Liberalism vs America

[Pogo]

My goodness... look at all the impotence demonstrated by the "Disagree" marks. This is what comes where one 'feels' they disagree, but lack the strength of character and the intellectual means to offer a valid opposing opinion.

LOL! Leftists... .

I'll let them have their little disagree marks. I think they've run out of names to call us.

^^ the height of irony in a thread that insists on pretending fantasy definitions of "Liberal"...

 

[francoHFW]

Try reading this and thinking, hater dupes, out of character as that is...

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 60 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 5, 2014
5/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insider

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

My goodness... look at all the impotence demonstrated by the "Disagree" marks. This is what comes where one 'feels' they disagree, but lack the strength of character and the intellectual means to offer a valid opposing opinion.

LOL! Leftists... .

I'll let them have their little disagree marks. I think they've run out of names to call us.

^^ the height of irony in a thread that insists on pretending fantasy definitions of "Liberal"...

No one is contesting the definition of the word liberal, as that is an objectively recognized fact of history.

What is just as incontestable, is that the ideological Left has no kinship with the word and deceitfully uses it purely in a fraudulent means to influence the ignorant.

Proving once again that the triumvirate of evil at the hollow core of Socialism is represented by deceit, fraud and ignorance.

 

[norwegen]

My goodness... look at all the impotence demonstrated by the "Disagree" marks. This is what comes where one 'feels' they disagree, but lack the strength of character and the intellectual means to offer a valid opposing opinion.

LOL! Leftists... .

I'll let them have their little disagree marks. I think they've run out of names to call us.

^^ the height of irony in a thread that insists on pretending fantasy definitions of "Liberal"...

Well, I've been here long enough now to know that this isn't the only thread you've ever injected fantasy into.

PS: Obama's a liberal.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Try reading this and thinking, hater dupes, out of character as that is...

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 60 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez | The White House
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB: Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--June 5, 2014
5/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insider

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Those numbers reflect the consumption of the GDP by the dead weight of 'social justice'.

As the cost of government increases, the liabilities to sustain that government are largely paid by the largest percentage of national production; OKA: The Middle Class.

Want to see the Middle Class return to prosperity, stop confiscating 3 trillion dollars per year, above the reasonable cost of operating the Federal Government, from it.

It's an easy calculation, take the number of people you feel comprise the working middle class, subtract from that the taxes paid by those living above the middle class divide that number by 3 trillion. That will tell you what the government is taking from the middle class. Then compare that number to say the mid 40s, 50s 60s. And PRESTO, you'll have discovered: THE PROBLEM!

 

[francoHFW]

#200- Yes, yes Dems ended redlining so WORTHY minorities could get loans. Booosh regulators let ANYTHING go. Can you read?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

#200- Yes, yes Dems ended redlining so WORTHY minorities could get loans. Booosh regulators let ANYTHING go. Can you read?

NONSENSE!

And how do we KNOW it is nonsense?

Because those worthy of a mortgage: GET A MORTGAGE BASED UPON THEIR DEMONSTRATED WORTHINESS. (Ya see, that is nature of actuarial lending principle.)

The Community Reinvestment Act and subsequent policy added to and set along side such, were designed to promote the means of the Ideological Left to acquire POWER.

It was foolishness on a grand scale, as the catastrophe that it produced readily demonstrates.

 

[Pogo]

My goodness... look at all the impotence demonstrated by the "Disagree" marks. This is what comes where one 'feels' they disagree, but lack the strength of character and the intellectual means to offer a valid opposing opinion.

LOL! Leftists... .

I'll let them have their little disagree marks. I think they've run out of names to call us.

^^ the height of irony in a thread that insists on pretending fantasy definitions of "Liberal"...

Well, I've been here long enough now to know that this isn't the only thread you've ever injected fantasy into.

PS: Obama's a liberal.

PPS: no he ain't. Check your definitions.

