Liberals Believe in Trickle Down Economics

[HelenaHandbag]

Inheritance seems to be the preferred method of becoming a venture capitalist outsourcing bastard.

IOW, you have no idea.

Enlighten me as to the tireless efforts of the investor class to keep jobs in this country? They are greedy elitist scum no matter where they got their cash. They do not deserve your worship.

My understanding of how wealth accumulation works does not mean I worship it.

However, your blind, ignorant hatred of those who have more than you, for no better reason than that they have more than you, is duly noted.

 

[Mac1958]

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This is all part of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" mentality. Most are people with absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for the risks, failures, headaches, costs and sacrifices of starting and growing and operating a business.

Moreover, they don't WANT to know about it or admit to it, because at some point they'd have to look in the mirror at the fear and unwillingness inside of them to do what it takes. It's easier to just label the business owner be the bad guy and do the entitlement thing.

The purpose of a business/corporation is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on the table of people who don't have the balls to start their own business or the willingness to make themselves more valuable on the job market.

And they chafe when people don't believe they're pro-business.

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[Boss]

Capitalists do not create wealth.......the workers do

No, they BOTH do. The capitalist provides the mechanism, the worker provides the resource of labor. Wealth cannot be produced without both. Therefore, we can say that workers are also capitalists if they are working in a free capitalist society.

It's important to note, the delineation between 'capitalists' and 'workers' is a throwback from 19th century Europe. Where the ruler or king controlled the means of capitalism, and the subjects or peasants were the workers. In that system, there was no trickle down. The wealthy simply became wealthier and the "worker" remained a peasant.

This gave rise to the popular notion of Marxist Socialism. But in the US, under a free market capitalist system, and with free enterprise and constitutional liberty, people are free to engage in capitalism either as the "capitalist" or as the "worker" and produce wealth. If a "worker" in this system is unhappy with their status, they can attempt to be "capitalists" themselves, they have that freedom in this country, under free market capitalism.

The left has become enamored with Marxist Socialism, so in order to make the arguments for it, they have to form the perception that "workers" are powerless pawns, unable to do a thing about the "greedy capitalists" who control all the wealth. The truth is, the "worker" in a free market capitalist system has just as much freedom to be a "greedy capitalist" as anyone else. If they believe they can do it better, make more money, increase their wealth status, they are free to go out there and give it a go, and many of them do.

Unlike Marxist Socialism, free market capitalism is responsible for producing more millionaires and billionaires than any other system devised by mankind. On the other hand, Marxism in any form it has been tried, always results in dismal failure. The ideological expectations are never met, there is no wealth generation for the "workers" in society, they remain peasants and their conditions worsen over time. The infamous 1% do not go away, they are replaced by government authority who then controls not only the wealth and power, but also the keys to freedom.

 

[occupied]

I'm going to order some things from that lousy stinking SOB Capitalist exploiter of human souls no good rotting scum of the earth capitalist pig Pizza dude.

Hey I'm hungry.

The pizza dude is hardly a greedy billionaire hedge fund manager, they are on the same end of the shitty stick as the lowest paid grunt laborer you can think of.

 

[Rozman]

But you guys don't believe he created that business...
Government did!

 

[Boss]

Enlighten me as to the tireless efforts of the investor class to keep jobs in this country? They are greedy elitist scum no matter where they got their cash. They do not deserve your worship.

Let's be perfectly clear, a free market capitalist is not interested or concerned with creating jobs or keeping them in this country. Neither are "workers" in a free market capitalist system. When you go to your job, are you thinking of how you can create a new job for someone else? Are you studying ways to keep jobs in the US? Nope... you are thinking about getting your work done and collecting your payday. The capitalist is thinking about profit. In many cases, his thinking about profits means he is actually looking at ways to cut jobs or outsource them, if that is a better way to increase profits.

Jobs are also not created by presidents or government. Not a damn thing the president or congress can do to create a single job, aside from the residual government jobs created from people having to type up bills or legislation and make photocopies and such. Jobs are created through capitalistic expansion. Money is trickling down and lots of people are taking their wives out to celebrate with a steak dinner, so the restaurant owner decides to open a second location, hire a staff... create new jobs that didn't previously exist. Investors realize a windfall from all the capitalists paying off their debts, so they have resources to invest in new ideas for more capitalism, creating more new jobs that didn't exist before.

 

[occupied]

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This is all part of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" mentality. Most are people with absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for the risks, failures, headaches, costs and sacrifices of starting and growing and operating a business.

Moreover, they don't WANT to know about it or admit to it, because at some point they'd have to look in the mirror at the fear and unwillingness inside of them to do what it takes. It's easier to just label the business owner be the bad guy and do the entitlement thing.

