Let’s assume Trump declares victory then leaves

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Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?
 
Trump put this nation in a no-win situation. If he pulls out and declares victory, Iran will claim victory and they will be stronger than ever as they rebuild; if Trump continues the war, Americans will die for this senseless war and this war will drag on for years. To win this war, it will require at least 500,000 to a 1 million troops. Iran is a nation 1/3 the size of the US with 90 million people. This war was pure idiocy.

The US needs to pull out, let the chips fall where they may and let the rest of the world clean up his mess. US credibility is shot.
 
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Let ISRAEL fight ISRAEL's wars.
 
Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

My take:

Iran has been 2 weeks away forever, and if Trump leaves then nothing really changed. american military people died and for what?

Whose going to pay for rebuilding? everybody, thorught he higher price of oil. OPEC oil, which raises the price for all oil.

Rebuild Gaza? I can see a democrat president doing that, but not a republican. Rebuild Tel Aviv? Not seeing that.

Iran could reach a ceasefire with Israel long enough to replenish their drones and bombs, mines and torpedoes.


When Trump escalated this war, IMHO he seriously underestimated Iran's ability to retaliate. IOW, he didn't think it through. Should I believe he saw all this coming? Nah. New leaders with the same ideology replaced the dead ones, and nothing changed over there. Nor will it until boots are on the ground there like in Iraq. Lotsa boots, which ain't gonna be popular hereabouts.
 
The only nation on fire is Iran.

So, you guys are all good if the UAE, the Sauds, Qutar and the rest supporting Trump going beyond the 60 day window and just pounding Iran until they have no will left at all.

You're all good with that, right?
 
Let’s assume Trump declares “victory” then leaves.

Iran still “2 weeks away”

US no longer welcome anywhere in the region. Qatar? UAE? They paid billions to the Trumps for protection and their nations are on fire

Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?
Why assume the US will leave without achieving its goals, ending all enrichment permanently, preventing Iran from producing any missiles other than short range defensive missiles, preventing Iran from supporting its terrorist proxies?

Iran may have been two weeks away from acquiring enough fissile material to build a bomb before the war, but it is unclear that Iran still has the ability to enrich its 60% uranium to weapons grade.

The US is welcome everywhere in the Gulf countries, especially now that Iran has been bombing them all, and no one paid the US billions to protect them.

Why would Americans have pay to rebuild Gaza or Tel Aviv?

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Iran might seek a ceasefire with Israel due to severe military weakening, including significant losses in missiles, infrastructure, and leadership. A pause allows Iran to prevent further degradation of its military, rebuild its capabilities, avoid a direct, devastating confrontation with Israel and the U.S., and manage severe internal economic and political pressure. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Key reasons for a potential ceasefire include:
  • Preventing Total Military Degradation: Israel has decimated key Iranian assets, including missile launchers, weapons production sites, and air defenses, necessitating a halt to prevent total incapacity.
  • Protecting the Nuclear Program: Intense strikes have damaged Iran's nuclear enrichment abilities and infrastructure, creating a need to pause for survival.
  • Severe Leadership Losses: Israel has killed dozens of senior Iranian military and leadership figures, creating a power vacuum and disrupting operational command.
  • Proxy Weakness: The degradation of proxies like Hezbollah leaves Iran more exposed, requiring a pause to re-arm.
  • Economic Pressure: The destruction of infrastructure and continued economic pressure from regional instability creates a need to stabilize the regime internally.
  • Strategic Rebuilding: Iran often uses pauses in fighting to rearm and re-strategize, rather than as a step towards permanent peace. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
The real question is, why would Israel agree to a ceasefire with Iran?
 
american military people died and for what?
This is the biggest danger we face right now. It is the reason why, when planners realized that there was no way to achieve a strategic victory in 'Nam, they STILL continued sending Americans over to a lost cause.


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Trump put this nation in a no-win situation. If he pulls out and declares victory, Iran will claim victory and they will be stronger than ever as they rebuild; if Trump continues the war, Americans will die for this senseless war and this war will drag on for years. To win this war, it will require at least 500,000 to a 1 million troops. Iran is a nation 1/3 the size of the US with 90 million people. This war was pure idiocy.

Iran still has nuclear material
Iran still has Islamic leadership
Iran still has missiles and drones
The Strait of Hormuz is still closed

How is that “mission accomplished”?
 
Iran still has nuclear material
Iran still has Islamic leadership
Iran still has missiles and drones
The Strait of Hormuz is still closed

How is that “mission accomplished”?
It is not. Only the MAGA cult will think it is mission accomplished.
 
Let ISRAEL fight ISRAEL's wars.
Good idea. I rarely agree with you or the dumocraps, but this is wise advice. My suggestion to Trump is to protect our border and just let the rest of the world fight it out until they are all dead. Then the planet is ours.
 
Who is going to pay for rebuilding?

Can you imagine telling Americans we have to rebuild Gaza and Tel Aviv?

Iran has no reason to reach a ceasefire with Israel, maybe ever

Is this wrong?

Not looking good for Israel and the US Zionists .
Possibly neither of them are used to winning and cannot handle being battered by the Cheeky Chappy Freedom Fighters .

You have got to hand it to the Iranians -- they are humiliating the bullies .
 
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