Let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says Japanese minister

[CaféAuLait]

He has a point - old people use up a lot of taxpayer funds to care for them in their final years of life, but he could have chosen better words. He ended up sounding offensive.

At what age do we consider one old and why is their decision to live any business of the governments or anyone other than the person themselves?

What's next? Do we start to accuse those over 60 of house hoarding as they do in the UK? And try to find ways to force them out for the younger people to move into the homes they bought and paid for?

 

[Noomi]

He has a point - old people use up a lot of taxpayer funds to care for them in their final years of life, but he could have chosen better words. He ended up sounding offensive.

At what age do we consider one old and why is their decision to live any business of the governments or anyone other than the person themselves?

What's next? Do we start to accuse those over 60 of house hoarding as they do in the UK? And try to find ways to force them out for the younger people to move into the homes they bought and paid for?

I don't know how old you have to be to be labeled as 'old'. I guess 60 and beyond? But it depends on the person.

Elderly can still wish to live, but it is a fact that they use a lot of taxpayers money to care for them in their old age.
I am not saying they should die, I am just pointing out that one point.

 

[Inthemiddle]

why is their decision to live any business of the governments or anyone other than the person themselves?

Decision to live? It sounds to me he's talking about people who want to die.

 

[Luissa]

The problem is people mix up killing grandma with providing and not providing care Grandma doesn't need.
I work with the elderly, I take care of people dying from dementia. There is obviously care they do not need and do need.
It isn't about denying them coverage it is about giving the doctor incentive to providing end of life care. The biggest mistake was taking out coverage for end of life counseling. Doctors see these patients once every six months, know nothing about them, and they do not get paid to provide end of life counseling which is horrible. We could have provided end of life counseling and saved even more money, and made many people a lot more comfortable as they get closer to death.
Of course people who have no clue decided to call it death panels, and ruined one of the good things about Obamacare.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"Hurry up and die" you "tube people" and those who "dodder around", the government can't afford to pay for you anymore! I've seen people point to Japan's HC system as an example for ours. Yet they have had to double taxes to pay for the elderly and are now hoping they hurry up and die because the old are a drain on the system.

I'm sure Paul Ryan has the Japanese' "back", when dealing with such "useless parasites".​

War On The Weak
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"You can't have a Master Race, without one."​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I guess he'd be very supportive of Obamacare

....And, help provide for those of "lesser means"??????

I'm guessing, not.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

It sounds just like what the GOP wants for americans.

Diamond Dave DOES have a tendency to get "somewhat" confused.​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says Japanese minister

obamacare will be no different.....

Perhaps you can show everyone where that agenda is stated.

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[Mr. Shaman]

I guess he'd be very supportive of Obamacare

My thoughts exactly. I guess it's time for them to adopt some of the crap in Obamacare and stock up on pain pills.

Perhaps you can show everyone where that crap is mentioned.

Health Care Reform
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[Mr. Shaman]

Obama intimated the same thing....they ould just give them a pill and make them comfortable instead of life prolonging treatment.

Sorry, that's bullshit and you know it. It's Republicans who want death panels. See "Jan Brewer" and her state death panels. Watch Republicans yell out "let him die" during presidential debates. Republicans hoarding assault weapons hoping they can one day feel free to shoot other Americans.

The GOP owns this one. NOT Obama.

It's funny how liberals seem to believe that a lie becomes the truth just because a liberal utters it.

Lemme guess.....that's what......

.....Porky Limbaugh says....

....right??

 

[Unkotare]

It's too bad Crayon Boy doesn't care enough if anyone reads his posts to stop playing with fonts. As a result, no one reads his nonsense. Maybe that's the point.

 

[rdean]

He has a point - old people use up a lot of taxpayer funds to care for them in their final years of life, but he could have chosen better words. He ended up sounding offensive.

At what age do we consider one old and why is their decision to live any business of the governments or anyone other than the person themselves?

What's next? Do we start to accuse those over 60 of house hoarding as they do in the UK? And try to find ways to force them out for the younger people to move into the homes they bought and paid for?

I don't know how old you have to be to be labeled as 'old'. I guess 60 and beyond? But it depends on the person.

Elderly can still wish to live, but it is a fact that they use a lot of taxpayers money to care for them in their old age.
I am not saying they should die, I am just pointing out that one point.

