Letter to Tampa Bay Times...

[TruthSeeker56]

Found this in yesterday's TBT...

Givers and takers

On Saturday we were treated to a story about a single mother of four with another baby on the way who was complaining about the state of her Tarpon Springs public housing. The Sunday Times followed up with a story about babies born to drug-addicted mothers, one of whom had already had three children removed from her custody yet was pregnant with another. The costs of both these situations is incalculable given the myriad of public programs it takes to support and care for these individuals. To make matters worse, we see that the program for tutoring the "poor" is riddled with fraud and waste yet nothing is done about it.

I challenge the Times to add up the dollar value of all these programs provided for these individuals. Let us see how much a working person would have to earn to maintain the lifestyle of the takers. Please include Medicaid, cash welfare benefits, food stamps, SSI, free school lunches, tutoring, free child care, Section 8 housing, etc. Then tell us if the growing number of these takers or babymakers is 47 percent or more. We all know why they voted the way they did.

Helen Richard, Clearwater

Wow, not hard to start thinking racism when you come across such a rant. But once you start thinking about the costs - all the costs - that others with nothing whatsoever to do with such situations have to pay for with our tax dollars, year after growing year, it's pretty easy to get pissed off at those who perpetuate such irresponsible behavior. Because they can neither keep their zippers up, nor knees together, the rest of us become the ongoing victims of their out-of-control lifestyles.

Hope the Times takes Helen up on her challenge. Nothing wrong with letting folks know what the takers are costing everyone else.

I wonder what's the cost of not helping them at all? You know, like the cost of "free" healthcare at the emergency room or, lacking that, the cost of an indigent burial? Or, the cost of incarcerating those kids because they never got an eduction and couldn't make a living? Or, the cost of policing them for a lifetime? Or, the cost of dealing with communicable diseases like the flu spread by them because they couldn't afford healthcare? Or, the cost of repeated jailings for panhandling or sleeping on the streets or using library bathrooms etc, etc, etc.

The point is that there's also costs associated with ignoring them.

A PERFECT case study for what you propose would be to tabulate the costs incurred by the cities that allowed the Occupy Wall Street vagrants to sleep in their streets and use public services.

 

[TruthSeeker56]

Found this in yesterday's TBT...

Givers and takers

On Saturday we were treated to a story about a single mother of four with another baby on the way who was complaining about the state of her Tarpon Springs public housing. The Sunday Times followed up with a story about babies born to drug-addicted mothers, one of whom had already had three children removed from her custody yet was pregnant with another. The costs of both these situations is incalculable given the myriad of public programs it takes to support and care for these individuals. To make matters worse, we see that the program for tutoring the "poor" is riddled with fraud and waste yet nothing is done about it.

I challenge the Times to add up the dollar value of all these programs provided for these individuals. Let us see how much a working person would have to earn to maintain the lifestyle of the takers. Please include Medicaid, cash welfare benefits, food stamps, SSI, free school lunches, tutoring, free child care, Section 8 housing, etc. Then tell us if the growing number of these takers or babymakers is 47 percent or more. We all know why they voted the way they did.

Helen Richard, Clearwater

Wow, not hard to start thinking racism when you come across such a rant. But once you start thinking about the costs - all the costs - that others with nothing whatsoever to do with such situations have to pay for with our tax dollars, year after growing year, it's pretty easy to get pissed off at those who perpetuate such irresponsible behavior. Because they can neither keep their zippers up, nor knees together, the rest of us become the ongoing victims of their out-of-control lifestyles.

Hope the Times takes Helen up on her challenge. Nothing wrong with letting folks know what the takers are costing everyone else.

How could you possibly equate "racism" with this letter to the TBT? I see NOTHING in this letter that indicates the singling out of a particular race.

All I see is a lady who wants to know what the hell our tax money is being spent on, and how much of our tax money is being WASTED or otherwise being "misused".

You false assumption that Helen Richard is playing the "race card" tells me that YOU are the one who is injecting race into this discussion, by ASSUMING that the mothers mentioned are minorities.

