Let's Drop the Partisan Knee-Jerk Reactions and Look at the Ukraine Negotiations Realistically and Fairly

[sartre play]

PUTIN attacks in less than last fifty years, About 40 plus country's.
Look up the photos of the results.

 

[Zavulon]

Actually, when thinking about it. You do know something.

But here is the thing: you can’t appease Russia. So after all your words the bottom line is that we have to stop Russia. Now.

No. It's Russia can't appease NATO, and have to stop them, now. America can easily afford leaving NATO and solve its inner problem.

 

[JoeB131]

No. It's Russia can't appease NATO, and have to stop them, now. America can easily afford leaving NATO and solve its inner problem.

I know that's Putin's joy, and why he has dirt on Trump.

But no, Americans know better.

 

[Zavulon]

I know that's Putin's joy, and why he has dirt on Trump.

But no, Americans know better.

Most of Americans know less than nothing. Decision-makers are barely more informed.

 

[JoeB131]

Most of Americans know less than nothing. Decision-makers are barely more informed.

You might get Trump to sell out Ukraine, but the reality is, Putin needs Trump to bail him out.

 

[Zavulon]

You might get Trump to sell out Ukraine, but the reality is, Putin needs Trump to bail him out.

Reality is, Trump and Biden are not that different. Actually, they are almost the same. Most of their decision-makers are working for both teams.

 

[JoeB131]

Reality is, Trump and Biden are not that different. Actually, they are almost the same. Most of their decision-makers are working for both teams.

Oh, I think the grown ups will eventually prevail on Trump that selling out Ukraine would be high-treason.

 

[Zavulon]

Oh, I think the grown ups will eventually prevail on Trump that selling out Ukraine would be high-treason.

Oh, you think? Amazing! And now think, one more time, if this is treason - to avoid nuckear war and save millions of American citizens. And, try to think about simple question - why Biden didn't declared war either? May be, he also thought that its not really great idea?

 

[Robert W]

Putin fiercely rejects either option, especially the latter option, as do most average Russians.

Why do we care what Putin wants? Why not care what Ukraine wants instead? Europe backs Ukraine.

 

[Robert W]

Oh, I think the grown ups will eventually prevail on Trump that selling out Ukraine would be high-treason.

Trump can't sell out Ukraine. Americans like me will raise hell and he won't do it.

Trump wants America paid back by ukraine. Now Zelensky wants the same thing.

 

[Robert W]

Oh, you think? Amazing! And now think, one more time, if this is treason - to avoid nuckear war and save millions of American citizens. And, try to think about simple question - why Biden didn't declared war either? May be, he also thought that its not really great idea?

You are making an enormous mistake threatening the US with nuclear bombs!!!!

 

[Zavulon]

Why do we care what Putin wants? Why not care what Ukraine wants instead?

Russia has nukes and Ukraine hasn't.

Europe backs Ukraine.

F#ck them. They are strategic parasites after all.

 

[Zavulon]

You are making an enormous mistake threatening the US with nuclear bombs!!!!

As much as I understand American culture (I don't pretend that I do understand it well) its the only way to make business with Americans. They don't understand anything short of the threat of total annihilation.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh, you think? Amazing! And now think, one more time, if this is treason - to avoid nuckear war and save millions of American citizens. And, try to think about simple question - why Biden didn't declared war either? May be, he also thought that its not really great idea?

No need to declare war.

Just arm the Ukes and give Putin a bloody nose, and he'll think twice about aggression.

Trump can't sell out Ukraine. Americans like me will raise hell and he won't do it.

Trump wants America paid back by ukraine. Now Zelensky wants the same thing.

Nope, Trump wants to sell out Ukraine. He just can't think of a way to do it where people don't start wondering if the Pee Tape is real.

 

[Robert W]

Nope, Trump wants to sell out Ukraine. He just can't think of a way to do it where people don't start wondering if the Pee Tape is real.

How angry did you get when it was Biden selling out Ukraine?

 

[CosmicRocker]

Oh, you think? Amazing! And now think, one more time, if this is treason - to avoid nuckear war and save millions of American citizens. And, try to think about simple question - why Biden didn't declared war either? May be, he also thought that its not really great idea?

why declare war when Biden escalated Ukr as a direct proxy war against Russia? By the time he was leaving, Ukr had ATACMS, and Russia infrastructure was getting damaged. Funding Ukr to proxy war with Russia makes them all warm and fuzzy

 

[CosmicRocker]

Russia’s Wartime Economy isn’t as Weak as it Looks

Russia’s economic resilience is defying expectations, enabling the Kremlin to sustain its war efforts in Ukraine despite mounting challenges, and raising doubts about hopes for a swift resolution.

www.rusi.org

The imposition of capital controls, a surge in federal expenditure, and the successful reorientation of foreign trade at breakneck speed arrested the signs of economic distress observed in the first months of the war.

Although Russia did not avoid a recession in 2022, it was much shallower than expected (GDP fell by only 1.9%) as the economy adapted to its new circumstances. Growth exceeded nearly all expectations in 2023 (3.6%), with this momentum continuing into 2024. Output is likely to have expanded by 3.6–4% last year.

Mounting labour shortages, fuelled by the demands of war, are just one factor that threatens to derail growth. The massive expansion of the military and defence-industrial production has drawn large numbers of men away from the civilian labour force.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The pro-war faction has been increasingly dishonest. EVERY point they make, falls apart the moment you look at it.

THey are reduced to saying the mostly obvoiusly false assertions or claims to try to create for a moment, the illusion of a justification for their position.

Putin and Trump are a certain type of Christian …~… the Republican Party has chosen to follow Putin and Trump …~… the two beasts are Christians

Take a look at America’s Christian Heritage on behalf of the Republican Party under Don Trump if we let that political party stand for America.

The only way to salvage America’s Christian reputation is to dump the Republican Party and the lawless Confederacy of red Christian states upon which it stands.

 

[JoeB131]

How angry did you get when it was Biden selling out Ukraine?

Stop being stupid. Oh, wait, you're a Mormon. You can't stop being stupid.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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No need to declare war.

Just arm the Ukes and give Putin a bloody nose, and he'll think twice about aggression.



Nope, Trump wants to sell out Ukraine. He just can't think of a way to do it where people don't start wondering if the Pee Tape is real.

How angry did you get when it was Biden selling out Ukraine?

Stop being stupid. Oh, wait, you're a Mormon. You can't stop being stupid.

Those Republicans behind Putin’s death march against liberal democracy, are supposed to find and tie to a little sliver of reality before invoking the whuuuuuttaboutism ploy aren’t they?