Lets replace the ACA with Universal healthcare!!!

Fine, but now we need to deal with the cost side of the equation, which was a primary pitfall of obamacare.

Big pharma, insurance companies, doctors and others going to the bank on the current system, along with their lobbyists, ain't gonna go peacefully.

If we can't figure that out then we haven't figured anything out in terms of how to realistically get everyone insured....
You want the doctors out of health care?


I did not say that. what is clear to me is that this failed, and i think it is a failure at this point, in part because the cost side of the equation was not adequately addressed, if it was addressed at all.

Pharma got a deal, insurance companies got a deal and, yes, doctors got a deal to get their support.
 
Lets replace the ACA with Universal healthcare! Everyone deserves never to have to suffer without healthcare and worry about having their lives destroyed by the debt.

It is the moral choice and it is right. Anyone that calls themselves christian should agree with me.
Universal Health Care: Cheaper and Better | The Agonist
The fastest way to fix our debt problem is to go from corporate healthcare to universal.


What an incredibly stupid proposal.

No thank you.

Why is it stupid?


It's doubling down on what has caused ObamaCare to be such an epic failure in the first place: Centralized Planning.

It didn't work for the Soviet Union. It's not going to work for the U.S.

But works in the UK.... go figure.
It really doesn't work in the UK. People are pulling their own teeth in the UK. Even getting into a hospital won't get you care. Patients were going so thirsty that they were drinking water from flower vases. Doctors had to prescribe water.
Anecdotal crap. It works a lot better than the US system which relies on your ability to pay.
 
Whole system should be an opt in, if you want nothing to do with it no one should force you into it. Fuck universal healthcare
 
Lets replace the ACA with Universal healthcare! Everyone deserves never to have to suffer without healthcare and worry about having their lives destroyed by the debt.
It is the moral choice and it is right. Anyone that calls themselves christian should agree with me.
Imposing Christian morality on others violates the constitution.
 
Lets replace the ACA with Universal healthcare! Everyone deserves never to have to suffer without healthcare and worry about having their lives destroyed by the debt.

It is the moral choice and it is right. Anyone that calls themselves christian should agree with me.
Universal Health Care: Cheaper and Better | The Agonist
The fastest way to fix our debt problem is to go from corporate healthcare to universal.


What an incredibly stupid proposal.

No thank you.

Why is it stupid?


It's doubling down on what has caused ObamaCare to be such an epic failure in the first place: Centralized Planning.

It didn't work for the Soviet Union. It's not going to work for the U.S.

But works in the UK.... go figure.
It really doesn't work in the UK. People are pulling their own teeth in the UK. Even getting into a hospital won't get you care. Patients were going so thirsty that they were drinking water from flower vases. Doctors had to prescribe water.

Er.... yeah, let's make up loads of scare stories.

Well actually, it's getting worse, but getting worse since 2010, guess what happened in 2010! Yeah, the right wing govt took over and are trying to run it down (again) in order to show people "it doesn't work" so they can replace it with a system that pays out loads of profits.

But it did work, and it worked well and much cheaper than the US system.
 
What an incredibly stupid proposal.

No thank you.

Why is it stupid?


It's doubling down on what has caused ObamaCare to be such an epic failure in the first place: Centralized Planning.

It didn't work for the Soviet Union. It's not going to work for the U.S.

But works in the UK.... go figure.
It really doesn't work in the UK. People are pulling their own teeth in the UK. Even getting into a hospital won't get you care. Patients were going so thirsty that they were drinking water from flower vases. Doctors had to prescribe water.

Er.... yeah, let's make up loads of scare stories.

Well actually, it's getting worse, but getting worse since 2010, guess what happened in 2010! Yeah, the right wing govt took over and are trying to run it down (again) in order to show people "it doesn't work" so they can replace it with a system that pays out loads of profits.

But it did work, and it worked well and much cheaper than the US system.
We just had an election, no one wants universal healthcare forced on the country. Keep it if you want leave the rest of us out of it…
 
One pound this year isn't worth one pound last year. So....

And a lot of that is due to added income without added value.

Explain what your point is here.

Inflation is simply the loss of buying power of a currency. It's primary engine is increases in costs without corresponding increases in productivity or efficiency.

So if you give a raise to a worker without receiving any tangible benefit, you have to increase costs for the same work. When enough products or services have this occur, the workers pay is now insufficient, and they need another raise, which increases costs....

This is baseline inflation, it doesn't explain inflation say due to increases in currency circulation, or hyperinflation caused by economic collapse.