 

[francoHFW]

Libs at that time- More than half the country, admirers of FDR. The Greatest Generation, etc...

 

[norwegen]

My goodness... look at all the impotence demonstrated by the "Disagree" marks. This is what comes where one 'feels' they disagree, but lack the strength of character and the intellectual means to offer a valid opposing opinion.

LOL! Leftists... .

I'll let them have their little disagree marks. I think they've run out of names to call us.

^^ the height of irony in a thread that insists on pretending fantasy definitions of "Liberal"...

Well, I've been here long enough now to know that this isn't the only thread you've ever injected fantasy into.

PS: Obama's a liberal.

PPS: no he ain't. Check your definitions.

 

[Pogo]

My goodness... look at all the impotence demonstrated by the "Disagree" marks. This is what comes where one 'feels' they disagree, but lack the strength of character and the intellectual means to offer a valid opposing opinion.

LOL! Leftists... .

I'll let them have their little disagree marks. I think they've run out of names to call us.

^^ the height of irony in a thread that insists on pretending fantasy definitions of "Liberal"...

Well, I've been here long enough now to know that this isn't the only thread you've ever injected fantasy into.

PS: Obama's a liberal.

PPS: no he ain't. Check your definitions.

That's the spirit. Anything to avoid challenging the old preconceptions.

And smooth move, copying my image instead of getting your own. Stay classy.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Libs at that time- More than half the country, admirers of FDR. The Greatest Generation, etc...

So popularity, is somehow tied to validity?

How does that work exactly? IF everyone on earth 'felt' to the core of their being that slamming male testicles with a hammer was the secret to vast wealth for the 'smashed nutters', this would in no way change the fact that such was in fact the secret of wealth for those who are paid to make it stop hurting; who no doubt started the rumor and paid to sustain it... .

 

[francoHFW]

#200- Yes, yes Dems ended redlining so WORTHY minorities could get loans. Booosh regulators let ANYTHING go. Can you read?

NONSENSE!

And how do we KNOW it is nonsense?

Because those worthy of a mortgage: GET A MORTGAGE BASED UPON THEIR DEMONSTRATED WORTHINESS. (Ya see, that is nature of actuarial lending principle.)

The Community Reinvestment Act and subsequent policy added to and set along side such, were designed to promote the means of the Ideological Left to acquire POWER.

It was foolishness on a grand scale, as the catastrophe that it produced readily demonstrates.

Had nothing to do with Boooshie financial institutions taking over the real estate market in 2003? Amazing- what planet are you on again?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

What liberalism has done to America?

1) Ruined the family structure for many.

2) Put the country on the road to bankruptcy

3) Made it acceptable for far to many to waste their lives drunk, drugged and freeloading.

Liberalism founded America. Liberals threw the Revolution. Every time you see the word Liberty, or Freedom, or Right, or Public, or Vote, or Civil, or Citizen, that's Liberalism. You live in a Liberal nation founded by Liberals on the basis of Liberalism. Now learn why that's true and wonder why this is news to you, because it shouldn't be...

You are wrong. Liberals did not found this country. They were the reason it was created, but that was only because our Founders wanted a place better than the countries they left. Liberals hate everything about America and always have. They favor the European governments, which are what our founders ran from. Obama is a liberal who doesn't love this country and that is why he and his ilk want to fundamentally change it. He has disdain for our constitution, which restricts him. He also seems to think our founders got it wrong and seeks to correct that.

There were no income taxes when this country was founded. It was a liberal president that made them permanent. And they've gotten more unfair since then. It's not true that taxes are collected for valid reasons. Congress has given itself too many perks. Should be an honor, and even a sacrifice, to serve our country. It's just another lucrative career now, which means they focus more on their own interests than on the people. Too many social programs allow people to waste tax payer money. And the pork spending is ridiculous.

Government was supposed to be in charge of making our money. It was a liberal who created the Federal Reserve.

There are things our Founders created and there are liberals who changed them.

