Let's Eliminate Government-Mandated Handicapped Parking Spots.

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In 2025, America is faced with such an erosion of liberties that many of us are numb to it. It's just expected, and it's imbedded in so many subtle ways.

Today, I'm going to focus on one of my pet peeves that I am sure many of you will disagree with me on, conservatives included: Handicapped parking spaces.

Ten years ago this summer, I had a torn quadriceps tendon, had major surgery and was in a cast for six weeks. I borrowed a walker from a neighbor. There was a point when no one was home, and I had to go to Walmart to buy groceries. All the close by parking spots were taken, except for the 20 or so handicapped spots of which about five were occupied. As you know, handicapped spots are the premium locations always closest to the door. So I began my slow trek about 200 feet from the entrance. As I neared the empty handicapped spots, a van pulled into one of them and out waddled a 300-pound woman. I don't know what her disability was, but the main one appeared to be that she was morbidly obese. She was walking without assistance, so I would assume if she were to drop 150 or so pounds, she could walk normally and not need a special spot. The only requirement for getting approval for handicapped parking is for a health care professional to sign off. Doesn't have to be a doctor. A nurse practitioner will do. And there doesn't have to be a specific condition; only the determination that one has difficulty walking normally. So this could be most anybody who wants one. I am told these things are relatively easy to come by.

A business must have 2% of spaces solely for handicapped parking. For a small business, any number under 20, must be for the handicapped; again the prime spot. My beef is that this spot is usually available, and 98% of the population is inconvenienced at all times to accommodate the possibility that less than 2% might use a spot. For a business like Walmart or Lowe's that has upwards of 1000 parking spots, at least 20 front-and-center spots have to be available. Usually fewer than half are filled. This inconveniences everybody else. I sure could have used one of those spots that day I was in a cast with my walker.

This madness started in 1973 with the Rehabilition Act which guaranteed rights for the Disabled. While the act didn't mandate parking spaces, it set the table for the American Disabilities Act of 1990 which ushered in the familiar guy-in-a-wheelchair blue icon where the rules were standardized.

My thoughts? This is just another unfunded mandate that businesses are expected to eat. The decision should be left up to the business. If they think a spot should be left open, leave it open. If not, don't have a handicapped spot. If people complain, it's on the business to decide. It also depends on the type of business. Hospitals and doctors' offices could choose to have them. Athletic speed performance centers may decide they don't need them. Right now, no one is encouraged by our laws or government health care system to be healthy. America is increasingly obese, and we must not fat shame people. In fact, we are told by the left we must celebrate people's obesity. "It's who they are". There are no incentives for being fit. No incentives to walk. But if we were to mandate spots, let's restrict eligibility and make it tougher. Being a 40-year-old fatass should not be enough.

But if we must have mandated handicapped parking, let's do it more intelligently. Lowe's shouldn't have 15 open prime real estate spots on a crowded business day. Have 15-minute parking. Or open those spaces for everyone between, 6 pm and 8 am. Or if there are say, eight parking spots, let the end spot be for the handicapped; not the one right in front (which requires another adjacent space for loading and unloading).

It's all part of the softening of society. What did people do before 1974? They worked it out. They went when it wasn't busy. They got dropped off. Someone went in for them. They did what they could to become ambulatory again. Or businesses decided for themselves. Forced mandates are not compassion. True disabilities are unfortunate, but you don't make everyone else move heaven and earth to accommodate. Government needs to get the hell out. It's none of their business.

 
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In 2025, America is faced with such an erosion of liberties that many of us are numb to it. It's just expected, and it's imbedded in so many subtle ways.

Today, I'm going to focus on one of my pet peeves that I am sure many of you will disagree with me on, conservatives included: Handicapped parking spaces.

Ten years ago this summer, I had a torn quadriceps tendon, had major surgery and was in a cast for six weeks. I borrowed a walker from a neighbor. There was a point when no one was home, and I had to go to Walmart to buy groceries. All the close by parking spots were taken, except for the 20 or so handicapped spots of which about five were occupied. As you know, handicapped spots are the premium locations always closest to the door. So I began my slow trek about 200 feet from the entrance. As I neared the empty handicapped spots, a van pulled into one of them and out waddled a 300-pound woman. I don't know what her disability was, but the main one appeared to be that she was morbidly obese. She was walking without assistance, so I would assume if she were to drop 150 or so pounds, she could walk normally and not need a special spot. The only requirement for getting approval for handicapped parking is for a health care professional to sign off. Doesn't have to be a doctor. A nurse practitioner will do. And there doesn't have to be a specific condition; only the determination that one has difficulty walking normally. So this could be most anybody who wants one. I am told these things are relatively easy to come by.