The purpose of a business/corporation is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on the table of people who don't have the balls to start their own business or the willingness to make themselves more valuable on the job market.

And they chafe when people don't believe they're pro-business.

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Acting as if labor is beneath your dignity as a way of keeping a roof over your head is the root of conservatives seeming as if they despise the working man. Some of you even see exploitative wage slavery as a fitting punishment for lacking the drive to be born into better circumstances. How the hell are we supposed to have a decent economy when the pressure on the working man is to continually settle for less every year with the reminder that you will never deserve what is begrudgingly paid for your time? Don't want to be seen as a hater of honest working people? Adjust this attitude of anything for the owners, nothing for the workers.

 

[occupied]

Enlighten me as to the tireless efforts of the investor class to keep jobs in this country? They are greedy elitist scum no matter where they got their cash. They do not deserve your worship.

Let's be perfectly clear, a free market capitalist is not interested or concerned with creating jobs or keeping them in this country. Neither are "workers" in a free market capitalist system. When you go to your job, are you thinking of how you can create a new job for someone else? Are you studying ways to keep jobs in the US? Nope... you are thinking about getting your work done and collecting your payday. The capitalist is thinking about profit. In many cases, his thinking about profits means he is actually looking at ways to cut jobs or outsource them, if that is a better way to increase profits.

Jobs are also not created by presidents or government. Not a damn thing the president or congress can do to create a single job, aside from the residual government jobs created from people having to type up bills or legislation and make photocopies and such. Jobs are created through capitalistic expansion. Money is trickling down and lots of people are taking their wives out to celebrate with a steak dinner, so the restaurant owner decides to open a second location, hire a staff... create new jobs that didn't previously exist. Investors realize a windfall from all the capitalists paying off their debts, so they have resources to invest in new ideas for more capitalism, creating more new jobs that didn't exist before.

Then that should simplify matters, if they are not concerned with the well being of the economy then we should immediately quit giving them gifts of tax cuts to try to make them at least a little concerned, **** em.

 

[Mac1958]

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This is all part of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" mentality. Most are people with absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for the risks, failures, headaches, costs and sacrifices of starting and growing and operating a business.

Moreover, they don't WANT to know about it or admit to it, because at some point they'd have to look in the mirror at the fear and unwillingness inside of them to do what it takes. It's easier to just label the business owner be the bad guy and do the entitlement thing.

The purpose of a business/corporation is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on the table of people who don't have the balls to start their own business or the willingness to make themselves more valuable on the job market.

And they chafe when people don't believe they're pro-business.

.

Acting as if labor is beneath your dignity as a way of keeping a roof over your head is the root of conservatives seeming as if they despise the working man. Some of you even see exploitative wage slavery as a fitting punishment for lacking the drive to be born into better circumstances. How the hell are we supposed to have a decent economy when the pressure on the working man is to continually settle for less every year with the reminder that you will never deserve what is begrudgingly paid for your time? Don't want to be seen as a hater of honest working people? Adjust this attitude of anything for the owners, nothing for the workers.

Wow, so many straw men, so little time.

Beneath my dignity? Nope. I've worked at all levels of business, from fast food grunt to business owner.

Wage slavery? Silly hyperbole. Slavery is a real term with real meaning and real history. No one is forcing you to do anything, are they?

To be born into better circumstances? That's the only way people make it? Really? Is that how you justify not being where you want to be?

And I'm not an honest working person? Proof?

Come on, I'm sure you can do better than thin platitudes.

And tell me how you're pro business.

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[JFK_USA]

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This is all part of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" mentality. Most are people with absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for the risks, failures, headaches, costs and sacrifices of starting and growing and operating a business.

Moreover, they don't WANT to know about it or admit to it, because at some point they'd have to look in the mirror at the fear and unwillingness inside of them to do what it takes. It's easier to just label the business owner be the bad guy and do the entitlement thing.

The purpose of a business/corporation is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on the table of people who don't have the balls to start their own business or the willingness to make themselves more valuable on the job market.

And they chafe when people don't believe they're pro-business.

Yes it is responsible for putting food on the table. If businesses don't hire or don't pay a wage that they can survive on, civil unrest occurs and then the people don't care about the needs of millionaires and billionaires, they care about their own survival. No one wins with civil unrest.

And most people don't have the capital to start their own business not that they don't have the "balls" to do it. And people do strive to make themselves more valuable on the job market which is why people go to college and trade schools to learn skills but then skyrocketing tuition still makes people economic slaves to their debt.

