Lions, and Tigers and Bears, Oh, My!

[PoliticalChic]

Your post reeks of fear....
...what are you afraid of?

Not the truth, are you?

I have to be honest, I think it was a fair analysis. He directly addressed the logical merits of your arguments. How that "reeks of fear" is beyond me. But your reply was pretty much a personal jab, with no argument, no fact, nothing but an attack on the person while ignoring the subject matter. I guess I'm a bit disappointed because I kinda expected you to offer something thoughtful. But now you've put a stain on anything reasonable you might have had to say in this discussion.

You're about to get the next 'personal jab,' buster!

I may have to give you the Picasso-facelift: both eyes knocked to one side of your face.

 

[Inthemiddle]

You're about to get the next 'personal jab,' buster!

I may have to give you the Picasso-facelift: both eyes knocked to one side of your face.

And you think that will prove your position accurate?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Lincoln was a Republican. It took many years to wring the truth out of modern day Conservatives, i.e.,

that they generally despise Lincoln.

True, particularly in the South. Lincoln was seen as the ‘instigator’ of ‘Federalism’ contributing to the demise of ‘states’ rights.’

And you think that will prove your position accurate?

For an ideologue such as the OP, accuracy is irrelevant.

 

[Dragon]

Then began to loosen and expand the rules of AFDC eligibility, eventually getting to the point where any woman living alone with children could take advantage of this program. In doing so, they not only bought a large number of new votes, they also incentivized out of wedlock births and single motherhood.

This is a myth. That is to say, it is a myth that most single black mothers are on welfare:

Study on Black Single Moms Debunks Stereotypes - NAM

It is also a myth that single parenthood among blacks is increasing:

Declining Share of Children Lived with Single Mothers in the Late 1990s - 6/15/01

And finally, it is unclear how "single parenthood" is actually defined in all of this. If a child lives with two parents but they are unmarried, is he living in a "single parent home"? Technically yes, but for any reasonable practical purpose, no.

Not only that, but you are going to have a hard time finding black people who aren't rich, and who will agree with your contention that welfare is primarily to blame for such decline in the black family as has in fact occurred.

LBJ was not in all in favor of civil rights,...but was a consumate politician. He bought the black vote at the expense of subjugation to the Democrat tether.

That giving people help amounts to controlling them is a frequent Republican contention that makes no sense. Welfare has never paid as much as a good job pays. Even now when jobs pay shit for the most part, because welfare does, too. The idea that a black mother, forced by circumstances to raise her children alone, might prefer to be on welfare so she could spend time with her kids rather than being an absent parent, makes some sense. But the idea that a black woman without a mate would have kids so she could get on welfare when jobs were available, is nonsense.

You've been hit by a car and are lying on the pavement in shock. One person helps you to a safe position, gives you first aid for shock, and calls an ambulance. The other stands on the sidelines yelling, "Don't be such a baby! Stand on your own two feet!"

You're saying, in effect, that the second person is more a friend and helper than the first.

Herman Cain got it right when he said "I Left The Democrat Plantation" Long Ago.

In the next election, you may see lots of black Americans do the same.

Those who make the kind of money Cain does, perhaps. Others, no.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're about to get the next 'personal jab,' buster!

I may have to give you the Picasso-facelift: both eyes knocked to one side of your face.

And you think that will prove your position accurate?

You know who the last person to get me to post the way they wanted
me to???

Neither do I.

But, guys with your sense of humor are very popular....Of course, your popularity is verified by you choice of cookbooks, “Vegan Cooking for One.”

Write soon, y'hear!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Lincoln was a Republican. It took many years to wring the truth out of modern day Conservatives, i.e.,

that they generally despise Lincoln.

True, particularly in the South. Lincoln was seen as the ‘instigator’ of ‘Federalism’ contributing to the demise of ‘states’ rights.’

And you think that will prove your position accurate?

For an ideologue such as the OP, accuracy is irrelevant.

...wait a moment, while I put down my guns and religious texts….

Ahhhhhh! (picture me clutching my chest and falling to the floor)

I am hurt to the quick, jonesy!!!

To think, you held a grudge just because I recognized you as one of the Pep Boys!!!
Not very big of you, jonesy.

