Liberalism's Fatal Flaw

[2aguy]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination of our young people into the failed belief in modern left wing liberalism/progressivism/regressivism..........the government schools....controlled by the left wing education branch of the democrat party uses those 12-16 years to teach a failed system.......and then you guys say ......see.....people don't like conservatism......

Give us 12-16 years of unfettered access to teach about liberty, individual rights and responsibilities, limited government, checks and balances....and free markets....and we would have the wealthiest, healthiest and most powerful country in the world.......

But we have a 5th column of lefty nuts who have taken over education, the government bureacracies, journalism and entertainment......and they still can't completely control the country....

Why would liberals be able to exercise dictatorial control over public education when in fact the governing structure of public education at every level is

by ELECTED officials, or by people appointed or hired by elected officials?

Don't conservatives vote?

The teachers unions and their membership are predominantly left wing...or neutral.......and so those not specifically conservative outnumber the conservatives.......it is in the classroom where the left wing crap gets taught......

 

[PoliticalChic]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination of our young people into the failed belief in modern left wing liberalism/progressivism/regressivism..........the government schools....controlled by the left wing education branch of the democrat party uses those 12-16 years to teach a failed system.......and then you guys say ......see.....people don't like conservatism......

Give us 12-16 years of unfettered access to teach about liberty, individual rights and responsibilities, limited government, checks and balances....and free markets....and we would have the wealthiest, healthiest and most powerful country in the world.......

But we have a 5th column of lefty nuts who have taken over education, the government bureacracies, journalism and entertainment......and they still can't completely control the country....

Why would liberals be able to exercise dictatorial control over public education when in fact the governing structure of public education at every level is

by ELECTED officials, or by people appointed or hired by elected officials?

Don't conservatives vote?

The teachers unions and their membership are predominantly left wing...or neutral.......and so those not specifically conservative outnumber the conservatives.......it is in the classroom where the left wing crap gets taught......

"..it is in the classroom where the left wing crap gets taught......"

And worse.

"The California Federation of Teachers (CFT)passed a resolution at its most recent convention claiming that “the continued unjustincarceration of Mumia Abu-Jamalrepresents a threat to thecivil rightsof all people.” Thirty years ago, Abu-Jamal took away Philadelphia policeman Daniel Faulkner’s foremost civil right: his life. How obtuse of the CFT to disregard “the threat to the civil rights of all people” represented by someone capable of gunning down a man tasked with protecting the public.

The pantheon of leftist saints includes the Haymarket Square bombers, responsible for the deaths of eight Chicago cops, Joe Hill, murderer of former police officer John Morrison in Salt Lake City, Huey Newton, murderer of Oakland policeman John Frey, and Leonard Peltier, murderer of FBI agents Jack Coler and Ronald Williams. Notice a pattern?"
Teachers' Mumia Abu-Jamal Resolution Out of Sync Morally and Historically | Human Events

 

[2aguy]

Bah. Hand me a drink, im having sex

Does your wife or husband know?

Sometimes, i dont believe i know you, 2aguy.

No one knows me.....I am unknowable......

 

[PoliticalChic]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination of our young people into the failed belief in modern left wing liberalism/progressivism/regressivism..........the government schools....controlled by the left wing education branch of the democrat party uses those 12-16 years to teach a failed system.......and then you guys say ......see.....people don't like conservatism......

Give us 12-16 years of unfettered access to teach about liberty, individual rights and responsibilities, limited government, checks and balances....and free markets....and we would have the wealthiest, healthiest and most powerful country in the world.......

But we have a 5th column of lefty nuts who have taken over education, the government bureacracies, journalism and entertainment......and they still can't completely control the country....

"...No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination..."
Followed by a lifetime of the media and the entertainment industry.


1. Dennis Prager:
Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.

2. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) inPWW(The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.


b.

 

[2aguy]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination of our young people into the failed belief in modern left wing liberalism/progressivism/regressivism..........the government schools....controlled by the left wing education branch of the democrat party uses those 12-16 years to teach a failed system.......and then you guys say ......see.....people don't like conservatism......

Give us 12-16 years of unfettered access to teach about liberty, individual rights and responsibilities, limited government, checks and balances....and free markets....and we would have the wealthiest, healthiest and most powerful country in the world.......

But we have a 5th column of lefty nuts who have taken over education, the government bureacracies, journalism and entertainment......and they still can't completely control the country....

"...No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination..."
Followed by a lifetime of the media and the entertainment industry.


