Liberals Celebrating Bastille Day??

[NYcarbineer]

"t's always worthwhile to pore through PC's posts more than once"

Had you stopped at that point, there might have been some hope for you.



But, no....you went on to prove that, intellectually, you remain locked in a life and death struggle with Vorticella.



Apologies to Vorticella.

You must listen to alot of Hannity because for years his tactic on the radio whenever he was up against someone much smarter than he, he'd resort to the smartass remark.

Why don't name the American liberals for us who model the French Revolution moreso than the American Revolution.

That would back up your heretofore baseless claim.

I love your sig line. Funny how one of the richest men in the world decries the accumulation of wealth while writing regulations that bring him ever more wealth and you libtards gleefully accept his laws. If you had brains you'd be dangerous.

I would suggest you study the life of John D. Rockefeller Jr., with keen attention to not confusing him with John D. Rockefeller Sr.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I think PC is running out of arguments to lose.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think PC is running out of arguments to lose.

Are you actually stupid enough to think folks can't simply read each of our posts???

Even grade-schoolers know how inept the "you lose, you fail" comments are.


Sometimes I almost feel sorry for you.




Almost.

 

[westwall]

You must listen to alot of Hannity because for years his tactic on the radio whenever he was up against someone much smarter than he, he'd resort to the smartass remark.

Why don't name the American liberals for us who model the French Revolution moreso than the American Revolution.

That would back up your heretofore baseless claim.

I love your sig line. Funny how one of the richest men in the world decries the accumulation of wealth while writing regulations that bring him ever more wealth and you libtards gleefully accept his laws. If you had brains you'd be dangerous.

I would suggest you study the life of John D. Rockefeller Jr., with keen attention to not confusing him with John D. Rockefeller Sr.

Oh, I have. he was a great philanthropist for sure, but I am reminded of the great philanthropy that the drug lords do to ensure the people they hide in/with?, will like them.
He was after all on the board of directors of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company when dozens were killed during a strike.

He spent years and years and years trying to buy back public opinion which had turned against them because of the slaughter. Funny how you didn't seem to know that...

 

[NYcarbineer]

I love your sig line. Funny how one of the richest men in the world decries the accumulation of wealth while writing regulations that bring him ever more wealth and you libtards gleefully accept his laws. If you had brains you'd be dangerous.

I would suggest you study the life of John D. Rockefeller Jr., with keen attention to not confusing him with John D. Rockefeller Sr.

Oh, I have. he was a great philanthropist for sure, but I am reminded of the great philanthropy that the drug lords do to ensure the people they hide in/with?, will like them.
He was after all on the board of directors of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company when dozens were killed during a strike.

He spent years and years and years trying to buy back public opinion which had turned against them because of the slaughter. Funny how you didn't seem to know that...

I know all about it including your comical misrepresentation of the facts, you clown.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I think PC is running out of arguments to lose.

Are you actually stupid enough to think folks can't simply read each of our posts???

Even grade-schoolers know how inept the "you lose, you fail" comments are.


Sometimes I almost feel sorry for you.




Almost.

I asked you to identify the liberals you were referring to,

and you have provided exactly ZERO.

That means your broadbrush attack on liberalism in this thread is baseless, unsupported by facts,

and therefore totally without merit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.

At least they formed a Republic that could abolish slavery without a civil war.

What kind of moron would miss the deaths of 600,000?
Only a Liberal.

No doubt the 7 million Ukrainian deaths also engendered a shrug from you.


Did Mao's 75 million get your attention?

You're blaming the French Revolution for deaths in China 150 years later?

Couldn't you as easily blame the French monarchy pre-revolution for inciting the French people to rebel?

Couldn't you as easily blame it on Adam and Eve for reproducing?

 

[westwall]

I would suggest you study the life of John D. Rockefeller Jr., with keen attention to not confusing him with John D. Rockefeller Sr.

Oh, I have. he was a great philanthropist for sure, but I am reminded of the great philanthropy that the drug lords do to ensure the people they hide in/with?, will like them.
He was after all on the board of directors of the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company when dozens were killed during a strike.

He spent years and years and years trying to buy back public opinion which had turned against them because of the slaughter. Funny how you didn't seem to know that...

I know all about it including your comical misrepresentation of the facts, you clown.

Oh, I think you've got the clown aspect covered!

 

[PoliticalChic]

At least they formed a Republic that could abolish slavery without a civil war.

What kind of moron would miss the deaths of 600,000?
Only a Liberal.

No doubt the 7 million Ukrainian deaths also engendered a shrug from you.


Did Mao's 75 million get your attention?

You're blaming the French Revolution for deaths in China 150 years later?

Couldn't you as easily blame the French monarchy pre-revolution for inciting the French people to rebel?

Couldn't you as easily blame it on Adam and Eve for reproducing?

