Libertarians Are The True Political Moderates

[eagle1462010]

Speaking for myself, not Contumacious, I would not say that. Al Qaeda are terrorists, I supported blowing the crap out of them. I do not support trying to nation build there or in Iraq, but I believe in paying them back many times over for any attack on us.

However, while I do not blame us. Say you're staying in a hotel on a business trip. Everyone tells you not to walk back to the hotel, you would walk through a dangerous neighborhood. You are determined, you go. You get robbed.

Was it your "fault?" No, it was the fault of the guy who robbed you. It was a crime, they are the criminal, you are the victim. But seriously, you should have taken a cab...

To the first point. I argued with my brother over the same issue. I told him they are not like us and that if we go in there instead of bombing them into submission that we would get stuck there. What I said came true.

We are fighting an Ideology, and they will simply not accept our ideologies or even Democracy as we believe in it. Religion rules there, and it was Naive to think we could change them.

After 9/11 I would have blown a lot of that region to hell and left before the dust settled.

The 2nd point is apples to oranges to me. As this area has oil that the world needs, and you must get into the territory due to economic interests around the globe. I don't see how we could take a cab to avoid conflict in the region as the world basically is protecting resources they need to buy to say afloat.

We need to focus on domestic energy evaporation. I don't care what the "world" needs, I only care what we do, and the only reason we need it is that the left have been allowed to throttle us. Fracking is changing that.

Fracking is creating a lot of jobs. It creates energy and jobs, something this country needs. The liberal attack on industry will have the same effects that have taken place in Europe. Energy creates a lot of jobs, and increases the Standard of living of those employed.

 

[kaz]

I view losertarians as scum liberals that don't like the GOV because of paranoia.

When it gets down to it, most losertarians hate Christians and Jews or all forms of religion, thus form their opinions about the world through that spectrum.

They claim the US military is a weapon for "Christians and Jews." They oppose any laws based on morality like abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etc. They are just liberals that don't want "the man" in their lives.

You're the delusional paranoid

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Libertarians, like Scientologists, talk a lot but never actually say anything.

Libertologists need to present some real ideas in order to be taken seriously.

They have, you just refuse to examine them.

 

[kaz]

A flat tax rate hurts poor people a lot more than it does rich people. That's why rich people dupe poor people into wanting a flat tax.

Record corporate profits = richer job creators = more jobs. Why is unemployment still high?

But liberals keep telling us that rich people don't pay taxes. Wouldn't a flat tax force us to?

Are you saying you were lying about that?

 

[Pheonixops]

Liberals founded the place with Liberty in mind but do you remember the We The People part, Libertarians replace that with Me The Myself, which is why they can't win.

They are people who think you are an obsessive control freak, if your children have bedtimes and curfews.

Exactly.

And the "liberals" define "Liberty" nowadays as the right of the political majority to be fed, insured, have their thirst quenched and their neighbors disarmed.

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Liberals and Libertarians have the same roots. Who is going around calling themselves "Liberals" these days? I certainly don't think it's the people you and others are calling Liberals. I'm a Liberal and I have more agreements with Libertarians than any other party.

ETA: I find myself agreeing with republicans on some issues and democrats on some issues. I also find myself disagreeing with both of the aforementioned parties on a myriad of issues.

 

[1776]

Cuntumacious.....big GOV means a big IRS in everyone's life, high taxes, large regulatory agencies messing with people/companies, large GOV departments like Education wasting people's money, etc.

One doesn't need a large GOV to maintain a strong military, asswipe. The DoD is outlined in the US Constitution, the Dept of Education, etc aren't thus should be downsized to a point where the DoD gets the majority of funding from tax revenues.

Tax revenues are what drives the GOV, asswipe. High taxes is different than high tax revenues. If I stimulate the economy with a 5% tax rate and bring in more REVENUE than a 10% tax rate, that is what conservatives like me with an Economics degree and MBA push for compared to knuckle-dragging scum like you.

You see asswipe, grow the economy and jobs with a low tax RATE and generate enough tax REVENUE to support a strong national defense while downsizing the rest of GOV in DC that is not supported in the US CONSTITUTION....ever heard of that document?

Shitbag....I oppose big GOV and high taxes.

I support a strong national defense and foreign policy to prevent fuck-ups like WW1 and 2 where a weak military and foreign policy allows evil to fester and grow into a bigger mess.

OK Dingle Berry , how are you going to pay for strong national defense and foreign policy?

WW1 and WWII were caused by Woodrow Wilson and FDR INTERVENTIONISM. So the only way to prevent those fuck ups is by staying home and avoiding foreign entanglements.

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[1776]

You're the dumbfuck that thinks the NSA is spying in your bedroom.

I view losertarians as scum liberals that don't like the GOV because of paranoia.

When it gets down to it, most losertarians hate Christians and Jews or all forms of religion, thus form their opinions about the world through that spectrum.

They claim the US military is a weapon for "Christians and Jews." They oppose any laws based on morality like abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etc. They are just liberals that don't want "the man" in their lives.

