LilOlLady's Everlasting Gobstopper Illegal Immigration Thread

[dramaofmylife]

This birthright perk has got to go. It only serves to bring in the poor from other countries, drop their babies here and immediately qualify for all the resources put in place for the poor here who are citizens. These babies then are deemed citizens and are entitled to everything this country has to offer. Somehow that does not seem fair to those here who have to pay those astronomical taxes that the poor don't pay and who via their birthright babies qualify for the freebies.

You got that right!

 

[Intense]

Birthright citizenship is outdated, the US is the only developed country who still does this. It is said that the 14th amendment was written to discourage discrimination against the children of former African American slaves, not so that every illegal and her sister can come over here, have their kids and collect welfare benefits because their kids are "called" American. If the authors of the 14th amendment knew that illegal immigrants would be rushing this country and taking advantage of this amendment, I'm sure they would have taken further measures to clarify it. I live here in the Phoenix area and I see the devestating effects of birthright citizenship.

Here in Arizona, programs like medicaid and child care assistance are frozen up with a waiting list that has not budged for the last two years because of illegal immigrants and their birthright kids weighing the system down. AZ's public school system has frantically tried to keep up with this exploding population of immigrants and their birthright kids by building a school on every corner and trying to teach these kids English and it hasn't been enough; the classes are STILL overflowing with 30+ kids to each class and AZ schools are among the worst in the country. I literally received a letter from the school district a few weeks ago explaining the the reason this school district has not met state standards for the last three years and only 30% of the kids passed AZ state tests is because of the Non-English speakers. And yes, you read that right. AZ has spent all this money to build all these schools and spend all this time teaching these birthright and immigrant kids English, yet they STILL will not speak English. Enough is enough already, it has come to a point where our congress has NO CHOICE but to do something with the 14th amendment. Because if they don't do something the border states will literally be like Mexico inside the US if they are not already.

If The Federal Government was required to fund every Mandate, things would change real quick.

 

[dramaofmylife]

MEXICO NEED IT’S YOUNG.

We do not need Mexico’s young and strong in our workforce or our military to fight for our freedom and the threat of terrorism. But Mexico needs it’s young men and women to fight a real threat that is killing their people and a real threat to the freedom for Mexico. Mexico is at war with drug cartels. Mexico also need a young, strong work force to build a strong economy for Mexico and to keep it’s people home. And a strong military to win the war against drug cartels.
We are doing a great harm to the future of Mexico by allowing uncontrolled migration of it’s people.
Comprehensive Immigration Reform is a nation destroyer. A bigger threat to Mexico then the drug cartels. Mexico needs man power worse than they need money and we have their man power. 10 million at least who are Mexico’s future.
Educate their children but then send them home to benefit Mexico. A strong Mexico means a strong America. By destroying Mexico, we are destroying ourselves. Isn’t that what Obama said on his last trip? Our economy depend on a strong economy world wide? We need to help Mexico by sending it people home and amnesty for it’s people will destroy Mexico. Amnesty for illegal aliens is not only wrong but immoral.
Mexico’s future in not in our workforce or our military. We are letting future votes and cheap labor for corporations that are big campaign contributors blind our senses.

I agree with everything except for the part about educating them, they need to educate their own. Instead of staying and fighting for their country, they run like cowards to ours and have a ton of babies so they can collect welfare. I swear some people just have no pride.

 

[dramaofmylife]

Legalization Would Have Financial And Social Benefits
The legalization of illegal immigrants would lead to some improvements in governmental programs. Many states are required to treat illegal immigrants with medical problems without payment. The states and their taxpayers, then, foot the bill. This sort of policy has helped to bankrupt states like California. But legalizing illegal immigrants would help reduce such instances. Once legalized, immigrants would become responsible for their own medical care. LOL



Illegal aliens are low income earners and pay little or no taxes and would qualify for social services. Medicaid, food stamps and public or low income housing. Section 8. Adding them on to Obamacare would be astronomical in cost.

I don't know about that, the hospitals would still have to treat them. The only difference would be that the hospitals could turn them into the credit bureaus and I really don't think that a bunch of people who come here illegally to begin with care about that.

 

[LilOlLady]

black pride"[/B] and get federal funding.
Say "white pride" and get federal surveillance.