Legend has it that, while preparing Richard Nixon for his historic visit to China in 1972, Henry Kissinger mentioned that Chinese Prime Minister Chou En-Lai was an avid student of French history. During his trip, Nixon met with Chou En-Lai in the walled garden of the Forbidden City. As they walked slowly around the lily ponds, Nixon remembered Kissinger's comment.

To break the ice, he asked Chou what he thought had been the impact of the French revolution on western civilization. Chou En-Lai considered the question for a few moments. Finally, he turned to Nixon and replied,

"The impact of the French revolution on western civilization -- too early to tell."

 

[regent]

What kind of moron would miss the deaths of 600,000?
Only a Liberal.

No doubt the 7 million Ukrainian deaths also engendered a shrug from you.


Did Mao's 75 million get your attention?

You're blaming the French Revolution for deaths in China 150 years later?

Couldn't you as easily blame the French monarchy pre-revolution for inciting the French people to rebel?

Couldn't you as easily blame it on Adam and Eve for reproducing?

Legend has it that, while preparing Richard Nixon for his historic visit to China in 1972, Henry Kissinger mentioned that Chinese Prime Minister Chou En-Lai was an avid student of French history. During his trip, Nixon met with Chou En-Lai in the walled garden of the Forbidden City. As they walked slowly around the lily ponds, Nixon remembered Kissinger's comment.

To break the ice, he asked Chou what he thought had been the impact of the French revolution on western civilization. Chou En-Lai considered the question for a few moments. Finally, he turned to Nixon and replied,

"The impact of the French revolution on western civilization -- too early to tell."

In any case, it seems the world just keeps getting more liberal.

 

[Sallow]

The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

Actually, everyone seems to gloss over the genocide of the Native Americans.

Which is in large part, due to the American Revolution.

There was no "genocide of the Native Americans."

The concept is merely another attempt by the Left to persuade the simple-minded, you, of how evil this great nation is.



Pay attention:

1. The decimation of Indian populations stemmed only rarely from massacres or military actions, but the majority of Indian deaths came from infectious disease. There is the romanticized view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims.

Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”


2. Guenter Lewy (born 1923, Germany) is an author and historian, and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled "Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?" in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".





3. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20th Century, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census.

Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.

Collectively these data suggest that population numbered about 1,894,350 at about A.D. 1500. Epidemics and other factors reduced this number to only 530,000 by 1900. Modern data suggest that by 1985 population size has increased to over 2.5 million.
North American Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985 - Ubelaker - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library


The reported population of Native Americans by the most recent Census has soared more than 1000% since 1900, over 3 times that of the US as a whole. A reasonable explanation is that intermarriage and assimilation reveal that a portion of the reported disappearance of native Americans may be that many still exist but in a different description.





4. Whatever the original number, historians agree that infectious disease brought about 75-95% decline after European settlement began.

Jared Mason Diamond is an American geographer, evolutionary biologist, physiologist, lecturer, and nonfiction author. Diamond works as a professor of geography and physiology at UCLA. He is best known for the Pulitzer Prize-winning book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" (1998), which also won the Phi Beta Kappa Award in Science, in which he states “diseases introduced with Europeans spread from tribe to tribe far in advance of the Europeans themselves…[including] smallpox, measles, influenza, and typhus…”



I hope this reveals what an America-hating dunce you are.

You're something else..

 

[Sallow]

The French Revolution did not bring in a Democratic Republic, it brought in a Constitutional Monarchy.

You're a little slow.

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

After it became a dictatorship, then an empire, then a monarchy again, then another revolution, followed by another semi dictatorship, then another Republic. All before World War One. France was the banana republic of Europe for 100 years.

To you folks the rest of the world is a banana republic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Actually, everyone seems to gloss over the genocide of the Native Americans.

Which is in large part, due to the American Revolution.

There was no "genocide of the Native Americans."

The concept is merely another attempt by the Left to persuade the simple-minded, you, of how evil this great nation is.



Pay attention:

1. The decimation of Indian populations stemmed only rarely from massacres or military actions, but the majority of Indian deaths came from infectious disease. There is the romanticized view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims.

Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”


2. Guenter Lewy (born 1923, Germany) is an author and historian, and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled "Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?" in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".





3. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20th Century, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census.

Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.

Collectively these data suggest that population numbered about 1,894,350 at about A.D. 1500. Epidemics and other factors reduced this number to only 530,000 by 1900. Modern data suggest that by 1985 population size has increased to over 2.5 million.
North American Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985 - Ubelaker - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library


The reported population of Native Americans by the most recent Census has soared more than 1000% since 1900, over 3 times that of the US as a whole. A reasonable explanation is that intermarriage and assimilation reveal that a portion of the reported disappearance of native Americans may be that many still exist but in a different description.