Liberals found ways to relieve us of our hard-earned money and they waste it.

Our founders never intended for politicians to rule over us and rob us blind. They never intended for serving the country to be a way to get rich and live under special rules that are separate from the rules the people live under.

The best change was from Republicans that freed the slaves and ensured equal rights. Liberals were against all that.

Quit trying to re-write history. Maybe that shit will fly with the dumbed-down liberals, but not with those who know history.

If liberals had founded this country, there would have been socialism from day one.

Another wag running around with no clue what the term means.
Here, let's keep it simple --- this is Wiki:

>>
Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[2][3][4][5][6]

Liberalism first became a distinct political movement during the Age of Enlightenment, when it became popular among philosophers and economists in the Western world. Liberalism rejected the notions, common at the time, of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The 17th-century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property[7] and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights. Liberals opposed traditional conservatism and sought to replace absolutism in government with representative democracy and the rule of law.<<
(hey, I like the way the new board carries the links )

Once again ----- Liberalism is what this country is based on. Get your head out of the collective ass of Lush Rimjob and Fox Noise and into a history book. It'll do you no good to follow revisionist demagogues around like a puppy.​

ROFLMNAO! You just posted a position which irrefutably proves that "Left-think"; which is to say the 'feelings' that animate the ideological left, which claims the term: 'liberal' is the pure antithesis of what your would-be source defines as liberalism.

No modern 'liberal' is an advocate of individual liberty. As individual liberty can only exist where the individual assumes the responsibilities which assure his liberty.

Such responsibilities most assuredly reject the accepting of subsistence from their neighbors, OKA: taxes which were confiscated from the labor product of others. Such responsibilities require that one not burden one's neighbors with their personal problems, such as one's inability to control their urges to engage in sexual relations with others of their own gender. Such responsibilities include making sound choices in terms of sexual relationships; for instance where one willfully CHOOSES to engage in sexual intercourse, one does not shirk the intrinsic responsibilities to the lives of the humans conceived through the CHOICE to engage in coitus.

These 'feelings' are the very antithesis of American principle... .

There is absolutely NO KINSHIP between the principles that define America and the ideological left, OKA: "Moderate, Centrist, Independent, Liberal, Progressive, Crony-capitalist, No-name, Socialists..." .

Aw, that's so cute. A thread about political philosophies and he wants to talk about his feewings. ::snif::

Long as you can't find the flaw in your own premise, Sparky, you ain't moving from that spot.

My goodness... look at all the impotence demonstrated by the "Disagree" marks. This is what comes where one 'feels' they disagree, but lack the strength of character and the intellectual means to offer a valid opposing opinion.

LOL! Leftists... .

I'll let them have their little disagree marks. I think they've run out of names to call us.

^^ the height of irony in a thread that insists on pretending fantasy definitions of "Liberal"...

Well, I've been here long enough now to know that this isn't the only thread you've ever injected fantasy into.

PS: Obama's a liberal.

PPS: no he ain't. Check your definitions.

That's the spirit. Anything to avoid challenging the old preconceptions.

And smooth move, copying my image instead of getting your own. Stay classy.

Speaking of sweet irony...

Aw, that's so cute. A thread about political philosophies and he wants to talk about his feewings. ::snif::

Long as you can't find the flaw in your own premise, Sparky, you ain't moving from that spot.

​

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

#200- Yes, yes Dems ended redlining so WORTHY minorities could get loans. Booosh regulators let ANYTHING go. Can you read?

NONSENSE!

And how do we KNOW it is nonsense?

Because those worthy of a mortgage: GET A MORTGAGE BASED UPON THEIR DEMONSTRATED WORTHINESS. (Ya see, that is nature of actuarial lending principle.)

The Community Reinvestment Act and subsequent policy added to and set along side such, were designed to promote the means of the Ideological Left to acquire POWER.

It was foolishness on a grand scale, as the catastrophe that it produced readily demonstrates.