1. Dennis Prager:
Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

Of course not! Liberals are open-minded!!! The irony here is that the denial itself shows how very effective the brainwashing has been.

Now, Christians or Jews who have rarely been exposed to secular ideas and values would readily acknowledge same. It is only those on the Left who fool themselves into believing that they have been exposed to all points of view.

2. Universities have become to Liberalism what a Christian seminary is to Christianity. The difference is that Christian seminaries acknowledge their purpose, to produce committed Christians.

a. “The purpose of a university should be to make a son as unlike his father as possible.” The University's Part in Political Life” (13 March 1909) inPWW(The Papers of Woodrow Wilson) 19:99.


b.

Dennis Prager is great......I listen to his show when I can......thanks again....great thread....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bah. Hand me a drink, im having sex

Does your wife or husband know?

Sometimes, i dont believe i know you, 2aguy.

No one knows me.....I am unknowable......

Perhaps even......
.....ineffable.

 

[2aguy]

This is so on target.......

1. Dennis Prager:
Leftism is so pervasive, that if applied to any other way of looking at life, it would be widely recognized as a form of brainwashing! Image a person who attended only fundamental Christian schools from preschool through graduate school, who never saw a secular, let alone anti-Christian, film, and who only read religious books. Most would say that they had been ‘brainwashed.” Yet, we regularly find individuals who only attended secular liberal schools from preschool through college, watched or listened to only Left-of-center television, movies, music, and had essentially no exposure to religious or conservative ideas. Brainwashed?

 

[2aguy]

Bah. Hand me a drink, im having sex

Does your wife or husband know?

Sometimes, i dont believe i know you, 2aguy.

No one knows me.....I am unknowable......

Perhaps even......
.....ineffable.

I looked that word up......thanks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination of our young people into the failed belief in modern left wing liberalism/progressivism/regressivism..........the government schools....controlled by the left wing education branch of the democrat party uses those 12-16 years to teach a failed system.......and then you guys say ......see.....people don't like conservatism......

Give us 12-16 years of unfettered access to teach about liberty, individual rights and responsibilities, limited government, checks and balances....and free markets....and we would have the wealthiest, healthiest and most powerful country in the world.......

But we have a 5th column of lefty nuts who have taken over education, the government bureacracies, journalism and entertainment......and they still can't completely control the country....

Why would liberals be able to exercise dictatorial control over public education when in fact the governing structure of public education at every level is

by ELECTED officials, or by people appointed or hired by elected officials?

Don't conservatives vote?

The teachers unions and their membership are predominantly left wing...or neutral.......and so those not specifically conservative outnumber the conservatives.......it is in the classroom where the left wing crap gets taught......

Total dodge of the question, imbecile.

You bitch about liberals running the schools?

Elect a conservative school board. Elect a conservative state legislature. Elect a conservative President and Congress.

You people are too lazy to do anything but bitch.

 

[there4eyeM]

For children in America to be suffering from lack of food, medical care, housing and education is reprehensible and inexcusable. 'Welfare' does not exist, as seems to be inferred, merely to seduce people into some ideology. It exists because defective ideologies have not met the need.

 

[Jack4jill]

1. No ideology has ever been as good at the use of propaganda as the modern iteration of liberalism.
This is why it remains the most dynamic religion of our age.

Most important is to bear in mind that nothing could be further from the attitudes and values under which America was created, than that very ideology, Modern Liberalism.

Classical liberalism, the views if the Founders, what would be called conservatism today, is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Modern Liberalism finds at its center, material equality.
That is its fatal flaw.


2. "The division between classical and modern liberals is often represented as paralleling the tension between liberty and equality. Where classical liberalism saw individual liberty as the driving force behind peace and prosperity, the modern variety puts more emphasis on equality." Who Cares about Inequality? | Don Watkins


3. To see the roots of 'Liberalism," and its commections to material equality, know this:
"Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world."
Dennis Prager




4. "The only kind of equality that is possible is also the only kind that matters: political equality. Political equality refers to equality of rights. Before the creation of the United States, every system of government had taken for granted that some people were entitled to rule others, taking away their freedom and property whenever some allegedly “greater good” demanded it.

The Founders rejected that notion. Each individual, they held, is to be regarded by the government as having the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as any other individual. So long as he didn’t violate other people’s rights, he was free to set his own course and live on his own terms.

..... the Founders transformed the state from an instrument of oppression into an instrument of liberation: it liberated the individual so that he was free to make the most of his life."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Yet, there are still enough gullible voters who imagine that things will only be taken away from others....and given to them.
They're called Liberals.

