Let Me Get This Straight About Impeachment Over Trump's Ukraine Phone Call

[Muhammed]

Read this slowly troll...

THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION OF EITHER BURISMA OR HUNTER BIDEN TO STOP

Understand now?

Just saying it over and over and writing it in all caps does not make it true.

Fuckin' moonbats

Except when it is a fact.

Why can't any of you moonbats provide even a shed of evidence to support your contention that Burisma was not under investigation?

 

[Muhammed]

The prosecutor was corrupt, he was a Russian appointee.

When you say Shokin was corrupt you are implying that he violated a law. Could you cite any particular law that he allegedly violated, or are you simply full of shit?

I suggest you ask the Ukrainian Parliament...the IMF...the G7...the World BanK..and that group of REPUBLICAN Senators who supported that removal.

Your concession is accepted.

 

[progressive hunter]

No shit. But the president asked for info about a person who may have committed a crime. Adding in that he’s a candidate for president or “political opponent” is irrelevant. The executive branch is allowed to request information to investigate corruption. I’m not even trying to defend trump on this, I couldn’t possibly care less who sits in that office anymore. If you want joe ******* Biden to be your president you can have at it. At this point I would hope there’s no one left who would want biden to be the president after everything we’ve learned about him but I’m sure there’s still plenty of you who don’t care. I’m just glad some corruption has been exposed. If trump goes down for exposing it then that’s good enough for me. You can go back to fighting over dem and repub now

A candidate is not allowed by law to solicit foreign aid for their campaign. Trump cannot hide behind the Executive branch to violate the law.

as potus its his responsibility to fix corruption and running for office doesnt protect you from that

A criminal investigation is not started because a President wants one. There has to be a suspicion of a crime. The prosecutor who succeeded Shokin says Hunter Biden broke no laws in Ukraine. There is no US investigation in the US of Hunter Biden. Even a political hack like Barr knows you have to have a modicum of suspicion to open up a investigation. What would be the charges against Hunter Biden? I never though the Chines communists would have more integrity than the President of the United states. You are corrupt. You want to open a investigation just to open a investigation.

You want to open a investigation just to open a investigation? WTF, that would be just like a liberal.

You have no idea what a liberal is. To open up a investigation you have to see signs of suspicious activity. Without that you cannot open a investigation. Even is the US, Barr cannot open up a investigation just to open one. What are the charges? What is the suspicious activity? Until you can answer that then you cannot open a legitimate investigation. Law enforcement officials in the US and Ukraine are not Trump's personal gestapo.

charges come after the investigation you stupid ****,,,

 

[gipper]

You believe Russia hacked our election and colluded with Donny, but there is no evidence

You mean other than the evidence that the Mueller Investigation found?

That the FBI found?

In fact not only did Mueller find that Russia hacked our election but he found that the Trump campaign knew and WELCOMED it...and in fact used it intentionally. They took advantage of it and used it in their strategy

Lies lies and more lies. To think a few clumsy facebook posts can impact an election, is dumb. The M report offered no evidence of Russian government interference, but you just believe. Stop watching Rachel. She is a propagandist.

I read the Mueller Report jackass.

And yes...Russia hacked our election. Yes Trump knew it and welcomed it

Yes Trump enthusiastically USED their hacking in his strategy

That’s hilarious.

 

[Lesh]

You believe Russia hacked our election and colluded with Donny, but there is no evidence

You mean other than the evidence that the Mueller Investigation found?

That the FBI found?

In fact not only did Mueller find that Russia hacked our election but he found that the Trump campaign knew and WELCOMED it...and in fact used it intentionally. They took advantage of it and used it in their strategy

Lies lies and more lies. To think a few clumsy facebook posts can impact an election, is dumb. The M report offered no evidence of Russian government interference, but you just believe. Stop watching Rachel. She is a propagandist.

I read the Mueller Report jackass.

And yes...Russia hacked our election. Yes Trump knew it and welcomed it

Yes Trump enthusiastically USED their hacking in his strategy

That’s hilarious.

You think the Mueller Report was "hilarious"?

I didn't. I found it pretty disturbing

 

[busybee01]

"The “political opponent” part of this is where this whole thing falls on its face. You aren’t sheltered from legal scrutiny just because you happen to be running for political office."

That applies to Trump too.