 

[jknowgood]

Forced sterilization!!!!

Get the GOP to propose it!

Yes, sounds like a winner to me, and if your planning on being on welfare from cradle to grave, sterilization after the first one.

but only the black ones huh

Wow how racist of you, no any color whould be fine. I don't base things on color. I mean I have no idea what color you are, and I know your ignorant.

 

[RosieS]

What would be t he cost savings of free contraceptives readily available at every public housing project except for those restricted to age 55+ ?

Regards from Rosie

 

[jknowgood]

What would be t he cost savings of free contraceptives readily available at every public housing project except for those restricted to age 55+ ?

Regards from Rosie

You can offer them free birth control, but you can't make them take it.

 

[Katzndogz]

Found this in yesterday's TBT...

Givers and takers

On Saturday we were treated to a story about a single mother of four with another baby on the way who was complaining about the state of her Tarpon Springs public housing. The Sunday Times followed up with a story about babies born to drug-addicted mothers, one of whom had already had three children removed from her custody yet was pregnant with another. The costs of both these situations is incalculable given the myriad of public programs it takes to support and care for these individuals. To make matters worse, we see that the program for tutoring the "poor" is riddled with fraud and waste yet nothing is done about it.

I challenge the Times to add up the dollar value of all these programs provided for these individuals. Let us see how much a working person would have to earn to maintain the lifestyle of the takers. Please include Medicaid, cash welfare benefits, food stamps, SSI, free school lunches, tutoring, free child care, Section 8 housing, etc. Then tell us if the growing number of these takers or babymakers is 47 percent or more. We all know why they voted the way they did.

Helen Richard, Clearwater

Wow, not hard to start thinking racism when you come across such a rant. But once you start thinking about the costs - all the costs - that others with nothing whatsoever to do with such situations have to pay for with our tax dollars, year after growing year, it's pretty easy to get pissed off at those who perpetuate such irresponsible behavior. Because they can neither keep their zippers up, nor knees together, the rest of us become the ongoing victims of their out-of-control lifestyles.

Hope the Times takes Helen up on her challenge. Nothing wrong with letting folks know what the takers are costing everyone else.

Where do you see racism? I don't see any reference to race. Am I missing it?

 

[Ernie S.]

What would be t he cost savings of free contraceptives readily available at every public housing project except for those restricted to age 55+ ?

Regards from Rosie

Likely no savings at all. some bureaucrat will make a profit off of it, though.

 

[hazlnut]

Found this in yesterday's TBT...

Givers and takers

On Saturday we were treated to a story about a single mother of four with another baby on the way who was complaining about the state of her Tarpon Springs public housing. The Sunday Times followed up with a story about babies born to drug-addicted mothers, one of whom had already had three children removed from her custody yet was pregnant with another. The costs of both these situations is incalculable given the myriad of public programs it takes to support and care for these individuals. To make matters worse, we see that the program for tutoring the "poor" is riddled with fraud and waste yet nothing is done about it.

I challenge the Times to add up the dollar value of all these programs provided for these individuals. Let us see how much a working person would have to earn to maintain the lifestyle of the takers. Please include Medicaid, cash welfare benefits, food stamps, SSI, free school lunches, tutoring, free child care, Section 8 housing, etc. Then tell us if the growing number of these takers or babymakers is 47 percent or more. We all know why they voted the way they did.

Helen Richard, Clearwater

Wow, not hard to start thinking racism when you come across such a rant. But once you start thinking about the costs - all the costs - that others with nothing whatsoever to do with such situations have to pay for with our tax dollars, year after growing year, it's pretty easy to get pissed off at those who perpetuate such irresponsible behavior. Because they can neither keep their zippers up, nor knees together, the rest of us become the ongoing victims of their out-of-control lifestyles.

Hope the Times takes Helen up on her challenge. Nothing wrong with letting folks know what the takers are costing everyone else.

Did the author propose a solution or was he just bitching for the sake of it?