Yes, and what is your point here?

The reality is that the NHS does cost more every year because of inflation. But is currently losing money in real terms.

The point is explaining inflation.

and is the NHS cost increases due to inflation, due to increased overhead, or increased patient load?

But in real terms it doesn't cost less. So... I'm struggling to see where you're going with this.
 
Lets replace the ACA with Universal healthcare! Everyone deserves never to have to suffer without healthcare and worry about having their lives destroyed by the debt.

It is the moral choice and it is right. Anyone that calls themselves christian should agree with me.
Universal Health Care: Cheaper and Better | The Agonist
First, public health is cheaper. The Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development studied the health expenses of all member countries – 29 in all including the United States. The median amount of GDP spent on health care of 29 countries has fluctuated between 7.9 and 8.4 for 2000-2003. For 2000-2003, US health expense as a percentage of GDP was 13.1%, 13.8%, 14.6% and 15% respectively – by far the highest total of all countries. Germany was the next most expensive country and their totals for the same years (2000-2003) were 10.6%, 10.8%, 10.9%, 11.1%, respectively. So, as a percentage of GDP basis, the US spends between 34% and 75% more as a percentage of GDP than countries that rely primarily on public funds to provide health service.

The OECD also breaks health expenses down into amount spent per capita. For the last four years (2000-2003), the median per capital expense for 29 OECD countries ranged from $2010 to 2248. Over the same years, the US once again spent more than any other OECD country, with figures for 2000-2003 of $4539, $4888, $5287 and $5635. Over the same time, Switzerland ranked second in per capita expenditures and Germany third. It’s important to notice that the US’s private health care system routinely spends at least twice as much per person than other countries with public health systems.

The fastest way to fix our debt problem is to go from corporate healthcare to universal.


What an incredibly stupid proposal.

No thank you.

Why is it stupid?


It's doubling down on what has caused ObamaCare to be such an epic failure in the first place: Centralized Planning.

It didn't work for the Soviet Union. It's not going to work for the U.S.

But works in the UK.... go figure.


Uh...not really. It's more like our appallingly incompetent VA system in terms of excessive delays and unnecessary deaths.
 
Lets replace the ACA with Universal healthcare! Everyone deserves never to have to suffer without healthcare and worry about having their lives destroyed by the debt.

It is the moral choice and it is right. Anyone that calls themselves christian should agree with me.
Universal Health Care: Cheaper and Better | The Agonist
The fastest way to fix our debt problem is to go from corporate healthcare to universal.


What an incredibly stupid proposal.

No thank you.

Why is it stupid?


It's doubling down on what has caused ObamaCare to be such an epic failure in the first place: Centralized Planning.

It didn't work for the Soviet Union. It's not going to work for the U.S.

But works in the UK.... go figure.


Uh...not really. It's more like our appallingly incompetent VA system in terms of excessive delays and unnecessary deaths.

I don't see the link between what I said and what you said.
 
Lets replace the ACA with Universal healthcare! Everyone deserves never to have to suffer without healthcare and worry about having their lives destroyed by the debt.

It is the moral choice and it is right. Anyone that calls themselves christian should agree with me.
Universal Health Care: Cheaper and Better | The Agonist
First, public health is cheaper. The Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development studied the health expenses of all member countries – 29 in all including the United States. The median amount of GDP spent on health care of 29 countries has fluctuated between 7.9 and 8.4 for 2000-2003. For 2000-2003, US health expense as a percentage of GDP was 13.1%, 13.8%, 14.6% and 15% respectively – by far the highest total of all countries. Germany was the next most expensive country and their totals for the same years (2000-2003) were 10.6%, 10.8%, 10.9%, 11.1%, respectively. So, as a percentage of GDP basis, the US spends between 34% and 75% more as a percentage of GDP than countries that rely primarily on public funds to provide health service.

The OECD also breaks health expenses down into amount spent per capita. For the last four years (2000-2003), the median per capital expense for 29 OECD countries ranged from $2010 to 2248. Over the same years, the US once again spent more than any other OECD country, with figures for 2000-2003 of $4539, $4888, $5287 and $5635. Over the same time, Switzerland ranked second in per capita expenditures and Germany third. It’s important to notice that the US’s private health care system routinely spends at least twice as much per person than other countries with public health systems.

The fastest way to fix our debt problem is to go from corporate healthcare to universal.

If the Repug Party was smart enough to do that, they would never lose another election.
 

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