology of life wants to be the Mommy telling the kids how to divide up 'equal' slivers of whatever's left.

Essentially, those screaming 'fair' don't want fair, they just don't want to be held accountable or given their just rewards for their merits and achievement. Or if they do, they want things that are not meritorious counted as such for their reward. Silly things like intent, planning and compassion should seem to have intrinsic monetary value.

When are the poor going to give THEIR 'Fair Share' for the support and running of the government? They consume more than any rich person per capita. Maybe we can fix the gap in the budget by recouping it there since almost 50% of the bottom tax payers make money by doing their taxes by wealth redistribution.

 

[francoHFW]

When one group, in this case the richest 1 or 2 %, double their wealth over 30 years, while everyone else and the country suffers, that's wrong. Income tax fairness has ALWAYS been progressive. This new idea of yours, and that the poor are to blame, are Reaganomic's mistake and shame.

 

[daveman]

It happens to be the day they're dedicating the MLK statue, so it might be interesting to note...

50 years ago Conservatives were accusing Martin Luther King of being a Communist.

Nowadays, you have Conservatives running around trying to claim Martin Luther King was a Republican.

So you're all for the judging by the content of one's character, not the color of their skin, now?

I just claim that those who scream loudest they are his followers are often the farthest from his dreams and goals.

When I tell race-bating black leftists they're betraying MLK's dream, they tell me MLK would want them to play the race card all the time.

Yeah, I know. Stupid, huh?

 

[daveman]

You're not gonna like this:

"It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism."

It was written in 2006, which makes it a false statement. If it had been written in 1964, it would have been true about the GOP, but still only half-true about the Democrats. The GOP was founded as an anti-slavery party, and remained very staunchly a civil-rights party (among other things) until the 1960s. The Democrats were more divided, however, so the statement about the Democrats is just flat wrong. The only truth to it is that there was a faction within the Democrats that was pro-slavery before the Civil War, and did lead the charge to secession, and did uphold segregation. That portion of the Democratic Party dominated the South, which in those days considered Republicans anathema.

Are the Republicans still anathema in the South? Obviously not. Do the Democrats still dominate the South? Obviously not. Have things changed? Obviously so.

TODAY, the Republican Party is no longer the party of civil rights. That's just one of the things that has radically changed about it since the 1960s.

It made perfect sense for Martin Luther King, Jr. to be a Republican -- then. But it would make no sense at all for anyone who shares his views to be one now.

Repeating leftist memes is no substitute for rational thought.

 

[Full-Auto]

Lincoln was a Republican. It took many years to wring the truth out of modern day Conservatives, i.e.,

that they generally despise Lincoln.

Is conservative the code word for denial of culpability on part of the democrats?

Would I be right or wrong to have concluded that most self-identified conservatives on this forum - who have taken a position on the matter -

believe that secession was/is legal and constitutional and it was Lincoln who was the villain to say otherwise?

You didnt answer the question.

Come on your side claimed here in this very forum liberals invented capitalism. Could you please pass along the name of the inventor and the date of the invention, I want to pay my proper respects.

Do you base all of your political thoughts on this board?

 

[daveman]

It happens to be the day they're dedicating the MLK statue, so it might be interesting to note...

50 years ago Conservatives were accusing Martin Luther King of being a Communist.

Nowadays, you have Conservatives running around trying to claim Martin Luther King was a Republican.

So you're all for the judging by the content of one's character, not the color of their skin, now?

I just claim that those who scream loudest they are his followers are often the farthest from his dreams and goals.

No, I'm just pointing out, as I do every post in my sigline, that Conservatives are always on the wrong side of history.

You do know leftist history isn't really what happened, right?

No, you probably don't.

 

[daveman]

To brainwashed Pub dupes, having the bloated rich pay their fair share is a communist/nazi takeover. What the HECK is wrong with you? jfc

Why do you insist you deserve what you haven't earned?

Oh, yeah. You're a leftist. Crapped on any cop cars lately?

 

[flacaltenn]

When one group, in this case the richest 1 or 2 %, double their wealth over 30 years, while everyone else and the country suffers, that's wrong. Income tax fairness has ALWAYS been progressive. This new idea of yours, and that the poor are to blame, are Reaganomic's mistake and shame.