My landlord's mother turned 100 last July. I'm nearly 60 yet she is the oldest person I've ever known. She fell recently and had hip surgery. She is walking now with a walker. She goes to the casino for fun because she can't see enough to read and can't knit or do really anything except hit a button.

I have no problem with her getting surgery for her hip. I applaud it and am glad she made a full recovery. She has a young woman's mind trapped in a old body.

But if there were the choice of someone 25 getting a kidney or her getting it, I would go with the person who is 25.

She also doesn't want her life extended using tubes and liquids and machines. She wants to go with "dignity". Many Republicans would take away her right and force her to live no matter what. They don't have respect for what is right or for anyone's rights. They want to take away a woman's right. The worst part is they will turn their backs on babies once they are born.

A lot of these issues are "common sense" issues. Common sense doesn't have to be cruel or cold. But Republicans are so rigid in their ideology, they would see people suffer tragically to enforce their Fascist right wing ideology no matter the suffering it causes. The last presidential run proved that. Shouting "let him die" at debates, and saying they wouldn't represent the 47%. Approving of "Ayn Rand". Republicans have become the enemy of "common sense" and if you disagree with them, they scream "death panels", even when it's Republicans like "Jan Brewer" who advocate "death panels".

 

[rdean]

At what age do we consider one old and why is their decision to live any business of the governments or anyone other than the person themselves?

What's next? Do we start to accuse those over 60 of house hoarding as they do in the UK? And try to find ways to force them out for the younger people to move into the homes they bought and paid for?

I don't know how old you have to be to be labeled as 'old'. I guess 60 and beyond? But it depends on the person.

Elderly can still wish to live, but it is a fact that they use a lot of taxpayers money to care for them in their old age.
I am not saying they should die, I am just pointing out that one point.

My landlord's mother turned 100 last July. I'm nearly 60 yet she is the oldest person I've ever known. She fell recently and had hip surgery. She is walking now with a walker. She goes to the casino for fun because she can't see enough to read and can't knit or do really anything except hit a button.

I have no problem with her getting surgery for her hip. I applaud it and am glad she made a full recovery. She has a young woman's mind trapped in a old body.

But if there were the choice of someone 25 getting a kidney or her getting it, I would go with the person who is 25.

She also doesn't want her life extended using tubes and liquids and machines. She wants to go with "dignity". Many Republicans would take away her right and force her to live no matter what. They don't have respect for what is right or for anyone's rights. They want to take away a woman's right. The worst part is they will turn their backs on babies once they are born.

A lot of these issues are "common sense" issues. Common sense doesn't have to be cruel or cold. But Republicans are so rigid in their ideology, they would see people suffer tragically to enforce their Fascist right wing ideology no matter the suffering it causes. The last presidential run proved that. Shouting "let him die" at debates, and saying they wouldn't represent the 47%. Approving of "Ayn Rand". Republicans have become the enemy of "common sense" and if you disagree with them, they scream "death panels", even when it's Republicans like "Jan Brewer" who advocate "death panels".

Republicans on this site will read a post like this and scream "liar", even though they can't point out the lie. They want both sides of everything. They scream death panels, yet feel victims of disasters should have to pay to be rescued. They say fighting abortion is "Godly", yet scream out "let him die" and "feed the poor and they will breed". They say the love babies but want to cut school lunch for poor children.

Well, they can't have both side. One of those sides is a lie. From their policies, it's very clear which side that is.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don't know how old you have to be to be labeled as 'old'. I guess 60 and beyond? But it depends on the person.

Elderly can still wish to live, but it is a fact that they use a lot of taxpayers money to care for them in their old age.
I am not saying they should die, I am just pointing out that one point.

My landlord's mother turned 100 last July. I'm nearly 60 yet she is the oldest person I've ever known. She fell recently and had hip surgery. She is walking now with a walker. She goes to the casino for fun because she can't see enough to read and can't knit or do really anything except hit a button.

I have no problem with her getting surgery for her hip. I applaud it and am glad she made a full recovery. She has a young woman's mind trapped in a old body.

But if there were the choice of someone 25 getting a kidney or her getting it, I would go with the person who is 25.

She also doesn't want her life extended using tubes and liquids and machines. She wants to go with "dignity". Many Republicans would take away her right and force her to live no matter what. They don't have respect for what is right or for anyone's rights. They want to take away a woman's right. The worst part is they will turn their backs on babies once they are born.