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William the differnce is;Black prideFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Black pride is a slogan used to raise awareness of black racial identity, and to express solidarity. Related movements include black nationalism and Afrocentrism.
The slogan has been used in the United States by African Americans to celebrate heritage and personal pride. The black pride movement is closely linked with the developments of the American civil rights movement, during which figures such as Martin Luther King, Jr., A. Philip Randolph, Malcom X and Stokely Carmichael spoke out against the conditions of the United States' segregated society, and lobbied for better treatment for people of all races.


Black pride - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

White prideFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The slogan "White Pride, World Wide" appears in the logo of Stormfront, a website owned and operated by Don Black, who was formerly a Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. The North Georgia White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan describe themselves as "a patriotic, White Christian revival movement dedicated to preserving the maintenance of White Pride and the rights of the White Race".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride

 

[Laura]

The retired immigration enforcement officer did not answer Lawrence O'Donald's question "How did it make you feel when you had to arrest someone like the gentleman on the panel and send them back to Mexico." He completely deflected the question to a discussion of starving children in this country - AS IF LATINOS ARE RESPONSIBLE! NOW ASK THE GUY HOW CORPORATIONS CAN ALLOW ANY CHILDREN TO STARVE WHILE THEY AMAS BILLIONS IN PROFITS WITH WHICH TO BUY THEIR NEXT YACHT OR GARISH MANSION!

 

[Laura]

Corporations have the means and ability to see to it that every person in this country has a safe home, food on the table and stable employment.

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION OF ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL AND JUST PLAIN OBNOXIOUS CORPORATE BEHAVIOR THAT IS THE REAL REASON THIS ECONOMY IS IN THE TANK?

THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEM OF RESOURCES - NOT THE HISPANICS OR ANY OTHER POPULATION!

THE PROBLEM - CORPORATE GREED AND OUR GOVERNMENT'S COOPERATION WITH IT!

THE PROBLEM - MONEY IN POLITICS!

THE PROBLEM - A RIGHT WING SUPREME COURT SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS OF CORPORATIONS OVER INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS!

I am lily white and can't stand this constant blaming of Hispanics for the ills of this country. It's time to pull back the covers and expose the Corporations who have funneled money from the Middle Class for decades while the Government applauded with Right Wing hands tainted with Corporate dollars.

 

[WillowTree]

Corporations have the means and ability to see to it that every person in this country has a safe home, food on the table and stable employment.

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION OF ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL AND JUST PLAIN OBNOXIOUS CORPORATE BEHAVIOR THAT IS THE REAL REASON THIS ECONOMY IS IN THE TANK?

THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEM OF RESOURCES - NOT THE HISPANICS OR ANY OTHER POPULATION!

THE PROBLEM - CORPORATE GREED AND OUR GOVERNMENT'S COOPERATION WITH IT!

THE PROBLEM - MONEY IN POLITICS!

THE PROBLEM - A RIGHT WING SUPREME COURT SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS OF CORPORATIONS OVER INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS!

I am lily white and can't stand this constant blaming of Hispanics for the ills of this country. It's time to pull back the covers and expose the Corporations who have funneled money from the Middle Class for decades while the Government applauded with Right Wing hands tainted with Corporate dollars.

You suck you stupid asshole, You would let a thief move into your house, steal your money, steal your food and steal you education and your medical care, your electricity and your hot water and blame it on corporations. You just plain suck.

 

[Angelhair]

Corporations have the means and ability to see to it that every person in this country has a safe home, food on the table and stable employment.
----And I bet you voted for Obama and would love to live under socialism too.

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION OF ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL AND JUST PLAIN OBNOXIOUS CORPORATE BEHAVIOR THAT IS THE REAL REASON THIS ECONOMY IS IN THE TANK?
----Cause Mexico/Central/SoAmerica are in cahoots with these corporations which you claim are responsible for the economy being in the tank.

THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEM OF RESOURCES - NOT THE HISPANICS OR ANY OTHER POPULATION!
----Blame the countries where these people escape from; not the corportions as it's those countries who want to keep them 'barefoot and pregnant'.

THE PROBLEM - CORPORATE GREED AND OUR GOVERNMENT'S COOPERATION WITH IT!
----It's so damn easy to blame the country who does more for the world. You live in a capitalist system - but there are other countries which you might like better. Look them up.

THE PROBLEM - MONEY IN POLITICS!
----What??? They should be in politics for free???? Again, a capitalist system.