Who's blaming the poor? And for what? The reason the 1 or 2 % are doing well is that they are positioned with job skills that work in the 21st Century. If we could just get over this fantasized class war -- we could start working on creating a NEW economy where the skill sets are adjusted so that THE BOTTOM can start to thrive again..

Nobody seems to want to talk about fixing anything. Just burning the fancy furniture for heat and warmth..

 

[francoHFW]

To brainwashed Pub dupes, having the bloated rich pay their fair share is a communist/nazi takeover. What the HECK is wrong with you? jfc

Why do you insist you deserve what you haven't earned?

Oh, yeah. You're a leftist. Crapped on any cop cars lately?

The COUNTRY deserves it, brainwashed non sequitur boy...can you carry on an intellectual conversation?

 

[francoHFW]

When one group, in this case the richest 1 or 2 %, double their wealth over 30 years, while everyone else and the country suffers, that's wrong. Income tax fairness has ALWAYS been progressive. This new idea of yours, and that the poor are to blame, are Reaganomic's mistake and shame.

Who's blaming the poor? And for what? The reason the 1 or 2 % are doing well is that they are positioned with job skills that work in the 21st Century. If we could just get over this fantasized class war -- we could start working on creating a NEW economy where the skill sets are adjusted so that THE BOTTOM can start to thrive again..

Nobody seems to want to talk about fixing anything. Just burning the fancy furniture for heat and warmth..

You're joking. The dittohead ARGUMENT is all about greedy lazy poor people who want peoples' money. The reason the wealth have doubled their money is VOODOO. JFC!

The Dems have already made college loans cheaper. Public college costs doubled under Booosh. What news DO you people watch?

 

[Big Fitz]

It happens to be the day they're dedicating the MLK statue, so it might be interesting to note...

50 years ago Conservatives were accusing Martin Luther King of being a Communist.

Nowadays, you have Conservatives running around trying to claim Martin Luther King was a Republican.

So you're all for the judging by the content of one's character, not the color of their skin, now?

I just claim that those who scream loudest they are his followers are often the farthest from his dreams and goals.

When I tell race-bating black leftists they're betraying MLK's dream, they tell me MLK would want them to play the race card all the time.

Yeah, I know. Stupid, huh?

To mangle a line from Mojo from an X-Men annual:

Major Domo: "Just consider it your friend, Mr. Hypocrisy, in action."
Mojo: "Well if he's going to make such a mess, he's no friend of mine!"

 

[Big Fitz]

When one group, in this case the richest 1 or 2 %, double their wealth over 30 years, while everyone else and the country suffers, that's wrong. Income tax fairness has ALWAYS been progressive. This new idea of yours, and that the poor are to blame, are Reaganomic's mistake and shame.

And progressive taxation is not fair either. Fair would be a flat amount. Everyone pays the same amount like say $5k a year to the government. But that amounts to a regressive tax which is not fair to the poor. Why is flat amount the most fair? Everyone pays the same amount regardless of who they are or means.

That being said, the most equitable style of taxation is flat rate. Everyone gets the same percentage of income paid. 10% for a person making 10k a year is a small amount as compared to a person making 10 million a year. Yes the rich person pays more which is unfair, but it is still equitable because the impact on his life is similar to that of the poor person making 10k a year. This is what makes it equitable and the most equal in application.

So... since the poor MAKE money by wealth re-distribution in the tax code, by what right does this theft spawn? Rights are non-exclusive. My right to do something ends at the beginning of someone else's rights. Case in point, the right to swing my fist stops at the end of your nose.

 

[daveman]

To brainwashed Pub dupes, having the bloated rich pay their fair share is a communist/nazi takeover. What the HECK is wrong with you? jfc

Why do you insist you deserve what you haven't earned?

Oh, yeah. You're a leftist. Crapped on any cop cars lately?

The COUNTRY deserves it, brainwashed non sequitur boy...

And you want your "fair" share, don't you?

...can you carry on an intellectual conversation?

All the time. Your problem is you can't recognize one.

 

[Big Fitz]

Why do you insist you deserve what you haven't earned?

Oh, yeah. You're a leftist. Crapped on any cop cars lately?

The COUNTRY deserves it, brainwashed non sequitur boy...

And you want your "fair" share, don't you?

...can you carry on an intellectual conversation?

All the time. Your problem is you can't recognize one.

as long as he doesn't have to EARN his 'fair' share instead of his merit based accomplishments.

As the title of the book says: "It's obvious you can't survive by your wits alone".