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WE need a history of who was in charge, methinks:

Ruby Ridge, Randy Weaver illegal gunrunner and anti-governmentalist in Idaho, location of an incident in August 1992 in which Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agents and U.S. marshals engaged in an 11-day standoff with self-proclaimed white separatist Randy Weaver, his family, and a friend named Kevin Harris in an isolated cabin in Boundary county, Idaho. Weaver’s wife, Vicki, his 14-year-old son, Sammy, and U.S. Marshal William Degan were killed during the siege.Randy Weaver, a former U.S. Army engineer, moved with his family in 1983 to a cabin he built on Ruby Ridge, about 40 miles (65 km) from the Canadian border. Harris often stayed with the family in the cabin for extended periods of time. Weaver’s troubles with the U.S. federal government began when he attended several meetings of the Aryan Nations, a white supremacist group, at its compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho, in the late 1980s. Weaver was not a member of the Aryan Nations, but he shared the group’s white supremacist and antigovernment views. At one of the meetings, Weaver befriended an informant of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), who purchased two illegal sawed-off shotguns from Weaver in October 1989.​
In 1992, the President was Republican President George H.W. Bush.

Waco, the Branch Davidians. On February 28, 1993, in response to reports that the Davidians had been stockpiling illegal weapons at their compound, the Mount Carmel Center, in preparation for the end of the world, Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents raided the property. Their goal: to search the premises and arrest Koresh for unlawful weapons possession. But the plan went south fast, with four federal agents and six Branch Davidians dying in a chaotic shootout. It’s still not clear who fired the first shot. The FBI then became embroiled in a 51-day standoff with Koresh at the compound. During this time, negotiators arranged for the release of 35 Branch Davidians, including 21 children. But on April 19, 1993, in an attempt to lure Koresh and his followers out, agents took decisive action that critics later called extreme or unwarranted: They rammed the building with tanks and launched a tear-gas assault. The structure caught fire (the cause of the fire is still debated), and 76 Branch Davidians—which included 28 children—died in the flames. Sometime during the fire, Koresh, then 33, died of a gunshot wound to the head. It remains unknown whether he killed himself or was shot by someone else. But that’s not the only unanswered question when it comes to the infamous siege.​
In 1993, the President was Democrat President Bill Clinton.

The buck stops at the door of both parties, with an out-of-control FBI.
Absoluetly.

Randy Weaker went to trial and the fucking pieces of shit FBI couldn't even put together enough evidence against him to get him convicted. In fact he was awarded a multi million dollar settlement against the fucking government.

The pathetic thing about Waco is that the children didn't have to die. Koresh had agreed through a lawyer to surrender. He had two stipulations. First that he be given enough time to finish his manifesto. The filthy government thugs agreed to that. The second requirement was that he surrender to Texas Rangers because he wanted the crime scene preserved. The crime scene that clearly showed the ATF thugs fired first first through the door. That was unacceptable to the filthy Feds and that it why they attacked the complex with a friggin tank and burned the place down.

The government thugs claimed Koresh was in violation of paying that $200 NFA tax and that was the reason they stormed the compound but they never produce the first piece of evidence, even after recovering the firearms after the fire.

Our Federal government is out of control and the FBI and other armed government agencies do not serve the people any more,
 

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Randy Weaver was a Neo-Nazi who was stockpiling weapons. Randy shot a federal marshall before the incident where his wife was shot.

The only mistake they made at Ruby Ridge was not double-tapping the Nazis.



And now you are going full crazy town, defending pedophile cultists.

Totally wrong.
There is no evidence Randy Weaver was a "Neo-Nazi".
He went to 2 meetings, but most likely to drum up business, since his profession was a gun smith.
And it was the federal marshals who shot first.
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During the USMS reconnoiter of the Weaver property, six U.S. Marshals encountered Harris and Weaver's 14-year-old son, Sammy, in woods near the family cabin. A shootout took place. Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan, Sammy Weaver, and the Weavers' dog, Striker, all died as a result. In the subsequent siege of the Weaver residence, led by the FBI, Weaver's wife Vicki was killed by FBI sniper fire.
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It was plain and simple murder.
The reconnoiter team were wearing cammo, did not identify themselves, and shot first.

And whether or not David Koresh should have been arrested for child abuse, the point is the FBI deliberately murdered all the children in bomb shelter. They could not have died from the fire or propane tank explosion.
 

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Nobody messes with Dan Bongino. If they should mess with him, it is at their own peril, because he is smarter than criminals in general, and only a criminal trying to hide bad deeds that they did would object to such an honest man as he is. He doesn't think much of those participating in the decimation of the United States Constitution. The USA has covid policies, and Bongino is the cure for that fol-de-rol.

He's an idiot if he truly believes that the DOJ recovering classified documents is a violation of their oath of office and Trump's civil liberties. But he's not an idiot - he's just a narcissistic snake oil salesman taking advantage of others' ignorance and anxieties, just like most other conservative commentator/entertainers.
 