See most of the policies in this country are already in place to benefit the super rich while punishing those striving to attain the American dream. That's not the land of opportunity people dream about.

 

[Boss]

I'm going to order some things from that lousy stinking SOB Capitalist exploiter of human souls no good rotting scum of the earth capitalist pig Pizza dude.

Hey I'm hungry.

The pizza dude is hardly a greedy billionaire hedge fund manager, they are on the same end of the shitty stick as the lowest paid grunt laborer you can think of.

Well no, the pizza dude is just the same as the hedge fund manager, he is not interested in creating new jobs or keeping jobs in the US, he is interested in making a profit... taking his wife out for a nice steak dinner to celebrate, etc.

If you don't like capitalists making money on hedge funds, you should do things to allow them to make money through capitalist investment and expansion of capitalist venture. They had much rather generate their wealth that way, it's generally greater return on investment and they can create more wealth. The only reason they are turning to hedge funds is to protect their assets and continue generating profit. You've removed their ability to expand capitalist venture through taxation and regulatory burden. Other capitalists aren't repaying their loans or showing positive returns on their investments, so the hedge fund capitalist is resorting to whatever he has to do in order to maintain profit. The more you flagrantly attack capitalism, the more he will continue to find ways to generate wealth outside the free market capitalist system.

 

[jknowgood]

Liberals showing their ignorance on economics, also shows why we are still in a recession after 5 years of obama.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

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This is all part of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" mentality. Most are people with absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for the risks, failures, headaches, costs and sacrifices of starting and growing and operating a business.

Moreover, they don't WANT to know about it or admit to it, because at some point they'd have to look in the mirror at the fear and unwillingness inside of them to do what it takes. It's easier to just label the business owner be the bad guy and do the entitlement thing.

The purpose of a business/corporation is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on the table of people who don't have the balls to start their own business or the willingness to make themselves more valuable on the job market.

And they chafe when people don't believe they're pro-business.

.

Acting as if labor is beneath your dignity as a way of keeping a roof over your head is the root of conservatives seeming as if they despise the working man. Some of you even see exploitative wage slavery as a fitting punishment for lacking the drive to be born into better circumstances. How the hell are we supposed to have a decent economy when the pressure on the working man is to continually settle for less every year with the reminder that you will never deserve what is begrudgingly paid for your time? Don't want to be seen as a hater of honest working people? Adjust this attitude of anything for the owners, nothing for the workers.

Wow, so many straw men, so little time.

Beneath my dignity? Nope. I've worked at all levels of business, from fast food grunt to business owner.

Wage slavery? Silly hyperbole. Slavery is a real term with real meaning and real history. No one is forcing you to do anything, are they?

To be born into better circumstances? That's the only way people make it? Really? Is that how you justify not being where you want to be?

And I'm not an honest working person? Proof?

Come on, I'm sure you can do better than thin platitudes.

And tell me how you're pro business.

.

I am not so certain that he or any of the other haters can.

 

[Mac1958]

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This is all part of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" mentality. Most are people with absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for the risks, failures, headaches, costs and sacrifices of starting and growing and operating a business.

Moreover, they don't WANT to know about it or admit to it, because at some point they'd have to look in the mirror at the fear and unwillingness inside of them to do what it takes. It's easier to just label the business owner be the bad guy and do the entitlement thing.

The purpose of a business/corporation is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on the table of people who don't have the balls to start their own business or the willingness to make themselves more valuable on the job market.

And they chafe when people don't believe they're pro-business.

Yes it is responsible for putting food on the table. If businesses don't hire or don't pay a wage that they can survive on, civil unrest occurs and then the people don't care about the needs of millionaires and billionaires, they care about their own survival. No one wins with civil unrest.

And most people don't have the capital to start their own business not that they don't have the "balls" to do it. And people do strive to make themselves more valuable on the job market which is why people go to college and trade schools to learn skills but then skyrocketing tuition still makes people economic slaves to their debt.

See most of the policies in this country are already in place to benefit the super rich while punishing those striving to attain the American dream. That's not the land of opportunity people dream about.

It's not the individual's responsibility to put food on the table? Are you serious? That's the most fundamental thing a person of sound mind and body can do. To pawn that off onto someone else is ridiculous.

There are a million ways to start a business that don't take substantial capital. It's done every day, but only by people who are willing to take the risks and make the necessary sacrifices. Anyone who has actually done it knows that.

If a person of sound mind and body wants to improve their life, they can choose to do so. Putting the responsibility on someone else is the lazy way out.

I have far more faith in people than you do.

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[Boss]

Then that should simplify matters, if they are not concerned with the well being of the economy then we should immediately quit giving them gifts of tax cuts to try to make them at least a little concerned, **** em.

