funny, but you just described Obama and Hillary Clinton. They, and you libs, are the ones that want to control others. you want to control speech, education, the media, food, drink, cars, reproduction, and even thoughts. YOU are antifa. you resort to violence when you don't get your way. YOU are what is wrong with America
What you just described is the antithesis of "Liberal". Learn your terms.
we are not discussing dictionary definitions, we are discussing the practical realities practiced TODAY by people who call themselves liberals-------------antifa, BLM, the media, academia, etc.
my description is accurate of today's liberals.

Hitler was left wing all the way, hence his actions. He wanted to control everybody and everything the very definition of socialism.
Dip shit, the GOP establishment Republican Party is not conservative, never has been.
Hitler was a hard right authoritarian dictator. The urge to "control" everyone comes from authoritarianism, not liberalism. Stalin was a hard left authoritarian. They were two sides of the same coin.
Trump also seeks to control the press, his opposition and others. That doesn't make him a left winger, but it makes him an authoritarian. Anyone who criticizes him is an "enemy of the people". Trump's authoritarianism is what makes him so dangerous as a President.
Your progressive schooling has confused you, all communism is, is evolved socialism.
The collective that is socialism eliminates any sort of individuality and freedom… fact
A Free-market capitalist republic is the only way to promote individuality and freedom…
The only way to have "free market" capitalism is to totally control and eliminate the left because free market capitalism suppresses wages, increases prices and provides no social safety net for the instability it causes.
When it was tried in South America in the 70's, it lead to deepening poverty, inequity, and could only be maintained by the brutal repression and murder of liberals.
Democratic socialism, which balances well regulated capitalism with a reasonable social safety net produces far more successful countries.
Socialism has never survived, long-term. Because it relies on envy as its primary principle
Americans keep promoting this fiction that socialist countries aren't successful, conflating socialism with communism, which is an extreme form of socialism. COMMUNISM is not successful.
Communism is the opposite of free market capitalism, which is also not successful, and has failed miserably every time it's tried. FMC is so spectacularly unsuccessful that attempts to implement it have always fallen short, and been forced to rely on at least some social safety net to keep the lower classes from starvation and rioting.
Both Communism and FMC are dependent on extreme violent suppression of the population, and restricting freedom of the press.
Canada has been a democratic socialist country for 150 years. How long have Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, France, Belgium, and Great Britain been around and other European countries been around? These are all socialist democracies which combine well regulated capitalism with a strong social safety net, and all have been around since the industrial revolution, even if some of them are technically monarchies.
Yes, they are and so are a lot of conservatives. You people are just two sides of the same coin
No, that is a lie, and what's more you know it.
You're just trying to get credit for taking what you perceive to be a "moderate" position.
But "moderate" is just another word for "liberal."
Moderates will end up in hell too.
No, you are lying and you know it. And I'm not a moderate, I'm a libertarian. You are an authoritarian and you are part of the problem in this country. You wave the flag around and cling to the constitution but you don't believe in either one unless it suits your own agenda
Libertarian is another word for "clueless idiot".
I and a liberal friend argued with a libertarian once, and when we asked her why a man could not sell himself into slavery, she had no answer.
Because there is no libertarian answer to this question, and that's because according to libertarianism, a man CAN sell himself into slavery.
Slavery = debt in today's society..
Slavery isn't necessarily debt. It can also be defined as working for less money than is required in today's economy to cover one's basic living expenses.