The fatal flaw of liberalism is most, like the OP, are too stupid to understand it.

They were never taught to respect it, to defend it, or why it is the basis of the nation, which they would happily destroy trying to undo what holds it together, liberalism.

I'd certainly have to agree that you have some expertise on 'stupid,' having practiced it for a life time.....

But, let's prove that.

"...why it is the basis of the nation.."

Hardly.
It is the very antithesis (better look that up).



This nation was designed by the Founders to to advance individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Obamunist, Liberalism, Progressivism stands for collectivism, undue regulation, and overarching big government, ignoring the Constitution.

And that's what you vote for. You didn't know that, did you, you fool.

You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.

 

[Contumacious]

Contemporary conservatism's fatal flaw is that it is represented by people like the OP. Its decline in popularity is attributable in large part to its repulsive messengers.

Now, to address the thread specifically, there is a direct correlation. The proliferation of repulsive representatives of conservatism has effectively opened the door for a strong lurch to the left, and that's precisely what we're seeing. Leftists - and I don't mean traditional liberals, I mean hardcore leftists - should thank their lucky stars for conservative talk radio and its faithful and obedient adherents, obviously including the OP. You're getting a valuable assist here.

Yes, the far left has become stronger and more emboldened, in large part because of the unattractive antics of the far right. And whatever weaknesses and flaws you may want to attribute to liberalism will manifest more quickly and more broadly because of people like the OP.

It's happening by comparison.
.

No...what you are seeing is 12-16 years of indoctrination of our young people into the failed belief in modern left wing liberalism/progressivism/regressivism..........the government schools....controlled by the left wing education branch of the democrat party uses those 12-16 years to teach a failed system.......and then you guys say ......see.....people don't like conservatism......

Give us 12-16 years of unfettered access to teach about liberty, individual rights and responsibilities, limited government, checks and balances....and free markets....and we would have the wealthiest, healthiest and most powerful country in the world.......

But we have a 5th column of lefty nuts who have taken over education, the government bureacracies, journalism and entertainment......and they still can't completely control the country....

Why would liberals be able to exercise dictatorial control over public education when in fact the governing structure of public education at every level is

by ELECTED officials, or by people appointed or hired by elected officials?

Don't conservatives vote?

The teachers unions and their membership are predominantly left wing...or neutral.......and so those not specifically conservative outnumber the conservatives.......it is in the classroom where the left wing crap gets taught......

Total dodge of the question, imbecile.

You bitch about liberals running the schools?

Elect a conservative school board. Elect a conservative state legislature. Elect a conservative President and Congress.

You people are too lazy to do anything but bitch.

Yo unconscious

Are you forgetting that the parasites vote early and often?


That our rightS are supposed to emanate from the CONSTITUTION (1787) not from political majorities?


That we have a right not to be compelled to send our children to government indoctrination centers?


"The Oregon Compulsory Education Act (Oreg. Ls., § 5259) which, with certain exemptions, requires every parent, guardian or other person having control of a child between the ages of eight and sixteen years to send him to the public school in the district where he resides, for the period during which the school is held for the current year, is an unreasonable interference with the liberty of the parents and guardians to direct the upbringing of the children, and in that respect violates the Fourteenth Amendment.

Pierce v. Society of Sisters
268 U.S. 510 (1925)

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. No ideology has ever been as good at the use of propaganda as the modern iteration of liberalism.
This is why it remains the most dynamic religion of our age.

Most important is to bear in mind that nothing could be further from the attitudes and values under which America was created, than that very ideology, Modern Liberalism.

Classical liberalism, the views if the Founders, what would be called conservatism today, is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Modern Liberalism finds at its center, material equality.
That is its fatal flaw.


2. "The division between classical and modern liberals is often represented as paralleling the tension between liberty and equality. Where classical liberalism saw individual liberty as the driving force behind peace and prosperity, the modern variety puts more emphasis on equality." Who Cares about Inequality? | Don Watkins


3. To see the roots of 'Liberalism," and its commections to material equality, know this:
"Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world."
Dennis Prager




4. "The only kind of equality that is possible is also the only kind that matters: political equality. Political equality refers to equality of rights. Before the creation of the United States, every system of government had taken for granted that some people were entitled to rule others, taking away their freedom and property whenever some allegedly “greater good” demanded it.

The Founders rejected that notion. Each individual, they held, is to be regarded by the government as having the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as any other individual. So long as he didn’t violate other people’s rights, he was free to set his own course and live on his own terms.