Yep, and we should eliminate all government hand-outs to every person who is not interested in creating more jobs or keeping them in the US. I wonder how many welfare check recipients even thought about how to create a new job or keep one in America this month? How many people received an EIC tax refund this year, and didn't do one thing to ensure any new jobs were created or not outsourced? You are absolutely right, that is a brilliant idea!

 

[occupied]

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This is all part of the "you didn't build that, someone else did" mentality. Most are people with absolutely no understanding of or appreciation for the risks, failures, headaches, costs and sacrifices of starting and growing and operating a business.

Moreover, they don't WANT to know about it or admit to it, because at some point they'd have to look in the mirror at the fear and unwillingness inside of them to do what it takes. It's easier to just label the business owner be the bad guy and do the entitlement thing.

The purpose of a business/corporation is to maximize shareholder value, not to put food on the table of people who don't have the balls to start their own business or the willingness to make themselves more valuable on the job market.

And they chafe when people don't believe they're pro-business.

.

Acting as if labor is beneath your dignity as a way of keeping a roof over your head is the root of conservatives seeming as if they despise the working man. Some of you even see exploitative wage slavery as a fitting punishment for lacking the drive to be born into better circumstances. How the hell are we supposed to have a decent economy when the pressure on the working man is to continually settle for less every year with the reminder that you will never deserve what is begrudgingly paid for your time? Don't want to be seen as a hater of honest working people? Adjust this attitude of anything for the owners, nothing for the workers.

Wow, so many straw men, so little time.

Beneath my dignity? Nope. I've worked at all levels of business, from fast food grunt to business owner.

Wage slavery? Silly hyperbole. Slavery is a real term with real meaning and real history. No one is forcing you to do anything, are they?

To be born into better circumstances? That's the only way people make it? Really? Is that how you justify not being where you want to be?

And I'm not an honest working person? Proof?

Come on, I'm sure you can do better than thin platitudes.

And tell me how you're pro business.

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I am very pro-small business. I just despise the big business Walmart model of impersonal labor exploitation that we in America inexplicably see as normal and right to a developed first world nation. Many make the mistake of lumping small family operations in with multinational monsters when they hear someone complaining about labor vs. management, they are not the same and only rarely does the prevailing criticisms of capitalism apply to them, for all intents they are more in the same boat as working people than the billionaires who have rightly earned their share of scorn.

 

[Mac1958]

Acting as if labor is beneath your dignity as a way of keeping a roof over your head is the root of conservatives seeming as if they despise the working man. Some of you even see exploitative wage slavery as a fitting punishment for lacking the drive to be born into better circumstances. How the hell are we supposed to have a decent economy when the pressure on the working man is to continually settle for less every year with the reminder that you will never deserve what is begrudgingly paid for your time? Don't want to be seen as a hater of honest working people? Adjust this attitude of anything for the owners, nothing for the workers.

Wow, so many straw men, so little time.

Beneath my dignity? Nope. I've worked at all levels of business, from fast food grunt to business owner.

Wage slavery? Silly hyperbole. Slavery is a real term with real meaning and real history. No one is forcing you to do anything, are they?

To be born into better circumstances? That's the only way people make it? Really? Is that how you justify not being where you want to be?

And I'm not an honest working person? Proof?

Come on, I'm sure you can do better than thin platitudes.

And tell me how you're pro business.

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I am not so certain that he or any of the other haters can.

When a person is attacking out of absolute, abject ignorance, it can get tough.

.

 

[occupied]

Then that should simplify matters, if they are not concerned with the well being of the economy then we should immediately quit giving them gifts of tax cuts to try to make them at least a little concerned, **** em.

Yep, and we should eliminate all government hand-outs to every person who is not interested in creating more jobs or keeping them in the US. I wonder how many welfare check recipients even thought about how to create a new job or keep one in America this month? How many people received an EIC tax refund this year, and didn't do one thing to ensure any new jobs were created or not outsourced? You are absolutely right, that is a brilliant idea!

I wonder how many food stamps got funneled to offshore accounts? How many EICs bought anything made of solid gold? I have little problem if that money gets spent quickly and in America, that's stimulative, Too much corporate socialism is demonstrably non-stimulative but we do it anyway with the full blessing of "fiscal conservatives".

 

[LeftofLeft]

Capitalists do not create wealth.......the workers do

Every worker is a capitalist. He/she trades his skill sets and production for wealth. Capitalism works. Collectivism cannot survive without some level of Capitalism. Capitalism can survive without Collectivism.

 

[Truthseeker420]

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