You're the delusional paranoid

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Was Afghanistan an offensive war?

Without question, they didn't attack us, bin Laden did. And he got what he wanted out of it, the US in a worldwide war with Islam.

It wasn't Japan that attacked us, it was the planes that dropped the bombs!

No, Japan attacked us, and just missed the timing on declaring war on us.

 

[eagle1462010]

Without question, they didn't attack us, bin Laden did. And he got what he wanted out of it, the US in a worldwide war with Islam.

It wasn't Japan that attacked us, it was the planes that dropped the bombs!

No, Japan attacked us, and just missed the timing on declaring war on us.

Hmmmm........the troll Paints BS again............

Who was allowing safe haven to OBL again.....................

Who was told to give him up....................

Just curious, as you paint history with Lies.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Society of its self is a COLLECTIVE. You get shit done because others help you either by working for you,cashing your check,picking up your trash,cutting your grass,working on your car whatever it may be. Society is a collective. Want to be an individualist go to Alaska and do everything your damn self. Society can't survive when everyone works for themselves. We ALL must work together to make society a better place.

So you think Government = Society.

That's just scary.

I think you, your family, your friends, your community, your church, charities, they are all also part of "society." They are all part of the equation.

You're like, nope, government, that's society. They need to take care of us.

We the People are a collective,we elect people among us or appoint those among us with leadership qualities to lead us. So we the people are the government. I agree with libertarians on some stuff,gun laws,most drug laws,staying out of other countries business etc. Just don't agree on just doing what each individual wants and that's it. I think everyone has a responsibility and a want to help each other out. I don't think because someone is poorer or not as well off or not as politically connected they should be left out to die. I don't think deregulation is good for people at all! Its great for corporations but horrible for the people I think free trade destroys our economy and puts people out of jobs so corporations can ship their companies overseas so they can pay less wages and have less safety regulations than they do here.

So, you believe in things that aren't true, and you call me crazy because I point out the facts that contradict your belief system.

DAVIES AND MCCARL: How big business benefits from regulation - Washington Times

 

[Contumacious]

I suppose you will now tell us it's our fault and that our butting into the world caused all of it............

Is it a fact that the UK allowed a massive invasion of zionists into Palestine in the mid 1920's without any authority form the allies?

Isn't it a fact that shortly therafter Menachem Begin and the Stern gang began terrorizing Palestinian Farmers?

Isn't is a fact that Harry Truman accepted a 2 million dollar political donation from David Ben Gurion and shortly thereafter was the ONLY nation to recognize the Jewish Enclave s a nation?

Isn't it a fact that the US has given Israel over 100 BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBillion dollars since 1949?

Isn't it a fact that the US has subsidized DEADLY Israeli imilitary incursions into Southern Lebanon?

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60% of Israel was desert when it was created.

So?

Nearly a million jews were driven from their homes in other areas of the middle east when Israel became a nation.

Whatt? Link.

The Grand Mufti joined Hitler and helped slaughter jews in the Balkans..........

Incorrect.

The FORMER Mufti joined Hitler in order to get help removing the Britsih and the Zionists from Palestine.

What would you have done to remove foreigners from your homeland?

Haj Amin al-Husseini

"His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge in, successively, the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Italy and Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping Germans recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS. On meeting Adolf Hitler he requested backing for Arab independence and support in opposing the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home. At war's end, he came under French protection, and then sought refuge in Cairo to avoid prosecution."

 

[eagle1462010]

Is it a fact that the UK allowed a massive invasion of zionists into Palestine in the mid 1920's without any authority form the allies?

Isn't it a fact that shortly therafter Menachem Begin and the Stern gang began terrorizing Palestinian Farmers?

Isn't is a fact that Harry Truman accepted a 2 million dollar political donation from David Ben Gurion and shortly thereafter was the ONLY nation to recognize the Jewish Enclave s a nation?

Isn't it a fact that the US has given Israel over 100 BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBillion dollars since 1949?

Isn't it a fact that the US has subsidized DEADLY Israeli imilitary incursions into Southern Lebanon?

.

60% of Israel was desert when it was created.

So?

Nearly a million jews were driven from their homes in other areas of the middle east when Israel became a nation.

Whatt? Link.

The Grand Mufti joined Hitler and helped slaughter jews in the Balkans..........

Incorrect.

The FORMER Mufti joined Hitler in order to get help removing the Britsih and the Zionists from Palestine.

What would you have done to remove foreigners from your homeland?

Haj Amin al-Husseini

"His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge in, successively, the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Italy and Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping Germans recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS. On meeting Adolf Hitler he requested backing for Arab independence and support in opposing the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home. At war's end, he came under French protection, and then sought refuge in Cairo to avoid prosecution."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09pmTh64vD8]What Really Happened In The Middle East - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So you think Government = Society.

That's just scary.

I think you, your family, your friends, your community, your church, charities, they are all also part of "society." They are all part of the equation.

You're like, nope, government, that's society. They need to take care of us.