THE PROBLEM - A RIGHT WING SUPREME COURT SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS OF CORPORATIONS OVER INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS!
----No, the problem is the LEFT-WING Supreme Court supporting the socialist mentality of the left-wing loonies. Case closed.

I am lily white and can't stand this constant blaming of Hispanics for the ills of this country. It's time to pull back the covers and expose the Corporations who have funneled money from the Middle Class for decades while the Government applauded with Right Wing hands tainted with Corporate dollars.

----Discribe 'lily white'. The blame falls on the countries these hisipanics come from for not doing more to get these people out of poverty - the word corruption comes to mind. The illegal entry of these people falls on the USA government refusing to keep them out and you can blame the bleeding heart liberals for that one! Interesting - now it's only the right wingers who OWN the corporations and the dollars.[/I]

 

[daveman]

Corporations have the means and ability to see to it that every person in this country has a safe home, food on the table and stable employment.

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION OF ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL AND JUST PLAIN OBNOXIOUS CORPORATE BEHAVIOR THAT IS THE REAL REASON THIS ECONOMY IS IN THE TANK?

THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEM OF RESOURCES - NOT THE HISPANICS OR ANY OTHER POPULATION!

THE PROBLEM - CORPORATE GREED AND OUR GOVERNMENT'S COOPERATION WITH IT!

THE PROBLEM - MONEY IN POLITICS!

THE PROBLEM - A RIGHT WING SUPREME COURT SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS OF CORPORATIONS OVER INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS!

I am lily white and can't stand this constant blaming of Hispanics for the ills of this country. It's time to pull back the covers and expose the Corporations who have funneled money from the Middle Class for decades while the Government applauded with Right Wing hands tainted with Corporate dollars.

Then you give your stuff and money away to the poor "undocumented workers" to salve your wounded ego.

But don't think you have any moral authority to give MY stuff and money away.

 

[LilOlLady]

WILL OF THE PEOPLE; NO AMNESTY.

Obama, Reid and Pelosi were hired to do the work for the people and the people do not want Comprehensive Immigration reform (amnesty, path to citizenship, Dream Act) whatever they want to call it means the same. The people want border security and enforcement of our immigration laws.

Just because 30 million aliens have entered this country illegally does not mean our immigration system is broken. It means our government have not been doing the job they were hired to do. By not enforcing our immigration laws and securing the border is why the immigration system is not working, but it is not broken and in need of repair or replacement.

Amnesty in 1986 did not fix illegal immigration or secure the border and will not fix it in 2010 and 30 million more illegal aliens.

Dream Act is nothing more then amnesty for all illegal aliens because there is not way our government is going to put the children on a path to citizenship and deport their parents. What kind of fools do they think we are?

“It’s not amnesty. They have to earn citizenship by paying a fine, learning English, pay back taxes pass a criminal back ground check and go to the back of the invisible line.” I have not heard more BS in a barnyard.

 

[LilOlLady]

Beyond Borderlines Town Hall on Immigration
WATCH: MSNBC Beyond Borderlines Town Hall on Immigration | Latina

MSNBC special on the view of Hispanic on immigrant was just an excuse for Amnesty and their trying to compare the illegal immigration from Mexico to the immigraints that came here from Europe through Ellis Island. These people were really tired, poor huddled masses yearning to breathe free, homeless and tempest-tossed to make a better life for themselves and to have a better life given to them. Not like those who are illegal crossing our southern border now asking what this country can give them.
We are no longer into nation building, but nation survival and illegal immigration today cannot be compared to immigration of old that built this country.

correction;
Not to have a better life given to them.

 

[LilOlLady]

Corporations have the means and ability to see to it that every person in this country has a safe home, food on the table and stable employment.

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION OF ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL AND JUST PLAIN OBNOXIOUS CORPORATE BEHAVIOR THAT IS THE REAL REASON THIS ECONOMY IS IN THE TANK?

THESE CORPORATIONS HAVE CAUSED THE PROBLEM OF RESOURCES - NOT THE HISPANICS OR ANY OTHER POPULATION!

THE PROBLEM - CORPORATE GREED AND OUR GOVERNMENT'S COOPERATION WITH IT!

THE PROBLEM - MONEY IN POLITICS!

THE PROBLEM - A RIGHT WING SUPREME COURT SUPPORTING THE RIGHTS OF CORPORATIONS OVER INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS!