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See Article 1, Section 8.



It is not.

I don't like the war on drugs or mandatory minimum sentencing either, but there's nothing in the Constitution that precludes either.

There is not supposed to be anything in the constitution to preclude anything, because by default, with the 9th and 10th amendment, anything not specifically granted federal authority by the constitution is absolutely denied federal jurisdiction.

Here is Article 1, Section 8, and absolutely no authority for any drug law at all.

{...

Article I - The Legislative Branch​

Section 8​

  • Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
  • Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
  • Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
  • Clause 4: To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
  • Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
  • Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
  • Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
  • Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

  • Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
  • Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
  • Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
  • Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
  • Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;
  • Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
  • Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
  • Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

  • Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;
  • Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
...}
 

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He's an idiot if he truly believes that the DOJ recovering classified documents is a violation of their oath of office and Trump's civil liberties. But he's not an idiot - he's just a narcissistic snake oil salesman taking advantage of others' ignorance and anxieties, just like most other conservative commentator/entertainers.

The DOJ has NO authority at all to take top secret documents from an ex-president who possesses them legally.
It is the DOJ who can not look at top secret document.
Only a president or ex-president can.
 

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The DOJ has NO authority at all to take top secret documents from an ex-president who possesses them legally.
It is the DOJ who can not look at top secret document.
Only a president or ex-president can.

No, you're just way wrong on this. There's no statute or anything in the Constitution that protects the ex-president in this case. The Espionage Act basically punishes anyone under the Act for mishandling that information and the Presidential Records Act also governs the custody of Presidential Records. He can't just keep that shit by his bedside.
 

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There is not supposed to be anything in the constitution to preclude anything, because by default, with the 9th and 10th amendment, anything not specifically granted federal authority by the constitution is absolutely denied federal jurisdiction.

Here is Article 1, Section 8, and absolutely no authority for any drug law at all.

{...

Article I - The Legislative Branch​

Section 8​

  • Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
  • Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
  • Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
  • Clause 4: To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
  • Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
  • Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
  • Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
  • Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

  • Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
  • Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
  • Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
  • Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
  • Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;
  • Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
  • Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
  • Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

  • Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;
  • Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
...}

Read clause 3 closely.
 

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The FBI has always been criminal and out of control since J. Edgar Hoover.

Randy Weaver used to be sheriff and was a respected community member.
He did NOTHING remotely illegal.
He did NOT sell sawed off shotguns.
An ATF agent bought in 2 shotgun barrels and asked Randy to cut then off a quarter inch shorter than the federal 18" limit. That is NOT illegal since many people put a choke on the end of a shotgun barrel, and that would have made a finished shotgun with those barrels, to be perfectly legal.
It was the FBI who shot first for no reason, killing Randy's wife.

David Koresh was NOT stockpiling illegal weapons. He had a class III license, which allowed him to possess and sell full auto rifles, and he was trying to succeed at converting semi auto ARs into full auto. That is perfectly legal. There was no legal basis for the raid on the Waco compound.
And again it was the BATF who shot first for no reason, wounding David Koresh.
The press was illegally kept away, but there are plenty of images of the Waco compound being hit with flamethrowers from the FBI tanks used to utterly destroy the entire compound.
The FBI claimed it was a propane tank that blew up and went through the cement floor and killed all those in the bomb shelter, but that makes no sense. An exploding propane tank would go up, not down.
And the hole in the thick concrete was much more likely created by a shaped charge.
Parents were pressuring officials to stop David Koresh from telling their children to send their parents to Hades for good, because he wasn't crazy about his worshipful apparatchik's mommies and daddies who taught them to respect their mothers and their fathers according to mosaic law that Koresh abhorred when it didn't fit his God-is-me theology. All the other theories about the affair decided to say otherwise. The Congress was reluctant to favor one group over the others, so there were divisive things on both aisles to deal with. Janet Reno took the monkey off all their backs by doubling down on Koresh whom they viewed as Public Enemy Number One. She took a lot of trash when Koresh played the suicide card for his followers.
 

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That is true, but not relevant.
All that matters is if the FBI in this case was legal or not.
And I know the FBI was the criminal in this case, because ex-presidents always retain top secret documents.
If they did not, then they would have to be destroyed, and that would be worse.
Presidents don’t retain top secret documents.
 

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Dan Bongino is a former Secret Service agent who pimped his former job to run for political office, write a book, and become a right wing talk show celeb. He's not exactly a straight dealer.
This age we live in is much different. Bongino is pushed as a total conservative. He is not by Prog accusations. He would be a JFK Democrat that takes no bullshit in political positions back in the early 1960's. The commentators know this.
 

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I'm quite sure the true patriots within the FBI who dedicate their lives to service of this great country would love to get rid of the partisan corruption that mocks and breaks the very laws the FBI is supposed to enforce.

As for the Dept of 'Justice' they need a new name, because clearly the 'Justice' part has become laughable.
I wonder how many “true patriots” are still in the FBI. I tend to think most have been weeded out long ago.
 