A business must have 2% of spaces solely for handicapped parking. For a small business, any number under 20, must be for the handicapped; again the prime spot. My beef is that this spot is usually available, and 98% of the population is inconvenienced at all times to accommodate the possibility that less than 2% might use a spot. For a business like Walmart or Lowe's that has upwards of 1000 parking spots, at least 20 front-and-center spots have to be available. Usually fewer than half are filled. This inconveniences everybody else. I sure could have used one of those spots that day I was in a cast with my walker.

This madness started in 1973 with the Rehabilition Act which guaranteed rights for the Disabled. While the act didn't mandate parking spaces, it set the table for the American Disabilities Act of 1990 which ushered in the familiar guy-in-a-wheelchair blue icon where the rules were standardized.

My thoughts? This is just another unfunded mandate that businesses are expected to eat. The decision should be left up to the business. If they think a spot should be left open, leave it open. If not, don't have a handicapped spot. If people complain, it's on the business to decide. It also depends on the type of business. Hospitals and doctors' offices could choose to have them. Athletic speed performance centers may decide they don't need them. Right now, no one is encouraged by our laws or government health care system to be healthy. America is increasingly obese, and we must not fat shame people. In fact, we are told by the left we must celebrate people's obesity. "It's who they are". There are no incentives for being fit. No incentives to walk. But if we were to mandate spots, let's restrict eligibility and make it tougher. Being a 40-year-old fatass should not be enough.

But if we must have mandated handicapped parking, let's do it more intelligently. Lowe's shouldn't have 15 open prime real estate spots on a crowded business day. Have 15-minute parking. Or open those spaces for everyone between, 6 pm and 8 am. Or if there are say, eight parking spots, let the end spot be for the handicapped; not the one right in front (which requires another adjacent space for loading and unloading).

It's all part of the softening of society. What did people do before 1974? They worked it out. They went when it wasn't busy. They got dropped off. Someone went in for them. They did what they could to become ambulatory again. Or businesses decided for themselves. Forced mandates are not compassion. True disabilities are unfortunate, but you don't make everyone else move heaven and earth to accommodate. Government needs to get the hell out. It's none of their business.

I'm a disabled veteran and I need Handicap Parking. For one thing, I need the wider space to get in and out my vehicle.

Now, somebody will say, "It's okay for Veterans but everybody else..." Then you'll get into a pissing match about why Granny should have Handicap parking, and the kid who got run over by a truck, and the woman suffering from a debilitating disease, then.......

Then you're right back where you started.

Maybe that fat woman that so irritated you looked like Miss America before she got sick or hurt. Maybe she didn't. Who knows? Who cares?

We can have handicap parking or we can have people taking up two spaces at once or parking in front of the entrance and blocking traffic. They will, too.

Fatass New Yawkers down here are known to just stop in front of a Store Entrance, let their FAT ol' ladies out, and sit there and wait for them to come out with a basket full of fatness. They'll also drive in circles for an hour waiting for that one spot they just have to have...... Then block traffic waiting for the idiot in the spot to back out.

You wanna ***** about something, ***** about that. Otherwise, try to be understanding for once in your life. Being handicapped sucks. Being a Disabled, Handicapped Veteran in a Country that doesn't care sucks even worse.

Didn't think about that, did you :dunno:
 
I don't have a problem with handicap parking getting front & center, preferred parking spots. That's ok, many of them need it. So is Walmart's designated military veteran parking spot. That's fine too. I've not seen that in other places, but may also be a thing. And they deserve it as well.


What I do have a problem with and pisses me off to no end.......is the EV charging stations and 'Drive up & go' spots to pick up your online order that Safeway/Albertsons have in their lots. Also front & center of the only access door to the store. The buildings have 2 access doors, that used to be open and available for public use.....but after the plandemic and crime and shoplifting rates skyrocketed, they closed one door.......so half the parking lot sits empty and everyone fights for the remaining spots near the open door.

I will give credit to Walmart for putting their 'Drive up' & EV charging spots on the side of the buildings and out of the way. But they also have a designated parking spot in the front for their security car and the bastard NEVER parks there. Always in another spot that others could use. And don't you dare taking his spot or you'll get fined
 
I don't have a problem with handicap parking getting front & center, preferred parking spots. That's ok, many of them need it. So is Walmart's designated military veteran parking spot. That's fine too. I've not seen that in other places, but may also be a thing. And they deserve it as well.