No, he issued a challenge to a newspaper who should have the resources to compile the cost to the tax payers of keeping these baby factories fed and housed.
You know... he/she asked the TBT to do its job.

I would love to see the cost of keeping the "baby factories" fed and housed.

They do another analysis of how little it costs for an abortion--compared to the cost of providing for a welfare child from birth - 18.

 

[Grandma]

Funny the kids' dads have no responsibility in the matter. Aren't they the ones that created the little "fuck trophies"? Maybe the kids should go to the dads.

 

[Ernie S.]

Funny the kids' dads have no responsibility in the matter. Aren't they the ones that created the little "fuck trophies"? Maybe the kids should go to the dads.

Well, there ya go. Any person applying for welfare benefits for a child should be required to provide the name of the father or a case # for the rape before collecting a dime.

 

[Ernie S.]

Did the author propose a solution or was he just bitching for the sake of it?

No, he issued a challenge to a newspaper who should have the resources to compile the cost to the tax payers of keeping these baby factories fed and housed.
You know... he/she asked the TBT to do its job.

I would love to see the cost of keeping the "baby factories" fed and housed.

They do another analysis of how little it costs for an abortion--compared to the cost of providing for a welfare child from birth - 18.

So you want me to pay for your abortions, but you refuse to buy me a Glock? B b but, I have the RIGHT to keep and bare arms!

 

[blastoff]

Found this in yesterday's TBT...

Givers and takers

On Saturday we were treated to a story about a single mother of four with another baby on the way who was complaining about the state of her Tarpon Springs public housing. The Sunday Times followed up with a story about babies born to drug-addicted mothers, one of whom had already had three children removed from her custody yet was pregnant with another. The costs of both these situations is incalculable given the myriad of public programs it takes to support and care for these individuals. To make matters worse, we see that the program for tutoring the "poor" is riddled with fraud and waste yet nothing is done about it.

I challenge the Times to add up the dollar value of all these programs provided for these individuals. Let us see how much a working person would have to earn to maintain the lifestyle of the takers. Please include Medicaid, cash welfare benefits, food stamps, SSI, free school lunches, tutoring, free child care, Section 8 housing, etc. Then tell us if the growing number of these takers or babymakers is 47 percent or more. We all know why they voted the way they did.

Helen Richard, Clearwater

Wow, not hard to start thinking racism when you come across such a rant. But once you start thinking about the costs - all the costs - that others with nothing whatsoever to do with such situations have to pay for with our tax dollars, year after growing year, it's pretty easy to get pissed off at those who perpetuate such irresponsible behavior. Because they can neither keep their zippers up, nor knees together, the rest of us become the ongoing victims of their out-of-control lifestyles.

Hope the Times takes Helen up on her challenge. Nothing wrong with letting folks know what the takers are costing everyone else.

How could you possibly equate "racism" with this letter to the TBT? I see NOTHING in this letter that indicates the singling out of a particular race.

All I see is a lady who wants to know what the hell our tax money is being spent on, and how much of our tax money is being WASTED or otherwise being "misused".

You false assumption that Helen Richard is playing the "race card" tells me that YOU are the one who is injecting race into this discussion, by ASSUMING that the mothers mentioned are minorities.

Your assessment would be correct IF I did not have knowledge of a lot of the Tampa - St. Pete area's various towns, their demographics and whatnot, or had I had not read one of the TBT stories quoted in Ms. Richard's letter, along with a pic of the single black mother currently pregnant with child # 5. That's not ASSUMING anything! Because I read the TBT almost daily, I recalled immediately the mother whom Richards was referring to in her letter, that she was black and had several kids and no mention of any further participation by any daddy sperm donors.

Here's the happy Tarpon Srings baby factory...Tarpon Springs will try Obama plan to revamp public housing | Tampa Bay Times

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Welfare basically pays an additional $50 per child.

There's not much profit in that.

As far as orphanges are concerned, are you aware of the definition of an orphan?