If you need me, I'll be in my room sulking.


JUST KIDDING! FOOLED 'YA.

 

[Inthemiddle]

You know who the last person to get me to post the way they wanted me to???

If you think I'm trying to "get you to post the way I want you to" then you are quite mistaken. I am just pointing out that so far, you've not presented a rational argument, so that other readers might not be inclined to fall for the logical failings you're presenting here. If anything, at this point I'd like to encourage you to continue posting as you are, so that you can continue to illustrate your lack of good reasoning in this thread.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Then began to loosen and expand the rules of AFDC eligibility, eventually getting to the point where any woman living alone with children could take advantage of this program. In doing so, they not only bought a large number of new votes, they also incentivized out of wedlock births and single motherhood.

This is a myth. That is to say, it is a myth that most single black mothers are on welfare:

Study on Black Single Moms Debunks Stereotypes - NAM

It is also a myth that single parenthood among blacks is increasing:

Declining Share of Children Lived with Single Mothers in the Late 1990s - 6/15/01

And finally, it is unclear how "single parenthood" is actually defined in all of this. If a child lives with two parents but they are unmarried, is he living in a "single parent home"? Technically yes, but for any reasonable practical purpose, no.

Not only that, but you are going to have a hard time finding black people who aren't rich, and who will agree with your contention that welfare is primarily to blame for such decline in the black family as has in fact occurred.

LBJ was not in all in favor of civil rights,...but was a consumate politician. He bought the black vote at the expense of subjugation to the Democrat tether.

That giving people help amounts to controlling them is a frequent Republican contention that makes no sense. Welfare has never paid as much as a good job pays. Even now when jobs pay shit for the most part, because welfare does, too. The idea that a black mother, forced by circumstances to raise her children alone, might prefer to be on welfare so she could spend time with her kids rather than being an absent parent, makes some sense. But the idea that a black woman without a mate would have kids so she could get on welfare when jobs were available, is nonsense.

You've been hit by a car and are lying on the pavement in shock. One person helps you to a safe position, gives you first aid for shock, and calls an ambulance. The other stands on the sidelines yelling, "Don't be such a baby! Stand on your own two feet!"

You're saying, in effect, that the second person is more a friend and helper than the first.

Herman Cain got it right when he said "I Left The Democrat Plantation" Long Ago.

In the next election, you may see lots of black Americans do the same.

Those who make the kind of money Cain does, perhaps. Others, no.

Guess again, lizard-skin!

1. Even in the antebellum era, when slaves often weren't permitted to wed, most black children lived with a biological mother and father. During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women. "The welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery couldn't do, what Jim Crow couldn't do, what the harshest racism couldn't do," Mr. Williams says. "And that is to destroy the black family."
The Weekend Interview with Walter Williams: The State Against Blacks - WSJ.com

2. A key to why ‘poverty’ ceased to decline almost as soon as the ‘War on Poverty’ began, is that the poor and lower-income population stopped working, and this led to the other deteriorating social conditions Murray cites. In 1960, almost 2/3 of lowest-income households were headed by persons who worked. http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-080.pdf

a. By 1991, this number was down to only one third….and only 11% working full time. Nor was this due to being unable to find work, as the ‘80’s and ‘90’s were boom times.

3. Here we see an inherent weakness in Liberal thinking, that is that they are the smartest of folks, and their brilliance is necessary for other to prosper. The sequitur is that the people that they guide are stupid. No, the problem is that, with government welfare programs offering such generous and wide-ranging benefits, form housing to medical care to food stamps to outright cash, many reduce or eliminate their work effort.

4. Proof? Sure. The government conducted a study, 1971-1978 known as the Seattle-Denver Income Maintenance Experiment, or SIME-DIME, in which low income families were give a guaranteed income, a welfare package with everything liberal policy makers could hope for. Result: for every dollar of extra welfare given, low income recipients reduced their labor by 80 cents. http://www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/12794.pdf

a. Further results: dissolution of families: “This conclusion was unambiguously unfavorable to advocates of a negative income tax that would cover married couples, for two important reasons. First, increased
marital breakups among the poor would increase the numbers on
welfare and the amount of transfer payments, principally because the
separated wife and children would receive higher transfer payments.
Second, marital dissolutions and the usual accompanying absence of
fathers from households with children are generally considered unfavorable outcomes regardless of whether or not the welfare rolls increase.” http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/conf/conf30/conf30c.pdf

b. “When families received guaranteed income at 90% of the poverty level, there was a 43% increase in black family dissolution and a 63% increase in white family dissolution. At 125% of the poverty levels, dissolutions were 75% and 40%.” Robert B. Carleson, “Government Is The Problem,” p. 57.