4. Whatever the original number, historians agree that infectious disease brought about 75-95% decline after European settlement began.

Jared Mason Diamond is an American geographer, evolutionary biologist, physiologist, lecturer, and nonfiction author. Diamond works as a professor of geography and physiology at UCLA. He is best known for the Pulitzer Prize-winning book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" (1998), which also won the Phi Beta Kappa Award in Science, in which he states “diseases introduced with Europeans spread from tribe to tribe far in advance of the Europeans themselves…[including] smallpox, measles, influenza, and typhus…”



I hope this reveals what an America-hating dunce you are.

You're something else..

I appreciate your honesty:

You, an America-hating dunce...

I.....something completely different.



That's what you meant, isn't it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're blaming the French Revolution for deaths in China 150 years later?

Couldn't you as easily blame the French monarchy pre-revolution for inciting the French people to rebel?

Couldn't you as easily blame it on Adam and Eve for reproducing?

Legend has it that, while preparing Richard Nixon for his historic visit to China in 1972, Henry Kissinger mentioned that Chinese Prime Minister Chou En-Lai was an avid student of French history. During his trip, Nixon met with Chou En-Lai in the walled garden of the Forbidden City. As they walked slowly around the lily ponds, Nixon remembered Kissinger's comment.

To break the ice, he asked Chou what he thought had been the impact of the French revolution on western civilization. Chou En-Lai considered the question for a few moments. Finally, he turned to Nixon and replied,

"The impact of the French revolution on western civilization -- too early to tell."

In any case, it seems the world just keeps getting more liberal.

For the time being.....

But: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."
Lady Thatcher

 

[Sallow]

There was no "genocide of the Native Americans."

The concept is merely another attempt by the Left to persuade the simple-minded, you, of how evil this great nation is.



Pay attention:

1. The decimation of Indian populations stemmed only rarely from massacres or military actions, but the majority of Indian deaths came from infectious disease. There is the romanticized view that paints the settlers as barbaric, and the Indians as peaceful victims.

Genocide means deliberate and systematic. As described by the UN Convention, Article II, it involves “ a series of brutal acts committed with intent to destroy, …a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group as such.”


2. Guenter Lewy (born 1923, Germany) is an author and historian, and a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts. In September 2004, Lewy published an essay entitled "Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide ?" in which he says [Ward] Churchill's assertion that the U.S. Army intentionally spread smallpox among American Indians by distributing infected blankets in 1837 is false. Lewy calls Churchill's claim of 100,000 deaths from the incident "obviously absurd".





3. During the 4 centuries following European entry into North America, Indian population fell. By the beginning of the 20th Century, officials found only 250,000 Indians in the territory of the US, as opposed to 2,476,000 identified as “American Indians or Alaska Natives” in the 2000 census.

Scholars estimate pre-Columbian North American population range from 1.2 million (1928 tribe-by-tribe assessment) up to 20 million by activists.

Collectively these data suggest that population numbered about 1,894,350 at about A.D. 1500. Epidemics and other factors reduced this number to only 530,000 by 1900. Modern data suggest that by 1985 population size has increased to over 2.5 million.
North American Indian population size, A.D. 1500 to 1985 - Ubelaker - 2005 - American Journal of Physical Anthropology - Wiley Online Library


The reported population of Native Americans by the most recent Census has soared more than 1000% since 1900, over 3 times that of the US as a whole. A reasonable explanation is that intermarriage and assimilation reveal that a portion of the reported disappearance of native Americans may be that many still exist but in a different description.





4. Whatever the original number, historians agree that infectious disease brought about 75-95% decline after European settlement began.

Jared Mason Diamond is an American geographer, evolutionary biologist, physiologist, lecturer, and nonfiction author. Diamond works as a professor of geography and physiology at UCLA. He is best known for the Pulitzer Prize-winning book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" (1998), which also won the Phi Beta Kappa Award in Science, in which he states “diseases introduced with Europeans spread from tribe to tribe far in advance of the Europeans themselves…[including] smallpox, measles, influenza, and typhus…”



I hope this reveals what an America-hating dunce you are.

You're something else..

I appreciate your honesty:

You, an America-hating dunce...

I.....something completely different.



That's what you meant, isn't it?

Well no.

I love my Country..warts and all.

You?

Have a made up fairy land that you seem to like.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You're something else..

I appreciate your honesty:

You, an America-hating dunce...

I.....something completely different.



That's what you meant, isn't it?

Well no.

I love my Country..warts and all.

You?

Have a made up fairy land that you seem to like.

Do we agree that the 'genocide' wart is untrue and a slander?

You don't have to answer.....