I am lily white and can't stand this constant blaming of Hispanics for the ills of this country. It's time to pull back the covers and expose the Corporations who have funneled money from the Middle Class for decades while the Government applauded with Right Wing hands tainted with Corporate dollars.

What part of ILLEGAL do you not understand? Corporations do not go to south of the border and drag illegal alien screaming and kicking back across the border, give them false social security card and IDs,etc. No one forces the to break the law. Lily white liberal just may be your problem.

 

[chicagonut]

Agreed. There are three guilty parties in this illegal immigration mess. The employers, our government and the illegals themselves. However, the libs and ethnocentrics want to give the illegals a pass in this.

 

[LilOlLady]

2 Nevada lawmakers to push for immigration law


The Associated Press
.At least two Republicans seek to introduce legislation targeting illegal immigration at the upcoming session of the Nevada Legislature.


Gustavson is pushing for a bill based on the controversial Arizona immigration law being challenged in federal court. He also wants legislation requiring driver's license exams to be administered in English only. The exams now also are given in Spanish.


Hickey seeks legislation that would require employers to use the federal E-Verify system to determine whether employees are authorized to work in the U.S. He also plans to push for a bill that would impose a fee on money wire transfers outside the country.

Hickey said the latter bill would give undocumented workers who send money home each month a better chance to "pay their fair share."


Gustavson said the goal of his Arizona-style bill is to "get citizens in Nevada back to work."



Read more at the San Francisco Examiner:
2 Nevada lawmakers to push for immigration law | San Francisco Examiner

 

[bag]

Hickey said the latter bill would give undocumented workers who send money home each month a better chance to "pay their fair share."

gee, i'd like to tax money MADE by a legitimate worker, double....oooops......

 

[Bullfighter]

Hickey said the latter bill would give undocumented workers who send money home each month a better chance to "pay their fair share."

gee, i'd like to tax money MADE by a legitimate worker, double....oooops......

Yes! Stealing everything in the US and sending it home (Mexico)sounds good to the Mexican people too!

 

[LilOlLady]

THE DREAM ACT IS A TERRORIST ACT AGAINST AMERICANS


The Dream Act along with 14th Amendment is a nightmare for every American. It will put millions illegal aliens here and in Mexico on a path to citizenship via their illegal aliens children and their American born children.

These acts will displace millions of Americans in the education system and the workforce and at the voting booths. And the end results is total destruction of America as we know it with no chance of ever controlling illegal immigration or legal immigration.

Dream Act can only be described as; “Terrorist Act.” “Bail out” for illegal aliens and a “ ”Never Ending Nightmare” for Americans.Illegal alien terrorists is a far more serious threat to the safety and freedom of Americans than any other foreign terrorist threat.



We need to fight this Dream Act like we are fighting for our lives and losing is not an option.

 

[LilOlLady]

ILLEGAL ALIENS MAKE NO CONTRIBUTION.

Illegal aliens make no contributions to this country what so ever. The benefits they receive by way of their anchor babies, welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, public housing and section 8 housing, and the benefits of free emergency room medical care. Canceled out any taxes they may pay.
They are low income earners and pay very little taxes if any. They take jobs from Americans and lower wages.
They do not pay my social security because social security is going broke and were is my social security COLA?

The Dream Act will cause “chain migration” of millions of immigrants that we don’t have jobs for. 15 million Americans are unemployed and we don’t know how many illegal aliens are unemployed or collecting unemployment.
If the Dream act put millions into our military, they will be paid and eventually qualify for all veterans benefits.

Only contribution illegal aliens make is to corporations who want unlimited supply of cheap labor without have to pay health insurance or unemployment benefits and future votes for democrats.

Illegal aliens are still entering this country daily in hope of benefiting from the promise of Comprehensive Immigration Reform (amnesty) and there is no work for them and they turn to committing crimes. One such we was ask why he committed crime said because there is not work. Crimes are on the increase with the unemployment of illegal alien.
With illegal immigration comes more gang violence and drug smuggling and dealing.



Law enforcement seeing increase of illegal immigrants jailed across Treasure Coast
September 5th, 2010 by TCPalm.com
Law enforcement seeing increase of illegal immigrants jailed across Treasure Coast | Treasure Coast Talk

 

[Mad Scientist]

I can't wait to see their faces when the North American Union is announced and they find out there isn't a Mexico to go back to!