Welfare breaks up families, and the welfare system makes it difficult for any families to leave the 'Democrat plantation.'

 

[rightwinger]

mlk was republican - Bing

Martin Luther King was a Republican

Martin Luther King Jr was not

I donno....got a link for that?
Or is it apocryphal?

You're not gonna like this:

"It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism."
Why Martin Luther King Was Republican - HUMAN EVENTS

Do you have any real proof other than a rightwing fluff piece that assumes he was a republican? You usually are much better

 

[PoliticalChic]

You know who the last person to get me to post the way they wanted me to???

If you think I'm trying to "get you to post the way I want you to" then you are quite mistaken. I am just pointing out that so far, you've not presented a rational argument, so that other readers might not be inclined to fall for the logical failings you're presenting here. If anything, at this point I'd like to encourage you to continue posting as you are, so that you can continue to illustrate your lack of good reasoning in this thread.

Take a walk, Urkel.

 

[Full-Auto]

Lincoln was a Republican. It took many years to wring the truth out of modern day Conservatives, i.e.,

that they generally despise Lincoln.

True, particularly in the South. Lincoln was seen as the ‘instigator’ of ‘Federalism’ contributing to the demise of ‘states’ rights.’

And you think that will prove your position accurate?

For an ideologue such as the OP, accuracy is irrelevant.

...wait a moment, while I put down my guns and religious texts….

Ahhhhhh! (picture me clutching my chest and falling to the floor)

I am hurt to the quick, jonesy!!!

To think, you held a grudge just because I recognized you as one of the Pep Boys!!!
Not very big of you, jonesy.

If you need me, I'll be in my room sulking.


JUST KIDDING! FOOLED 'YA.

What a lovely theme

Pep Boys.... where everything is left!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Martin Luther King was a Republican

Martin Luther King Jr was not

I donno....got a link for that?
Or is it apocryphal?

You're not gonna like this:

"It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism."
Why Martin Luther King Was Republican - HUMAN EVENTS

Do you have any real proof other than a rightwing fluff piece that assumes he was a republican? You usually are much better

Try to incorporate this old saw into your worldview, wingy..."You can't beat something with nothing."

You brought nothing, so the "fluff piece" wins.

"You usually are much better!"
You just watch yer mouth, wingy....I am not better!

 

[Inthemiddle]

1. Even in the antebellum era, when slaves often weren't permitted to wed, most black children lived with a biological mother and father. During Reconstruction and up until the 1940s, 75% to 85% of black children lived in two-parent families. Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women.

You know, back in those days black women were probably not really materialistic. They didn't demand a man pay for their shit and have money to burn. I mean, they were slaves, right? But now, society as a whole teaches us that women should demand a man who has money and will pay for whatever she wants, and that if he doesn't then he's not good enough to marry. Maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[flacaltenn]

The Lions are 5-0 and showing signs of being a definite threat come playoff time

The Tigers got a beatdown from the Rangers last night and were sent packing

The Bears are overrated once again and don't have a chance in the same division as the Packers and the Lions

What about you birds????


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35puUhqQJc]When I see an Elephant Fly - YouTube[/ame]

Careful there PChick -- That Disney flick and all the Uncle Remus stuff is now verboten RACIST cartoons.. It's like when I described Sarah Palin as the Left's "tar baby".

 

[Inthemiddle]

Take a walk, Urkel.

You know, the I can't remember the last time anyone managed to get me to do what they wanted.

 

[Dragon]

Guess again, lizard-skin!

I'm leaving that in, even though it's content-free fluff, because unlike a lot of insults it's kind of amusing. Not bad.

Today, more than 70% of black children are born to single women.