No shit. But the president asked for info about a person who may have committed a crime. Adding in that he’s a candidate for president or “political opponent” is irrelevant. The executive branch is allowed to request information to investigate corruption. I’m not even trying to defend trump on this, I couldn’t possibly care less who sits in that office anymore. If you want joe ******* Biden to be your president you can have at it. At this point I would hope there’s no one left who would want biden to be the president after everything we’ve learned about him but I’m sure there’s still plenty of you who don’t care. I’m just glad some corruption has been exposed. If trump goes down for exposing it then that’s good enough for me. You can go back to fighting over dem and repub now

A candidate is not allowed by law to solicit foreign aid for their campaign. Trump cannot hide behind the Executive branch to violate the law.

yet the hillary campaign paid steele. where was he from again?

The Hillary Campaign DID NOT hire or pay for Steele. The Hillary Campaign asked their law firm to opposition research. The law firm hired Fusion GPS, an American company, to provide that research. The Hillary Campaign paid Fusion GPS for opposition research. Hillary's lawyers only spoke to Fusion GPS, and had no knowledge of who was conducting that research.

In legal terms, this is called an "arm's length transaction". Hillary had no connection to or communication the researcher. Steele didn't know who the client was. That is how you do it.

But all of this talk of Biden and Hillary and what happened in past administrations is absolutely irrelevant to Donald J. Trump attempting to extort the Ukrainian government into "finding" evidence to smear Joe Biden in exchange for Javelin missiles. This is a flat out illegal abuse of power, a sell out of his country, and an impeachable offence.

So if Trump hires an American company to solicit campaign funds from foreign donors that would be perfectly legal using your logic?

There is nothing illegal about Fusion GPS hiring Michael Steele to find information on Trump. Steele was a private investigator who found major corruption in FIFA.

 

[busybee01]

Since you don't want to answer, I'll answer for you.

• Investigate Biden and his son.
• Find the hacked DNC server.

Now I see why you didn't want to answer.

prove it was hacked.

That's seriously old news.

Inside story: How Russians hacked the Democrats' emails

and it's been seriously debunked by meta-data. it was also never allowed to be reviewed/analyzed.

FBI never examined hacked DNC servers itself: report

not gonna play your games of supposition.

LOL

That article doesn't debunk shit. WTF is wrong with you? All that article points out is that the FBI didn't examine the physical servers. We know that. We also know CrowdStrike supplied the FBI with exact duplicates of the hard drives, which is a perfectly acceptable copy.

been in IT all my life.

a copy may or may not be a copy and there is no reasonable excuse to NOT examine the actual server. if i read the left correctly they're upset they got a COPY of trumps phone call and demand the original EXACT one. yet, when it comes to their own hacked servers, a copy is fine and trustable.

don't allow your side to do things you won't allow the other side to do. all there is to it.

That is not a unusual procedure. The city of Atlanta did the same thing when they were hacked. We should know exactly what Trump is telling foreign leaders since he is speaking for the US.

 

[busybee01]

A candidate is not allowed by law to solicit foreign aid for their campaign. Trump cannot hide behind the Executive branch to violate the law.

yet the hillary campaign paid steele. where was he from again?

The Hillary Campaign DID NOT hire or pay for Steele. The Hillary Campaign asked their law firm to opposition research. The law firm hired Fusion GPS, an American company, to provide that research. The Hillary Campaign paid Fusion GPS for opposition research. Hillary's lawyers only spoke to Fusion GPS, and had no knowledge of who was conducting that research.

In legal terms, this is called an "arm's length transaction". Hillary had no connection to or communication the researcher. Steele didn't know who the client was. That is how you do it.

But all of this talk of Biden and Hillary and what happened in past administrations is absolutely irrelevant to Donald J. Trump attempting to extort the Ukrainian government into "finding" evidence to smear Joe Biden in exchange for Javelin missiles. This is a flat out illegal abuse of power, a sell out of his country, and an impeachable offence.

So if Trump hires an American company to solicit campaign funds from foreign donors that would be perfectly legal using your logic?

Had he done that, it would have been illegal. He cannot hire an American company to hire a foreign national.

That is EXACTLY hat Fusion GPS did! So why is Hillary not wearing an orange jumpsuit?

Fusion GPS committed no crime nor did Clinton. Maybe you should wear a orange jumpsuit.

 

[busybee01]

"The “political opponent” part of this is where this whole thing falls on its face. You aren’t sheltered from legal scrutiny just because you happen to be running for political office."

That applies to Trump too.