What I do have a problem with and pisses me off to no end.......is the EV charging stations and 'Drive up & go' spots to pick up your online order that Safeway/Albertsons have in their lots. Also front & center of the only access door to the store. The buildings have 2 access doors, that used to be open and available for public use.....but after the plandemic and crime and shoplifting rates skyrocketed, they closed one door.......so half the parking lot sits empty and everyone fights for the remaining spots near the open door.

I will give credit to Walmart for putting their 'Drive up' & EV charging spots on the side of the buildings and out of the way. But they also have a designated parking spot in the front for their security car and the bastard NEVER parks there. Always in another spot that others could use. And don't you dare taking his spot or you'll get fined
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I agree with getting rid of them, but that's mostly out of principle. A business should be able to decide for itself if it wants to have them rather than having the government force them to have them.

I would extend this to the Freedom of Association as well. The Civil Rights Act should have only applied to the public sector (government facilities) rather than the private sector. The Americans with Disabilities Act is yet another overreach. It may have had the right intentions, but it's better to encourage reforms by private action rather than government action.
 
I'm a disabled veteran and I need Handicap Parking. For one thing, I need the wider space to get in and out my vehicle.

Now, somebody will say, "It's okay for Veterans but everybody else..." Then you'll get into a pissing match about why Granny should have Handicap parking, and the kid who got run over by a truck, and the woman suffering from a debilitating disease, then.......

Then you're right back where you started.

Maybe that fat woman that so irritated you looked like Miss America before she got sick or hurt. Maybe she didn't. Who knows? Who cares?

We can have handicap parking or we can have people taking up two spaces at once or parking in front of the entrance and blocking traffic. They will, too.

Fatass New Yawkers down here are known to just stop in front of a Store Entrance, let their FAT ol' ladies out, and sit there and wait for them to come out with a basket full of fatness. They'll also drive in circles for an hour waiting for that one spot they just have to have...... Then block traffic waiting for the idiot in the spot to back out.

You wanna ***** about something, ***** about that. Otherwise, try to be understanding for once in your life. Being handicapped sucks. Being a Disabled, Handicapped Veteran in a Country that doesn't care sucks even worse.

Didn't think about that, did you :dunno:
Disabled veteran with defined medical conditions, yes. Fatass from eating too many Little Debbies: no.
But in either case, let the business decide how to handle it. And if they make the wrong decision, let them deal with the blowback.
 
First world problems you ***** about, get a ******* hobby.
The sadness is that there are millions and millions of people abusing the disability laws. And a lot of money and benefits is paid out to it. And there is a percentage of those on disability that are self-important. Everything to help people seems to be abused. Look at the service animals people take into public places. They take them on flights, vacations to go into places not allowed and even cruises. A little torture would clean it up.
 
I agree with getting rid of them, but that's mostly out of principle. A business should be able to decide for itself if it wants to have them rather than having the government force them to have them.

I would extend this to the Freedom of Association as well. The Civil Rights Act should have only applied to the public sector (government facilities) rather than the private sector. The Americans with Disabilities Act is yet another overreach. It may have had the right intentions, but it's better to encourage reforms by private action rather than government action.
A Business is a GUEST in our society. They have no Right to exist. They exist because we allow them to exist. Period.

Liberturdians suck ass. I hate Liberturdians almost as much as I HATE dimocrap scum.

People who don't want any goobermint? Move to Port au Prince, you'd love that --

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The sadness is that there are millions and millions of people abusing the disability laws. And a lot of money and benefits is paid out to it. And there is a percentage of those on disability that are self-important. Everything to help people seems to be abused. Look at the service animals people take into public places. They take them on flights, vacations to go into places not allowed and even cruises. A little torture would clean it up.
People...... "People" abuse EVERYTHING. Haven't you heard? People are people. They suck.

Deal with it. Or be like me and move. Or, at least, I'm planning on it soon. If possible.

I moved to SW Florida in 1977. Paradise. Beautiful. Good people and not many of them. Could go anywhere, any time. No traffic, very litle crime and it was dealt with promptly.

Then we got 'discovered. Now, Lee County has over a Million People living in it full time and another million come down for the Winter. I'm over it. I am ******* over it.

I don't regret it. The Wife and I are both certified divers. We've had four boats in our time here.

I'm done with it
 
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A Business is a GUEST in our society. They have no Right to exist. They exist because we allow them to exist. Period.

Liberturdians suck ass. I hate Liberturdians almost as much as I HATE dimocrap scum.

People who don't want any goobermint? Move to Port au Prince, you'd love that --

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Aren't customers guests by that same measure?