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This age we live in is much different. Bongino is pushed as a total conservative. He is not by Prog accusations. He would be a JFK Democrat that takes no bullshit in political positions back in the early 1960's. The commentators know this.
Bongino doesn’t have a political ideology beyond defending Trump.
 
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You’re as dumb as fuck. Christ.
You believe the Democrat Party is the supreme ruler of the universe because you are an admirer of their gross antics of slipping our freedoms a Mickey. You're imperiling yourself by using the F word on the same line as you used Christ's name in vain. I wouldn't be you on judgment day for the world.
 

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For over a decade, under Mueller, Comey, and Wray, the FBI betrayed the nation and Americans by violaring the Patriot Act, violating the Constitution, Defrauding the FISA Court, breaking laws, illegally spying on Americans, a President, and his team.

Every time they got caught, they swore to fix the problem, and they went back to doing it again.

No one has been punished, a proven criminal still runs the FBI as its Director, the FBI is still refusing to comply with a lawful Presidential order, the FBI is still refusing to comply with FOIA requests regarding Crossfire Hurricane, is still hiding Hunter Biden's laptop, indeed is still protecting the Biden family ....

...so you can NOT say the FBI has been reformed, is no longer a criminal agency, and is no longer a threat to this nation and is people.

The FBI warned Obama that Hillary was going to push a fake scandal, conducted its own internal investigation, found nothing (according to FBI Agent Paige under oath), yet the FBI - knowing there was nothing to the Russian Collusion story - still participated in Hillary's & Obama's failed Russian Collusion coup attempt.

There are many, many more examples of FBI crimes against the country and US citizens, but those listed above are all you need to know / prove the FBI is a rogue, seditious, treasonous criminal organization.

And in regards to Wray's BS PR speech in which he claims the integrity and honesty of the FBI is beyond reproach - HE CAN GO F* HIMSELF!

He is a liar and a criminal, & the FBI has no one to blame but themselves for a majority of Americans having little to no faith / trust in the FBI.
 
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Bongino doesn’t have a political ideology beyond defending Trump.
He was there to defend Bill and Hillary Clinton when he was a government employee. I'd call him a very balanced man when the Democrats are spending money at warp speed that they have no intention of paying for. Not any! They print money because they are imbeciles in fiduciary issues. They're creating a bubble that will pop, and they're hoping it's AFTER the election that pop!! goes their silly, obfuscating weasel. :cranky:
 

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Randy Weaver was a Neo-Nazi who was stockpiling weapons. Randy shot a federal marshall before the incident where his wife was shot.

The only mistake they made at Ruby Ridge was not double-tapping the Nazis.



And now you are going full crazy town, defending pedophile cultists.


First of all, you stupid Moon Bat, there is no evidence that Weaver was a "Neo Nazi". Ziltch. Besides, it is not against the law to be a Neo Nazi just like it is not against the law to be a filthy ass BLM Leftest assholes like we saw for six months burnng down the US and murdering over three dozen people.

Weaver went to trial and was found innocent of any wrong doing and in fact was awarded a multi million dollar settlement against the Federal government. How does it feel Moon Bat? Your tax money went to pay off the injustice done against Weaver by the filthy Federal goverrnment. Do you even pay taxes? Most you Moon Bats don't.

The cultist in this country that we need to worry about are you filthy ass crazy destructive Leftest that are destroying our country to make it the Socialist shithole you desire so much. You steal elections from the American people, spend six months destroying over 200 American cities, attempting a coup against a duly elected American President with dishonesty, sell out to foreign interest every chance you can, allow millions of Illegals to invade our country and piss on the Bill of Rights every chance you get to further your Socialist agenda. That is what Leftest Revolutionists do.

Weaver is not the enemy. You stupid uneducated greedy Moon Bats are. You are the ones that are a threat to this country, not veteran Patriots like Randy Weaver just trying to live peacefully on a remote mountain top.
 

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He was there to defend Bill and Hillary Clinton when he was a government employee. I'd call him a very balanced man when the Democrats are spending money at warp speed that they have no intention of paying for. Not any! They print money because they are imbeciles in fiduciary issues. They're creating a bubble that will pop, and they're hoping it's AFTER the election that pop!! goes their silly, obfuscating weasel. :cranky:
He wasnt part of the presidential detail until Obama and left the secret service to run for Senate as a Republican.

His books are all right wing pulp. He has no balance. He has no career outside right wing media which requires him to be loud and outrageous to get attention.
 
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He wasnt part of the presidential detail until Obama and left the secret service to run for Senate as a Republican.

His books are all right wing pulp. He has no balance. He has no career outside right wing media which requires him to be loud and outrageous to get attention.
I thought I heard otherwise.
 

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I thought I heard otherwise.
He used his secret service position to write a book and get fame. It’s not exactly a good look.

He’s an Obama hater but love Trump. He’s a total opportunist.
 

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