No shit. But the president asked for info about a person who may have committed a crime. Adding in that he’s a candidate for president or “political opponent” is irrelevant. The executive branch is allowed to request information to investigate corruption. I’m not even trying to defend trump on this, I couldn’t possibly care less who sits in that office anymore. If you want joe ******* Biden to be your president you can have at it. At this point I would hope there’s no one left who would want biden to be the president after everything we’ve learned about him but I’m sure there’s still plenty of you who don’t care. I’m just glad some corruption has been exposed. If trump goes down for exposing it then that’s good enough for me. You can go back to fighting over dem and repub now

A candidate is not allowed by law to solicit foreign aid for their campaign. Trump cannot hide behind the Executive branch to violate the law.

The law says donations or contributions. Try reading the law instead of assuming what it says.

Providing a service is a contribution.

Read the law. It says no such thing. Libtards read things in laws, transcripts, and articles that simply do not exist, yet swear it is there!

Where is the quid pro quo in the transcript of Trump's call to the Ukrainian president? Libtards swear it is there. Shifty Schiff swears it is there. Anyone with a room temp IQ can easily see that it is NOT there.

Trumptards insist the Constitution requires a authorization vote on impeachment when it does.

Trump cuts off assistance to Ukraine before the phone call and then tells the Ukrainian President that the US gives Ukraine a lot of money. They would like for Ukraine to open a investigation of Biden. The quid pro quo is clear. Anyone who is not a weak-minded Trump supporter can see the quid pro quo.

 

[easyt65]

Putin is proud of all of you easily emotionally manipulated Trumpette sheep. You do his bidding well.

You continue to prove you don't have a brain even the size of a pea inside your head.

Putin's ultimate goal, our enemies' ultimate goal, is to divide and tear apart this nation.

THAT IS ALL THE DEMOCRATS HAVE DONE SINCE BEFORE THE 20Q16 ELECTION, FOR THE LAST 3+ YEARS...STARTING WITH IT BEING EXPOSED THAT HILLARY WAS PAYING THUGS TO BEAT AND BLOODY TRUMP SUPPORTERS AT TRUMP RALLIES.

The Russians LITERALLY conned Democrats / snowflakes using social media into organizing for them and marching for them!

The Russians LITERALLY paid Liberal groups Antifa, BLM, & the Black Fist to spread racial division and violence.

Hillary LITERALLY bought Russian-authored Counter-Intelligence propaganda from a foreign spy, information illegally used to target Trump & his team.

Democrats LITERALLY sent reps to Ukraine and collected 'dirt' on Manafort and used it against him and Trump.

Are you REALLY so STUPID that you cannot comprehend that illegally destroying (in violation of existing laws governing the destruction of classified material) thousands of SUBPOENAED official documents that had not been submitted for archival - as per the FOIA & Federal Records Act - constitutes LIERALLY thousands of criminal counts of Illegal Destruction of Classified documents, violations of the FOIA & FRA, and Obstruction, that Hillary should have been I dicted and sentenced to prison instead of being on the ballot?!

Democrats LITERALLY committed every crime they have accused Trump of doing for r years, and partisan idiots like you have been supporting them and defending them despite the overwhelming evidence of their crimes.

Jonathon Gruber was right - Socialist Democrats are dumb as dirt, the Democratic party counts on morons like you to get away with what they do, & you have helped the Democrats divide this nation far more than Putin ever hoped to when they started interfering in 2014!

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You are the one who has demonstrated no brains. You act like a wind up doll who is wound up every day by Trump. I* sere no evidence of any brain activity except to repeat the same crazy lies over and over.

Putin backed Trump because he knew Trump would divide this country. That is why the Russians hacked the DNC servers.

REPUBLICANS HAVE ACTED IN A PARTISAN MANNER SINCE DAY ONE. THEY CUT OUT EVEN MODERATE DEMOCRATS AS THEY TRIED TO GET RID OF OBAMACARE DESPITE THE VOTERS' DESIRE FOR A COMPROMISE. THEY PASSED BIG TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH AND BIG BUSINESS. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE CLINTON PAID ANYONE TO BEAT ANYONE UP. TRUMP URGED HIS SUPPORTERS TO BEAT UP PROTESTORS AND SAID HE WOULD PAY THE LEGAL BILLS.

The Russians hacked the DNC servers and launched a successful phishing attack against Podesta. Manafort gave a associate with ties to Russian Intelligence internal polling data and campaign strategy. Russians bought social media ads supporting Trump. Even after the election Russian social media bots put out pro-Trump propaganda.