Had nothing to do with Boooshie financial institutions taking over the real estate market in 2003? Amazing- what planet are you on again?

ROFLMNAO!


The coolest part of that is, despite there being absolutely no truth to it, on any level, whatsoever, she believes it with every fiber of her feckless being.

 

[francoHFW]

Well if you and Rush and Beck say so, the rest of the world must be wrong lol...

 

[Lumpy 1]

What liberalism has done to America?

1) Ruined the family structure for many.

2) Put the country on the road to bankruptcy

3) Made it acceptable for far to many to waste their lives drunk, drugged and freeloading.

1) I am married and have raised 4 kids, you not so much...

2)Country was already going bankrupt when Boosh was president..Duh!

3)Then the GOP is nothing but libs, when they were in power of 2/3 of the fed govt. they never killed the welfare beast...

Your comprehension level is 1/2 fast as usual..

For me, my Op had more to do with general results than an obviously elusive political philosophy as expressed through out this thread.

What does that even mean?

Title: "Liberalism vs. America"
Liberalism is a political philosophy. Ironically it's what America is made of, so it's like saying "Thomas Edison vs. phonograph records".

 

[bluesguy1952]

Has anyone else noticed the rise in depression, cancers and suicides?

Blame the food industry, and blame republicans for the lack of regulation of the food industry.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Well let me help ya with that.

The charter of American principles were declared as the basis of authority on which the founders of the United States, kicked the only government they had ever known, to the curb.

Here's a taste of it:


The Unanimous Declaration of the
Thirteen United States of America

In Congress, July 4, 1776

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. ... .

BZZZT Wrong again! That is the Declaration of Independence. But thanks for admitting that you lied about your imaginary "Charter of American Principles". What is even funnier is this piece of delicious irony of yours;

This is very common among the cult, misusing words and abusing the language to deceitfully advancing fraudulence, as a means to influence the ignorant.

You are guilty of all of the above by trying to fraudulently rename the DoI for your own cult's deceptive purposes.

 

[Derideo_Te]

I hereby challenge you to advance so much as ONE American policy which has ever failed... .

And I have no problem whatsoever telling you in advance that you will find not so much as a single example. This being so due to the fact that such principles are immutable laws of nature, thus are no more likely to fail than any other law of nature.

FTR: American policy is that policy which recognizes, respects, defends and adheres to the principles that define America. With those principles being those declared in the charter of American principles.

Best of luck to ya... .

So you also have a reading comprehension problem? I never said anything about "American Policies failing".

I was talking about the irresponsible attempts by extreme right conservatives to harm the credit of the US Government by failing to abide by their Oath of Office to uphold the Constitution.

Where do you find this imaginary "charter of American principles" of yours because it certainly isn't any part of the Law of the Land.

LMAO!

There is no evidence of any conservative having risked the credit worthiness of the US Constitution. You are likely thinking of "Moderate" Republicans, OKA: RINOs, AKA: Progressives... Or if ya prefer "Liberals" who are affiliated with the GOP, who have 'compromised' with the Ideological Left and the Ideological Left itself, who have in just the last 6 years added 7 trillion dollars to the US Federal deficit.

You remember, you were the clowns CRYING about the 150 billion in annual budget deficits during the Bush administration. Then once you set your clown in office, you summarily began spending in deficit by an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE beyond that of the former administration.

ROFLMNAO! Imagine the irony, of an Ideological Leftist even TRYING to project their disgust with Americans and our spending.

Funny stuff.

Still drowning in denial?

The Credit Rating of the US government was downgraded because extreme rightwing conservatives blocked the increase in the debt limit. Your feeble and pathetic attempts to lay the blame elsewhere only prove that you are a liar.

And for the record you still have produced your imaginary "charter of American principles" either. Inquiring minds want to know what you are hiding.

ROFLMNAO! What color is the sky in your world?

That is HYSTERICAL! In every sense of the word.

And yet you could not refute a single fact!