..... the Founders transformed the state from an instrument of oppression into an instrument of liberation: it liberated the individual so that he was free to make the most of his life."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Yet, there are still enough gullible voters who imagine that things will only be taken away from others....and given to them.
They're called Liberals.

The fatal flaw of liberalism is most, like the OP, are too stupid to understand it.

They were never taught to respect it, to defend it, or why it is the basis of the nation, which they would happily destroy trying to undo what holds it together, liberalism.

I'd certainly have to agree that you have some expertise on 'stupid,' having practiced it for a life time.....

But, let's prove that.

"...why it is the basis of the nation.."

Hardly.
It is the very antithesis (better look that up).



This nation was designed by the Founders to to advance individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Obamunist, Liberalism, Progressivism stands for collectivism, undue regulation, and overarching big government, ignoring the Constitution.

And that's what you vote for. You didn't know that, did you, you fool.

You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.

The Founders were classical liberals....what are known as conservatives today.

Proof?
Sure, so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Now....which of these is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government:
Nazism, Modern Liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Progressivism?


Right....none of them.



Put you in your place, huh?

 

[there4eyeM]

[/QUOTE]
You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.[/QUOTE]

Tsk, tsk! You're not bending to 'chic's definitions!

 

[Jack4jill]

1. No ideology has ever been as good at the use of propaganda as the modern iteration of liberalism.
This is why it remains the most dynamic religion of our age.

Most important is to bear in mind that nothing could be further from the attitudes and values under which America was created, than that very ideology, Modern Liberalism.

Classical liberalism, the views if the Founders, what would be called conservatism today, is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Modern Liberalism finds at its center, material equality.
That is its fatal flaw.


2. "The division between classical and modern liberals is often represented as paralleling the tension between liberty and equality. Where classical liberalism saw individual liberty as the driving force behind peace and prosperity, the modern variety puts more emphasis on equality." Who Cares about Inequality? | Don Watkins


3. To see the roots of 'Liberalism," and its commections to material equality, know this:
"Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world."
Dennis Prager




4. "The only kind of equality that is possible is also the only kind that matters: political equality. Political equality refers to equality of rights. Before the creation of the United States, every system of government had taken for granted that some people were entitled to rule others, taking away their freedom and property whenever some allegedly “greater good” demanded it.

The Founders rejected that notion. Each individual, they held, is to be regarded by the government as having the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as any other individual. So long as he didn’t violate other people’s rights, he was free to set his own course and live on his own terms.

..... the Founders transformed the state from an instrument of oppression into an instrument of liberation: it liberated the individual so that he was free to make the most of his life."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Yet, there are still enough gullible voters who imagine that things will only be taken away from others....and given to them.
They're called Liberals.

The fatal flaw of liberalism is most, like the OP, are too stupid to understand it.

They were never taught to respect it, to defend it, or why it is the basis of the nation, which they would happily destroy trying to undo what holds it together, liberalism.

I'd certainly have to agree that you have some expertise on 'stupid,' having practiced it for a life time.....

But, let's prove that.

"...why it is the basis of the nation.."

Hardly.
It is the very antithesis (better look that up).



This nation was designed by the Founders to to advance individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Obamunist, Liberalism, Progressivism stands for collectivism, undue regulation, and overarching big government, ignoring the Constitution.

And that's what you vote for. You didn't know that, did you, you fool.

You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.

The Founders were classical liberals....what are known as conservatives today.

Proof?
Sure, so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Now....which of these is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government:
Nazism, Modern Liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Progressivism?


Right....none of them.



Put you in your place, huh?

People who overthrow lawful governments to achieve liberty are conservatives? No.

 

[regent]

1. No ideology has ever been as good at the use of propaganda as the modern iteration of liberalism.
This is why it remains the most dynamic religion of our age.

Most important is to bear in mind that nothing could be further from the attitudes and values under which America was created, than that very ideology, Modern Liberalism.

Classical liberalism, the views if the Founders, what would be called conservatism today, is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Modern Liberalism finds at its center, material equality.
That is its fatal flaw.


2. "The division between classical and modern liberals is often represented as paralleling the tension between liberty and equality. Where classical liberalism saw individual liberty as the driving force behind peace and prosperity, the modern variety puts more emphasis on equality." Who Cares about Inequality? | Don Watkins


3. To see the roots of 'Liberalism," and its commections to material equality, know this:
"Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world."
Dennis Prager




4. "The only kind of equality that is possible is also the only kind that matters: political equality. Political equality refers to equality of rights. Before the creation of the United States, every system of government had taken for granted that some people were entitled to rule others, taking away their freedom and property whenever some allegedly “greater good” demanded it.