 

[oldfart]

First I went back through the thread. You deserve credit for the OP of a lively discussion; too bad you have not been participating in it much. Since post #18, I have counted one irrelevant story about Chou En Lai, a side track into the subject of Native American history, and 10 posts that were completely unresponsive to anything else posted. The purpose of the ten seems to be to reveal that you don't post content, but prefer personal attacks and invective. Of course this did not keep you from chastising others for breaches of civility.

So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.

At least they formed a Republic that could abolish slavery without a civil war.

What kind of moron would miss the deaths of 600,000?
Only a Liberal.

No doubt the 7 million Ukrainian deaths also engendered a shrug from you.


Did Mao's 75 million get your attention?

This is completely off topic to the subject you introduced in the OP and is an obvious red herring. If that reference confuses you' look it up. The deaths of bazillions seems to escape "conservative" pea-brains (if you have any idea of what I am referring to, it is a miracle). The previous statement is as devoid of content as your post; consisting only of a an ad hominem and an off-topic reference.

The disgusting part is your total inability to abide by the rules you make up for others to follow. I must either conclude you have no idea what civility is in public discourse, in which case you are ignorant; or that you know and do not care, which makes you a troll and a bully. My vote, in the face of logical inconsistency; is both!

 

[PoliticalChic]

First I went back through the thread. You deserve credit for the OP of a lively discussion; too bad you have not been participating in it much. Since post #18, I have counted one irrelevant story about Chou En Lai, a side track into the subject of Native American history, and 10 posts that were completely unresponsive to anything else posted. The purpose of the ten seems to be to reveal that you don't post content, but prefer personal attacks and invective. Of course this did not keep you from chastising others for breaches of civility.

At least they formed a Republic that could abolish slavery without a civil war.

What kind of moron would miss the deaths of 600,000?
Only a Liberal.

No doubt the 7 million Ukrainian deaths also engendered a shrug from you.


Did Mao's 75 million get your attention?

This is completely off topic to the subject you introduced in the OP and is an obvious red herring. If that reference confuses you' look it up. The deaths of bazillions seems to escape "conservative" pea-brains (if you have any idea of what I am referring to, it is a miracle). The previous statement is as devoid of content as your post; consisting only of a an ad hominem and an off-topic reference.

The disgusting part is your total inability to abide by the rules you make up for others to follow. I must either conclude you have no idea what civility is in public discourse, in which case you are ignorant; or that you know and do not care, which makes you a troll and a bully. My vote, in the face of logical inconsistency; is both!

1. "First I went back through the thread."
How nice.
One normally has to search for some Umba-Lumpa to perform said menial tasks.

2. "...too bad you have not been participating in it much. Since post #18, I have counted..."
Why....one might consider that to be 'prefer personal attacks and invective.'

If you don't mind my saying so, you seem somewhat....impotent...in this endeavor.



3. " ...seems to be to reveal that you don't post content...."
No, rather it seems that you are either oblivious, or the fabrication is the closest you can come to confrontation.

You seem....wimpy.


4. "This is completely off topic to the subject.....
Au contraire......

It follows directly from post 9, item #3.



5. "The disgusting part is your total inability to abide by the rules you make up for others to follow."
This is a figment of your imagination. There are no rules you must follow.

But, in your case, the motto of one of my professors seems to apply:

The master is allowed, the donkey is not.


6. " I must either conclude you have no idea what civility is in public discourse, in which case you are ignorant; or that you know and do not care, which makes you a troll and a bully. My vote, in the face of logical inconsistency; is both!"

I wear it with pride.




Now, how's this prediction: you will find it impossible not to participate in at least some of the threads that I present.

 

[westwall]

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

After it became a dictatorship, then an empire, then a monarchy again, then another revolution, followed by another semi dictatorship, then another Republic. All before World War One. France was the banana republic of Europe for 100 years.

To you folks the rest of the world is a banana republic.

Hey,

My wife is French and we own a very nice flat on the Isle St. Louis that has been in her family for over 300 years, we call 'em like we see 'em!

 

[NYcarbineer]

At least they formed a Republic that could abolish slavery without a civil war.

What kind of moron would miss the deaths of 600,000?
Only a Liberal.

No doubt the 7 million Ukrainian deaths also engendered a shrug from you.


Did Mao's 75 million get your attention?

You're blaming the French Revolution for deaths in China 150 years later?

Couldn't you as easily blame the French monarchy pre-revolution for inciting the French people to rebel?

Couldn't you as easily blame it on Adam and Eve for reproducing?

Actually you can blame it on Adam and Eve. God's bestowing onto Adam sovereignty over all things was the root argument for the divine right of kings. From Adam the power was passed on by inheritance down through the generations.

Robert Filmer, a 17th century British 'thinker', was one of the most prominent defenders of the divine right of kings and made the above argument for it.

Locke's claims about man's god given equality and rights, which found their way into the Declaration of Independence, were originally a direct refutation of Filmer's claims.