Right, I'm not disputing the statistic, just what it means, and also your assumptions about the cause. Regarding the first:

A child may be "born out of wedlock" or "born to a single women" if a) Dad knocked up Mom and split; b) Mom and Dad have a relationship that for whatever reason they choose not to formalize with legal marriage; or c) Mom and Dad had Junior before they were married but are married now. If we see an increase in "out of wedlock births," does that mean more of a), b), or c) is happening? The only problem is if it represents more of a).

I would also point out that out-of-wedlock births are on the rise worldwide, so the increase in the black community can't be treated as an isolated instance.

And there's also this:

The math on Black out of wedlock births - Ta-Nehisi Coates - Entertainment - The Atlantic

In other words, no one disputes that 70 percent of black babies are born out of wedlock--or maybe they do, I never have. What we dispute are the reasons why. One notion that's gained quite a bit of currency is that over the last 40 years, black mothers have, for whatever reason, decided that they'd much rather be single mothers. But the facts don't back this up. As the data shows unmarried black women are having less, not more, kids then they were having 40 years ago. Furthermore, the number of unmarried black women having kids is declining, while the number of unmarried women--overall--having babies is increasing.

More to the point, the assertion that welfare is responsible for the increase in out-of-wedlock births is one with no data to support it.

2. A key to why ‘poverty’ ceased to decline almost as soon as the ‘War on Poverty’ began,

This is a statement contrary to fact, thus we need no "key" to understand it -- it's just wrong.

http://www.nal.usda.gov/ric/ricpubs/rural_development_chap8.pdf

Rates of poverty fell throughout the 1960s and early 1970s. The Economic Opportunity Act of 1964 and the Social Security Act of 1965 were the primary initiatives of the War on Poverty. During the decade after they were introduced, poverty rates fell to their lowest level in history: 11.1% in 1973 compared to 17.3% when the measures were introduced. A decade after is not "almost as soon as."

Poverty rates began rising again in the mid 1970s, clearly as a result of the worsening economy, though, not because of welfare.

None of the remaining points you make are any better. All of them depend either on assertion of facts which are wrong, or on dubious comparisons between things that are not in fact comparable, or on assumptions of causation when no evidence of causation exists.

 

[Big Fitz]

The Lions are 5-0 and showing signs of being a definite threat come playoff time

The Tigers got a beatdown from the Rangers last night and were sent packing

The Bears are overrated once again and don't have a chance in the same division as the Packers and the Lions

What about you birds????


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35puUhqQJc]When I see an Elephant Fly - YouTube[/ame]

Careful there PChick -- That Disney flick and all the Uncle Remus stuff is now verboten RACIST cartoons.. It's like when I described Sarah Palin as the Left's "tar baby".

That'd be from Dumbo.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Lions are 5-0 and showing signs of being a definite threat come playoff time

The Tigers got a beatdown from the Rangers last night and were sent packing

The Bears are overrated once again and don't have a chance in the same division as the Packers and the Lions

What about you birds????


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35puUhqQJc]When I see an Elephant Fly - YouTube[/ame]

Careful there PChick -- That Disney flick and all the Uncle Remus stuff is now verboten RACIST cartoons.. It's like when I described Sarah Palin as the Left's "tar baby".

"Racist" is so five minutes ago.

As you can see, it ain't verboten to me.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Polticalchick is playing pretend again. This time it's "let's pretend that anyone who supports OWS speaks for the entire movement" game. The rules are you can only play that game with OWS not the Tea Party because..yanno, that's not fair

And? You do the exact same thing with the tea party or any other conservative group. If some absolute lunatic speaks out, you automatically shove him in front as ceremonial head of the movement.

But when the same is done, justly or not to you, all we get is "THEY DON'T REPRESENT US ALL!
If you didn't have double standards, you'd have no standards at all.

And you called those people stupid. So what does what the "left" has done have to do with you? Nothing

 

[yidnar]

The Lions are 5-0 and showing signs of being a definite threat come playoff time

The Tigers got a beatdown from the Rangers last night and were sent packing

The Bears are overrated once again and don't have a chance in the same division as the Packers and the Lions

I hope you lose your job and retirement benefits!!........with the mess the left has made of things it could happen !!