Steele's report was based on information that was not provided by the Russians. It was based on his contacts in Russia. Steele was a former intelligence agent who worked for the good guys. Several aspects of the report were proven true. The report correctly stated that Russia was interfering in our elections. The US investigation into Russian interference was not known publicly. Also the report correctly reported that a employee of the Russian Embassy in Washington was a spy. He was forced back to Moscow for being a spy.

The fact is that Hillary Clinton had every right to delete personal e-mails. There was no obstruction no matter how much you wish it to be so. Comey's decision was the correct one and the IG did not fault the decision.

Trump is the one who has obstructed. He refuses to accept the constitutionally granted checks and balances on a President. You are the partisan idiot who parrots the same line over and over. Trump has had 2 AGs and even a political hack like Barr cannot find any crimes. You are the one who is as dumb as dirt. You accept any conspiracy theory as fact. You are crazy.

BB, you and Hillary lost. The sooner you accept that the sooner we can move on and stop the treason BS...

 

[Olde Europe]

Kind of like all the big pussies in this country who KNOW Trump is evil and wrong, but for whatever reason won't take a stand.

Shit, Trump had to pretty much commit crimes in the open to get a half-ass impeachment started.

Heavens, Joe. My argument is, and was right from the get-go, that the main difference is stable, resilient institutions reigning in the autocratic tendencies of the would-be autocrat in the U.S. How is it possible none of that registers with you? And yes, even while Trump committed his crimes in secret, and the cover-up started immediately thereafter, the institution of Congress and the institution of Impeachment are starting to work, clunky and creaking, but work they do.

And yes, it is disheartening to watch the authoritarian subservience of the Trumpletons and other deplorable sycophants, but a counter to my argument they are not.

 

[gipper]

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Did Biden, as Vice President, attempt to withhold aid until the Ukrainians agreed to dig-up dirt on a domestic political rival ?

No? Well... there ya go... there's the difference... that's what makes it Impeachable.

Mic drop.

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Besides: "The other guy did it too" is a 5th grade recess-yard excuse; best left there.

There is a difference... You want to support a Russian appointed prosecutor...

The prosecutor wasn't a political rival, he was a Russian lacky...

Biden was doing it for US & Allies National Security, Trump was planting dirt on the he running mate using US National Security as a bargaining chip..

You are looking pretty stupid picking up that mic...

LOL. Biden was doing it to enrich his son. Wake the **** up.

Absolutely no evidence of it. But then that never stopped Trump and his supporters from making baseless accusations.

Since when do you require evidence? You believe Russia hacked our election and colluded with Donny, but there is no evidence.

Why do you believe conspiracy theories? Did Rachel inflame you?

That is the opinion of our intelligence community as well and even Pence called the evidence convincing. Russia's interference in our elections is undeniable. The Mueller report details meetings Manafort had with a business partner with ties to Russian Intelligence. He gave the associate a stream of internal polling data. In the last meeting, he provided internal polling data and the campaign strategy. He also talked about various swing states. The Trump campaign was aware of the fact that Russia wanted Trump to win and made it easier for them to do so.

Yes they all want war with Russia to grow the state and enrich themselves and their billionaires friends. If this is news to you, you need to re-evaluate your position.

 

[gipper]

You believe Russia hacked our election and colluded with Donny, but there is no evidence

You mean other than the evidence that the Mueller Investigation found?

That the FBI found?

In fact not only did Mueller find that Russia hacked our election but he found that the Trump campaign knew and WELCOMED it...and in fact used it intentionally. They took advantage of it and used it in their strategy

Lies lies and more lies. To think a few clumsy facebook posts can impact an election, is dumb. The M report offered no evidence of Russian government interference, but you just believe. Stop watching Rachel. She is a propagandist.

I read the Mueller Report jackass.

And yes...Russia hacked our election. Yes Trump knew it and welcomed it

Yes Trump enthusiastically USED their hacking in his strategy

That’s hilarious.

You think the Mueller Report was "hilarious"?

I didn't. I found it pretty disturbing

And yet your beloved D Party didn’t impeach after seeing Mueller’s report. Do you know why?

 

[JoeB131]

Heavens, Joe. My argument is, and was right from the get-go, that the main difference is stable, resilient institutions reigning in the autocratic tendencies of the would-be autocrat in the U.S. How is it possible none of that registers with you?

Well, becuase if you told me in 2015 we'd have immigrants in concentration camps, I'd have said, "That could never happen here."

Now we have concentration camps. Except for big pussies who get all pearl-clutchy if you dare call them concentration camps.