While I'm very much in favor of reforming corporate law (since the corporate veil should be much more limited than it currently is), I'm not sure why you're employing this argument about "allowing businesses to exist." I'm not even arguing against all government, nor am I libertarian overall. I just agree with them on certain issues. I hold some views that are conservative, some that are populist, and some that are libertarian.

All I'm saying is that Freedom of Association is part of the First Amendment, and it is being infringed by laws that push the concept of collective rights rather than individual rights. Our nation was built on individual rights for a good reason, since collective rights are largely a fabrication of Marxist thought.
 
There is zero problems with handicap parking. Wow how incredibly weird of a post. Someone actually cares about this? Holy cow has to be a teoll post. Its that funny.
Yeah, the loss of liberty is so endemic, it's easy to dismiss it as "Well, that's the way it's always been".
I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't that way.
 
Yeah, the loss of liberty is so endemic, it's easy to dismiss it as "Well, that's the way it's always been".
I'm old enough to remember when it wasn't that way.
Heck i lived through the god awful 50s. Horrific times.
 
In 2025, America is faced with such an erosion of liberties that many of us are numb to it. It's just expected, and it's imbedded in so many subtle ways.

Today, I'm going to focus on one of my pet peeves that I am sure many of you will disagree with me on, conservatives included: Handicapped parking spaces.

Ten years ago this summer, I had a torn quadriceps tendon, had major surgery and was in a cast for six weeks. I borrowed a walker from a neighbor. There was a point when no one was home, and I had to go to Walmart to buy groceries. All the close by parking spots were taken, except for the 20 or so handicapped spots of which about five were occupied. As you know, handicapped spots are the premium locations always closest to the door. So I began my slow trek about 200 feet from the entrance. As I neared the empty handicapped spots, a van pulled into one of them and out waddled a 300-pound woman. I don't know what her disability was, but the main one appeared to be that she was morbidly obese. She was walking without assistance, so I would assume if she were to drop 150 or so pounds, she could walk normally and not need a special spot. The only requirement for getting approval for handicapped parking is for a health care professional to sign off. Doesn't have to be a doctor. A nurse practitioner will do. And there doesn't have to be a specific condition; only the determination that one has difficulty walking normally. So this could be most anybody who wants one. I am told these things are relatively easy to come by.

A business must have 2% of spaces solely for handicapped parking. For a small business, any number under 20, must be for the handicapped; again the prime spot. My beef is that this spot is usually available, and 98% of the population is inconvenienced at all times to accommodate the possibility that less than 2% might use a spot. For a business like Walmart or Lowe's that has upwards of 1000 parking spots, at least 20 front-and-center spots have to be available. Usually fewer than half are filled. This inconveniences everybody else. I sure could have used one of those spots that day I was in a cast with my walker.

This madness started in 1973 with the Rehabilition Act which guaranteed rights for the Disabled. While the act didn't mandate parking spaces, it set the table for the American Disabilities Act of 1990 which ushered in the familiar guy-in-a-wheelchair blue icon where the rules were standardized.

My thoughts? This is just another unfunded mandate that businesses are expected to eat. The decision should be left up to the business. If they think a spot should be left open, leave it open. If not, don't have a handicapped spot. If people complain, it's on the business to decide. It also depends on the type of business. Hospitals and doctors' offices could choose to have them. Athletic speed performance centers may decide they don't need them. Right now, no one is encouraged by our laws or government health care system to be healthy. America is increasingly obese, and we must not fat shame people. In fact, we are told by the left we must celebrate people's obesity. "It's who they are". There are no incentives for being fit. No incentives to walk. But if we were to mandate spots, let's restrict eligibility and make it tougher. Being a 40-year-old fatass should not be enough.

But if we must have mandated handicapped parking, let's do it more intelligently. Lowe's shouldn't have 15 open prime real estate spots on a crowded business day. Have 15-minute parking. Or open those spaces for everyone between, 6 pm and 8 am. Or if there are say, eight parking spots, let the end spot be for the handicapped; not the one right in front (which requires another adjacent space for loading and unloading).

It's all part of the softening of society. What did people do before 1974? They worked it out. They went when it wasn't busy. They got dropped off. Someone went in for them. They did what they could to become ambulatory again. Or businesses decided for themselves. Forced mandates are not compassion. True disabilities are unfortunate, but you don't make everyone else move heaven and earth to accommodate. Government needs to get the hell out. It's none of their business.

There are a vast number of reasons why people obtain and need handicapped parking permits.

A lot of the reasons cannot even be seen... orthopedic... cardio... respiratory... whatever...


This is Much Ado About Nothing...

Leave 'em alone...
 
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