The Founders rejected that notion. Each individual, they held, is to be regarded by the government as having the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as any other individual. So long as he didn’t violate other people’s rights, he was free to set his own course and live on his own terms.

..... the Founders transformed the state from an instrument of oppression into an instrument of liberation: it liberated the individual so that he was free to make the most of his life."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Yet, there are still enough gullible voters who imagine that things will only be taken away from others....and given to them.
They're called Liberals.

The fatal flaw of liberalism is most, like the OP, are too stupid to understand it.

They were never taught to respect it, to defend it, or why it is the basis of the nation, which they would happily destroy trying to undo what holds it together, liberalism.

I'd certainly have to agree that you have some expertise on 'stupid,' having practiced it for a life time.....

But, let's prove that.

"...why it is the basis of the nation.."

Hardly.
It is the very antithesis (better look that up).



This nation was designed by the Founders to to advance individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Obamunist, Liberalism, Progressivism stands for collectivism, undue regulation, and overarching big government, ignoring the Constitution.

And that's what you vote for. You didn't know that, did you, you fool.

You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.

The Founders were classical liberals....what are known as conservatives today.

Proof?
Sure, so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Now....which of these is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government:
Nazism, Modern Liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Progressivism?


Right....none of them.



Put you in your place, huh?

America may have had free markets before the white man came but when did America lose the free markets?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. No ideology has ever been as good at the use of propaganda as the modern iteration of liberalism.
This is why it remains the most dynamic religion of our age.

Most important is to bear in mind that nothing could be further from the attitudes and values under which America was created, than that very ideology, Modern Liberalism.

Classical liberalism, the views if the Founders, what would be called conservatism today, is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Modern Liberalism finds at its center, material equality.
That is its fatal flaw.


2. "The division between classical and modern liberals is often represented as paralleling the tension between liberty and equality. Where classical liberalism saw individual liberty as the driving force behind peace and prosperity, the modern variety puts more emphasis on equality." Who Cares about Inequality? | Don Watkins


3. To see the roots of 'Liberalism," and its commections to material equality, know this:
"Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world."
Dennis Prager




4. "The only kind of equality that is possible is also the only kind that matters: political equality. Political equality refers to equality of rights. Before the creation of the United States, every system of government had taken for granted that some people were entitled to rule others, taking away their freedom and property whenever some allegedly “greater good” demanded it.

The Founders rejected that notion. Each individual, they held, is to be regarded by the government as having the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as any other individual. So long as he didn’t violate other people’s rights, he was free to set his own course and live on his own terms.

..... the Founders transformed the state from an instrument of oppression into an instrument of liberation: it liberated the individual so that he was free to make the most of his life."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Yet, there are still enough gullible voters who imagine that things will only be taken away from others....and given to them.
They're called Liberals.

The fatal flaw of liberalism is most, like the OP, are too stupid to understand it.

They were never taught to respect it, to defend it, or why it is the basis of the nation, which they would happily destroy trying to undo what holds it together, liberalism.

I'd certainly have to agree that you have some expertise on 'stupid,' having practiced it for a life time.....

But, let's prove that.

"...why it is the basis of the nation.."

Hardly.
It is the very antithesis (better look that up).



This nation was designed by the Founders to to advance individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Obamunist, Liberalism, Progressivism stands for collectivism, undue regulation, and overarching big government, ignoring the Constitution.

And that's what you vote for. You didn't know that, did you, you fool.

You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.

The Founders were classical liberals....what are known as conservatives today.

Proof?
Sure, so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Now....which of these is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government:
Nazism, Modern Liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Progressivism?


Right....none of them.



Put you in your place, huh?

People who overthrow lawful governments to achieve liberty are conservatives? No.

Let's do it again:
....so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Only conservatism remains committed to the above.

Fascists, Liberals, etc support collectivism, punitive over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.


Try to deny this.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The fatal flaw of liberalism is most, like the OP, are too stupid to understand it.

They were never taught to respect it, to defend it, or why it is the basis of the nation, which they would happily destroy trying to undo what holds it together, liberalism.

I'd certainly have to agree that you have some expertise on 'stupid,' having practiced it for a life time.....

But, let's prove that.

"...why it is the basis of the nation.."