We the People are a collective,we elect people among us or appoint those among us with leadership qualities to lead us. So we the people are the government. I agree with libertarians on some stuff,gun laws,most drug laws,staying out of other countries business etc. Just don't agree on just doing what each individual wants and that's it. I think everyone has a responsibility and a want to help each other out. I don't think because someone is poorer or not as well off or not as politically connected they should be left out to die. I don't think deregulation is good for people at all! Its great for corporations but horrible for the people I think free trade destroys our economy and puts people out of jobs so corporations can ship their companies overseas so they can pay less wages and have less safety regulations than they do here.

So, you believe in things that aren't true, and you call me crazy because I point out the facts that contradict your belief system.

DAVIES AND MCCARL: How big business benefits from regulation - Washington Times

Did you think all that money in politics was there just because large corporations were just such nice guys? Regulation can keep competition out of business...

 

[eagle1462010]

Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries or Jewish exodus from Arab countries (Hebrew: יציאת יהודים ממדינות ערב*, Yetziat yehudim mi-medinot Arav; Arabic: هجرة اليهود من الدول العربية والإسلامية* hijrat al-yahūd min ad-duwal al-ʻArabīyah wal-Islāmīyah) was the departure, flight,[1] migration and expulsion of 800,000–1,000,000 Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, mainly from 1948 until the early 1970s.
In 1948, approximately 800,000 Jews were living in lands which now make up the Arab world (excluding Israel). Of these, just under two-thirds lived in the French-controlled Maghreb region, 15-20% in the Kingdom of Iraq, approximately 10% in the Kingdom of Egypt and approximately 7% in the Kingdom of Yemen. A further 200,000 lived in Pahlavi Iran and the Republic of Turkey. Today, around 6,500 Jews live in Arab countries[2] and around 30,000 in Iran and Turkey.[citation needed]

 

[eagle1462010]

BTW Contumacious this is an argument for anther thread.................

Start a new one if you want to continue your anti-jew sentiments.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'll bet you right now you can't produce one post of PMH's that shows he believes government is the one and only solution. Which means you're either lying or you're ignorant. Or both.

I use what works but he's clueless, like nearly all here.

Here you go.

That's because the Libertarian message boils down to "You're on your own and I don't give a fuck"

Libertarians by not supporting government as the first solution don't think anyone will ever do anything. Exactly as I said you said.

I don't see NYCarbineers posts because I have him on ignore. He is the only poster on any message board I post on who is on ignore, and he will be until he stops putting words in my mouth and saying, "oh, you're saying" and then making up a bunch of ridiculous shit that no would could possibly think that what I said meant that. Obviously I don't put people on ignore for being liberal moon bats.

He puts me on ignore on accusation I try to put words in his mouth, but then, today,

he claims PaintMyHouse thinks government is the only solution, and now he wants to deny he said that.

lol, classic.

 

[kaz]

Cuntumacious.....big GOV means a big IRS in everyone's life, high taxes, large regulatory agencies messing with people/companies, large GOV departments like Education wasting people's money, etc.

One doesn't need a large GOV to maintain a strong military, asswipe. The DoD is outlined in the US Constitution, the Dept of Education, etc aren't thus should be downsized to a point where the DoD gets the majority of funding from tax revenues.

Tax revenues are what drives the GOV, asswipe. High taxes is different than high tax revenues. If I stimulate the economy with a 5% tax rate and bring in more REVENUE than a 10% tax rate, that is what conservatives like me with an Economics degree and MBA push for compared to knuckle-dragging scum like you.

You see asswipe, grow the economy and jobs with a low tax RATE and generate enough tax REVENUE to support a strong national defense while downsizing the rest of GOV in DC that is not supported in the US CONSTITUTION....ever heard of that document?

You know what's scary, dude? Everything you said here is ... libertarian ...

 

[kaz]

You're the dumbfuck that thinks the NSA is spying in your bedroom.

I view losertarians as scum liberals that don't like the GOV because of paranoia.

When it gets down to it, most losertarians hate Christians and Jews or all forms of religion, thus form their opinions about the world through that spectrum.

They claim the US military is a weapon for "Christians and Jews." They oppose any laws based on morality like abortion, gay marriage, drugs, etc. They are just liberals that don't want "the man" in their lives.

You're the delusional paranoid

Any chance you could debate the things that I say instead of the voices in your head? Or you could show me that quote.

 

[kaz]

Without question, they didn't attack us, bin Laden did. And he got what he wanted out of it, the US in a worldwide war with Islam.

It wasn't Japan that attacked us, it was the planes that dropped the bombs!

No, Japan attacked us, and just missed the timing on declaring war on us.

And 59 years later so did Afghanistan. You might have heard about it, it was all over the news. People generally refer to it as "9/11."

 

[PaintMyHouse]

It wasn't Japan that attacked us, it was the planes that dropped the bombs!

No, Japan attacked us, and just missed the timing on declaring war on us.

And 59 years later so did Afghanistan. You might have heard about it, it was all over the news. People generally refer to it as "9/11."

That was the work of a terrorist, not a government. That was also all over the news.