Yeah.... it's what they would be after the gov takes away the ho's rights to her kids.
So three hundred extra a month on top of what she already gets isnt much?
Especially when you consider how little of it actually gets spent on the child.

Lots of macho talk, but very little substance.

Plenty substance. You just choose to ignore it.

 

[Oldguy]

Found this in yesterday's TBT...

Givers and takers

On Saturday we were treated to a story about a single mother of four with another baby on the way who was complaining about the state of her Tarpon Springs public housing. The Sunday Times followed up with a story about babies born to drug-addicted mothers, one of whom had already had three children removed from her custody yet was pregnant with another. The costs of both these situations is incalculable given the myriad of public programs it takes to support and care for these individuals. To make matters worse, we see that the program for tutoring the "poor" is riddled with fraud and waste yet nothing is done about it.

I challenge the Times to add up the dollar value of all these programs provided for these individuals. Let us see how much a working person would have to earn to maintain the lifestyle of the takers. Please include Medicaid, cash welfare benefits, food stamps, SSI, free school lunches, tutoring, free child care, Section 8 housing, etc. Then tell us if the growing number of these takers or babymakers is 47 percent or more. We all know why they voted the way they did.

Helen Richard, Clearwater

Wow, not hard to start thinking racism when you come across such a rant. But once you start thinking about the costs - all the costs - that others with nothing whatsoever to do with such situations have to pay for with our tax dollars, year after growing year, it's pretty easy to get pissed off at those who perpetuate such irresponsible behavior. Because they can neither keep their zippers up, nor knees together, the rest of us become the ongoing victims of their out-of-control lifestyles.

Hope the Times takes Helen up on her challenge. Nothing wrong with letting folks know what the takers are costing everyone else.

I wonder what's the cost of not helping them at all? You know, like the cost of "free" healthcare at the emergency room or, lacking that, the cost of an indigent burial? Or, the cost of incarcerating those kids because they never got an eduction and couldn't make a living? Or, the cost of policing them for a lifetime? Or, the cost of dealing with communicable diseases like the flu spread by them because they couldn't afford healthcare? Or, the cost of repeated jailings for panhandling or sleeping on the streets or using library bathrooms etc, etc, etc.

The point is that there's also costs associated with ignoring them.

A PERFECT case study for what you propose would be to tabulate the costs incurred by the cities that allowed the Occupy Wall Street vagrants to sleep in their streets and use public services.

Not a bad comparison. And, it cost the cities millions upon millions, not even factoring in the lost business because of all the deadbeats hanging around.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What would be t he cost savings of free contraceptives readily available at every public housing project except for those restricted to age 55+ ?

Regards from Rosie

I would be all for that.Hell,supply them with a morning after pill. The problem is they wouldnt use it.
The only way to stop this kind of crap is to get rid of the financial benefit they get from having more kids.
And the only way to do that would be to remove the child from the home(if it's deemed unsuitable)and placing them in foster care or an orphanage thus stopping the financial gain.

 

[Rozman]

letting pregnant women starve in the street is the republican plan

Democrats encourage women to have as many babies as possible....
They are the lifeblood of the Democrat party.
Look at all those future votes for Democrat candidates.

 

[Oldguy]

letting pregnant women starve in the street is the republican plan

Democrats encourage women to have as many babies as possible....
They are the lifeblood of the Democrat party.
Look at all those future votes for Democrat candidates.

Since the GOP is appealing to a rapidly diminishing base, maybe they oughta do that too.

 

[Occamstazer]

How exactly is it a newspaper's job to compile statistics like this?

The media has built cases against Ford Pinto and George Bush out of nothing in the name of investigative journalism. Why not try going for truth, for once?
Come on now! You and I both know why the Tampa Bay Tribune won't take up the challenge. I mean if Watergate happened in the obama White House, it would have been lost on the police blotter, Section C page 11.

Journalists can investigate what they want to investigate. It's not their job to do the bidding of every person who writes a letter to the editor.

Correct. And besides, journalists know rhetoric when they see it. The letter writer wasn't asking for truth, she was making a point. Any fool can see that.