Hardly.
It is the very antithesis (better look that up).



This nation was designed by the Founders to to advance individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Obamunist, Liberalism, Progressivism stands for collectivism, undue regulation, and overarching big government, ignoring the Constitution.

And that's what you vote for. You didn't know that, did you, you fool.

You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.

The Founders were classical liberals....what are known as conservatives today.

Proof?
Sure, so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Now....which of these is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government:
Nazism, Modern Liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Progressivism?


Right....none of them.



Put you in your place, huh?

People who overthrow lawful governments to achieve liberty are conservatives? No.

Let's do it again:
....so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Only conservatism remains committed to the above.

Fascists, Liberals, etc support collectivism, punitive over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.


Try to deny this.

Wrong. America was founded on protectionism and a strong central, supreme, federal government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[

Fascists, Liberals, etc support collectivism, punitive over-regulation, and unlimited central command and control governance.


Try to deny this.

The US military is the most collective institution in this country, highly discouraging of individualism, and heavily regulated with extreme command and control governance.

It is also conservatism's favorite US institution.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. No ideology has ever been as good at the use of propaganda as the modern iteration of liberalism.
This is why it remains the most dynamic religion of our age.

Most important is to bear in mind that nothing could be further from the attitudes and values under which America was created, than that very ideology, Modern Liberalism.

Classical liberalism, the views if the Founders, what would be called conservatism today, is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Modern Liberalism finds at its center, material equality.
That is its fatal flaw.


2. "The division between classical and modern liberals is often represented as paralleling the tension between liberty and equality. Where classical liberalism saw individual liberty as the driving force behind peace and prosperity, the modern variety puts more emphasis on equality." Who Cares about Inequality? | Don Watkins


3. To see the roots of 'Liberalism," and its commections to material equality, know this:
"Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world."
Dennis Prager




4. "The only kind of equality that is possible is also the only kind that matters: political equality. Political equality refers to equality of rights. Before the creation of the United States, every system of government had taken for granted that some people were entitled to rule others, taking away their freedom and property whenever some allegedly “greater good” demanded it.

The Founders rejected that notion. Each individual, they held, is to be regarded by the government as having the same rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness as any other individual. So long as he didn’t violate other people’s rights, he was free to set his own course and live on his own terms.

..... the Founders transformed the state from an instrument of oppression into an instrument of liberation: it liberated the individual so that he was free to make the most of his life."
Fee, Op. Cit.


Yet, there are still enough gullible voters who imagine that things will only be taken away from others....and given to them.
They're called Liberals.

The fatal flaw of liberalism is most, like the OP, are too stupid to understand it.

They were never taught to respect it, to defend it, or why it is the basis of the nation, which they would happily destroy trying to undo what holds it together, liberalism.

I'd certainly have to agree that you have some expertise on 'stupid,' having practiced it for a life time.....

But, let's prove that.

"...why it is the basis of the nation.."

Hardly.
It is the very antithesis (better look that up).



This nation was designed by the Founders to to advance individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.
Obamunist, Liberalism, Progressivism stands for collectivism, undue regulation, and overarching big government, ignoring the Constitution.

And that's what you vote for. You didn't know that, did you, you fool.

You reason like a child, no offense to children. Someone told you liberalism was bad, and you believed them.

That's okay, we've known for a very long time that stupid people are conservative. They didn't fight for this nation when it was founded either.

The Founders were classical liberals....what are known as conservatives today.

Proof?
Sure, so simple that even a simpleton like you will be able to understand the facts: America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Now....which of these is based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government:
Nazism, Modern Liberalism, socialism, communism, fascism, or Progressivism?


Right....none of them.



Put you in your place, huh?

America may have had free markets before the white man came but when did America lose the free markets?

No, you imbecile....there was no market until Europeans taught the Indians what capitalism was.

I'm still astounded how folks like you have no qualms about posting on topics you know less than zero about.


The culture of the Indians was a destructive one.

It was not just the indigenous fauna of North America that benefited from the inception of property rights...but it was far more beneficial to the people of other, more advanced civilizations than American Indians.....

Raising mankind from tyranny, poverty and disease arrived with the concepts of capitalism, the free market, and private property.

These ideas were not part of the psyche of aboriginal peoples; the concepts represent the advancement of society.


"In the cases where native peoples did practice sustainable use of resources it was because they had developed the institution of private property, and the market, often as a result of contact with white settlers."
"Wild in Woods: The Myth of the Noble Eco-Savage," Robert Whelan, p. 37