Hitler happened because good and decent people didn't say no. They looked for how they could take advantage of the Crazy Person in the Chancellery....

And yes, even while Trump committed his crimes in secret, and the cover-up started immediately thereafter, the institution of Congress and the institution of Impeachment are starting to work, clunky and creaking, but work they do.

Are they? The ironic thing is that Trump will probably beat impeachment because Republicans will build a wall of bodies to protect him. And if he gets voted out of office, it will ONLY be because the economy went south. That assumes that he actually leaves office and doesn't declare the election null and void if he loses.

And yes, it is disheartening to watch the authoritarian subservience of the Trumpletons and other deplorable sycophants, but a counter to my argument they are not.

They actually are. We have Von Papen Republicans and Vichy Democrats...

People think I'm a liberal, but I'm not. Liberals are pussies.

In a world with sensible protections, like you said, the 25th Amendment would have been invoked the first time Trump went on a crazy Twitter Rant.

That hasn't happened... because too many people who know better are too timid.

Just like Hitler's Germany.

 

[Olde Europe]

Well, becuase if you told me in 2015 we'd have immigrants in concentration camps, I'd have said, "That could never happen here."

There were concentration camps during WWII to detain Japanese Americans - arguably there were concentration camps even earlier to detain native Americans, before the term was coined - so how on earth could you say, "That could never happen here"?

Still, you stubbornly refuse to get my point. At this point in Hitler's rule he had every institution of the state and society aligned with, and following exclusively, his will. Decry people unwilling to speak up as you will, what has happened in Germany in the 1930s hasn't happened, and will not happen, in the U.S., and that's because American institutions of democratic governance and the rule of law are far more resilient than the German ones were back then. And that is why Trump is not, and will not likely become, Hitler. And yes, speak out, find many more willing to speak out, make it a rising chorus of "Resist!" That sure will help.

 

[Paulie]

I’m not sure this is correct and if it is it makes literally no sense. How can the president be prevented from investigating corruption? Why would we even want that?

The president can investigate corruption if there is a valid reason to do so.

Doing so just to beat a political opponent seems like not a valid reason.

Isn't that what Obama has been accused of doing in regards to Trump?

The “just” to beat a political opponent part of this is where I have trouble. Corruption exists despite elections. We could make trump king and never have another presidential election and that doesn’t make what Biden did any less significant to investigate.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The “just” to beat a political opponent part of this is where I have trouble. Corruption exists despite elections. We could make trump king and never have another presidential election and that doesn’t make what Biden did any less significant to investigate.

I assume then you are ok with the investigation into Trump during his campaign...correct?

 

[Lesh]

Well, becuase if you told me in 2015 we'd have immigrants in concentration camps, I'd have said, "That could never happen here."

There were concentration camps during WWII to detain Japanese Americans - arguably there were concentration camps even earlier to detain native Americans, before the term was coined - so how on earth could you say, "That could never happen here"?

Still, you stubbornly refuse to get my point. At this point in Hitler's rule he had every institution of the state and society aligned with, and following exclusively, his will. Decry people unwilling to speak up as you will, what has happened in Germany in the 1930s hasn't happened, and will not happen, in the U.S., and that's because American institutions of democratic governance and the rule of law are far more resilient than the German ones were back then. And that is why Trump is not, and will not likely become, Hitler. And yes, speak out, find many more willing to speak out, make it a rising chorus of "Resist!" That sure will help.

You're wrong.

Trump came to power not expecting to and with no real philosophy or experience.

Incompetence has protected us so far, and our system and norms are in place and have a relatively strong history (that is the "Deep State" that he has been attacking)

But he has systematically replaced people with sycophants and simply hollowed out agencies by firing and not replacing those that get fed up and leave.

So far our system has held up reasonably well...but bear in mind...it's only been 3 years. Another five years of this...and we may not recover

 

[Lesh]

And yet your beloved D Party didn’t impeach after seeing Mueller’s report. Do you know why?

You can largely than Billy the Bagman for that

 

[Paulie]

The “just” to beat a political opponent part of this is where I have trouble. Corruption exists despite elections. We could make trump king and never have another presidential election and that doesn’t make what Biden did any less significant to investigate.

I assume then you are ok with the investigation into Trump during his campaign...correct?

Sure why not? But at the end of the day this is just a bigger version of internal affairs. “We’ve investigated ourselves and determined we’ve done nothing wrong”. Everything we’re watching is theater. All of it. Im calling it kayfabe but my views are out there as it is.