Zone1 Let's actually DISCUSS the origins and intent of the "Due Process Clause" of the Constitution.

[martybegan]

No. I means we should have checks and balances, due process, to prevent "mistakes".

The problem is the left is gaming the system to turn it from checks to check check check check check check check check, and then check check check check check.

 

[martybegan]

No, it means you follow the correct legal procedure, so the chance of a mistake is minimized.


How was the 'detainer' created? By which branch of gov't?

"Correct legal procedure" to the left means drawing out proceedings for about two decades, if we judge it by how they fight against the death penalty.

 

[martybegan]

It's said “It is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.”

This maxim is most famously attributed to Sir William Blackstone, an English jurist, in his Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765–1769). This gave rise to what's often called Blackstone's Ratio or Blackstone's Formulation.

Nice theory, but that would mean chaos in the streets, and vigilantism.

 

[dblack]

The problem is the left is gaming the system to turn it from checks to check check check check check check check check, and then check check check check check.

This is always the excuse. Q - anon claims the left is doing insane evil things. The right buys it and uses it as an all-purpose excuse for whatever insane evil shit their goons get up to. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[martybegan]

This is always the excuse. Q - anon claims the left is doing insane evil things. The right buys it and uses it as an all-purpose excuse for whatever insane evil shit their goons get up to. Wash, rinse, repeat.

it's not an excuse, it's pointing out a problem. The left has decided gumming up the process is part of normal politics to them.

They just refuse to accept decisions against them.

 

[PeterPilot]

MarathonMike

My copy of the USC/BOR shows that the 5th Amendment uses the term "Any person" (not 'nobody', just a fine point).

The 14th uses the same AND distinguishes between Any Person and Citizen of the United States.

 

[alang1216]

"Correct legal procedure" to the left means drawing out proceedings for about two decades, if we judge it by how they fight against the death penalty.

"Correct legal procedure" to the Right means round them up and send them packing. If any laws get broken or legal rights get trampled, oops, sorry but there is nothing we can do now.

 

[martybegan]

"Correct legal procedure" to the Right means round them up and send them packing. If any laws get broken or legal rights get trampled, oops, sorry but there is nothing we can do now.

If they are positively identified, and are not here legally, what else do we need to know?

If they already have a deportation order, what else do we need to know?

 

[alang1216]

If they are positively identified, and are not here legally, what else do we need to know?

If they already have a deportation order, what else do we need to know?

Have they had an opportunity to refute the identification and the order?

 

[progressive hunter]

Have they had an opportunity to refute the identification and the order?

once its proven whats to refute??

 

[progressive hunter]

Have they had an opportunity to refute the identification and the order?

BREAKING AUDIO – Wife of deported MS-13 terrorist describes how he beat her over and over – The Right Scoop

therightscoop.com

 

[martybegan]

Have they had an opportunity to refute the identification and the order?

"hey, those fingerprints aren't mine"!!!!

"It wasn't me, it was Pedro Gurrero"

 

[alang1216]

once its proven whats to refute??

Proven to whom?

 

[MarathonMike]

Here is historical precedent for our government denying due process EVEN TO US CITIZENS. Remember the Japanese Americans rounded up and shipped to interment camps during WWII? If the US government can waive due process for US citizens it can certainly waive due process for non-citizens especially dangerous ones like the human smuggler Kilmar Garcia.

Suspending the Right of Due Process: Japanese-American Relocation during World War II

Engage students in classroom discussions about due process and the Fifth Amendment using primary sources about Japanese-American “relocation” during WWII.

education.blogs.archives.gov

 

[alang1216]

"hey, those fingerprints aren't mine"!!!!

"It wasn't me, it was Pedro Gurrero"

How do you get the fingerprints of someone who snuck into the country?

 

[progressive hunter]

Proven to whom?

figures you wouldnt know the answer,,

 

[martybegan]

How do you get the fingerprints of someone who snuck into the country?

there are ways. Country of origin, previous run ins with the law. And the left was so helpful giving them ID's regardless of their immigration statuses.

 

[progressive hunter]

 

[Captain Caveman]

If you can claim someone in the US is an illegal immigrant and needs to be deported, how is anyone, citizen or not, protected if there is no 'due process'?

If they can produce a birth certificate, US passport, US driving licence, immigration letter etc.. then you would have a point........but it's as obvious as a puppy sitting beside a big pile of poo.

 

[dblack]

If they can produce a birth certificate, US passport, US driving licence, immigration letter etc.. then you would have a point.....

Confirming the validity of that kind of evidence IS due process.

...but it's as obvious as a puppy sitting beside a big pile of poo.

It doesn't matter how "obvious" it is. Because "obvious" is relative. What's obvious to one isn't necessarily clear cut to someone else.