A lot of these issues are "common sense" issues. Common sense doesn't have to be cruel or cold. But Republicans are so rigid in their ideology, they would see people suffer tragically to enforce their Fascist right wing ideology no matter the suffering it causes. The last presidential run proved that. Shouting "let him die" at debates, and saying they wouldn't represent the 47%. Approving of "Ayn Rand". Republicans have become the enemy of "common sense" and if you disagree with them, they scream "death panels", even when it's Republicans like "Jan Brewer" who advocate "death panels".

Republicans on this site will read a post like this and scream "liar", even though they can't point out the lie. They want both sides of everything. They scream death panels, yet feel victims of disasters should have to pay to be rescued. They say fighting abortion is "Godly", yet scream out "let him die" and "feed the poor and they will breed". They say the love babies but want to cut school lunch for poor children.

Well, they can't have both side. One of those sides is a lie. From their policies, it's very clear which side that is.

Republicans are so rigid in their ideology,

you are right Dean,especially the Far Right.....
and so are a hell of a lot of Far Left Democrats....including you......

 

[Antares]

You go from screaming that it wasn't true to saying that its ok to let them die.
You aren't very bright kid.

Go play in the sand box junior.


Obama to Jane Sturm: Hey, take a pill - YouTube

Sorry, that's bullshit and you know it. It's Republicans who want death panels. See "Jan Brewer" and her state death panels. Watch Republicans yell out "let him die" during presidential debates. Republicans hoarding assault weapons hoping they can one day feel free to shoot other Americans.

The GOP owns this one. NOT Obama.

At a hundred and five? Yea, surgery at a hundred and five is a "good idea". It tends to extend people's lives another 10 years, at least. Maybe 20.

What is it with these Republicans? They don't want anyone to have health care, but they fight to get a women who's a hundred and five "surgery"???? Really?????

 

[Luissa]

You go from screaming that it wasn't true to saying that its ok to let them die.
You aren't very bright kid.

Go play in the sand box junior.


Obama to Jane Sturm: Hey, take a pill - YouTube

At a hundred and five? Yea, surgery at a hundred and five is a "good idea". It tends to extend people's lives another 10 years, at least. Maybe 20.

What is it with these Republicans? They don't want anyone to have health care, but they fight to get a women who's a hundred and five "surgery"???? Really?????

Do you guys understand how bad surgery can be on someone who is 105? It would most likely kill them.

 

[rdean]

My landlord's mother turned 100 last July. I'm nearly 60 yet she is the oldest person I've ever known. She fell recently and had hip surgery. She is walking now with a walker. She goes to the casino for fun because she can't see enough to read and can't knit or do really anything except hit a button.

I have no problem with her getting surgery for her hip. I applaud it and am glad she made a full recovery. She has a young woman's mind trapped in a old body.

But if there were the choice of someone 25 getting a kidney or her getting it, I would go with the person who is 25.

She also doesn't want her life extended using tubes and liquids and machines. She wants to go with "dignity". Many Republicans would take away her right and force her to live no matter what. They don't have respect for what is right or for anyone's rights. They want to take away a woman's right. The worst part is they will turn their backs on babies once they are born.

A lot of these issues are "common sense" issues. Common sense doesn't have to be cruel or cold. But Republicans are so rigid in their ideology, they would see people suffer tragically to enforce their Fascist right wing ideology no matter the suffering it causes. The last presidential run proved that. Shouting "let him die" at debates, and saying they wouldn't represent the 47%. Approving of "Ayn Rand". Republicans have become the enemy of "common sense" and if you disagree with them, they scream "death panels", even when it's Republicans like "Jan Brewer" who advocate "death panels".

Republicans on this site will read a post like this and scream "liar", even though they can't point out the lie. They want both sides of everything. They scream death panels, yet feel victims of disasters should have to pay to be rescued. They say fighting abortion is "Godly", yet scream out "let him die" and "feed the poor and they will breed". They say the love babies but want to cut school lunch for poor children.

Well, they can't have both side. One of those sides is a lie. From their policies, it's very clear which side that is.

Republicans are so rigid in their ideology,

you are right Dean,especially the Far Right.....
and so are a hell of a lot of Far Left Democrats....including you......

Some Democrats are fringe. The very highest number is probably less than 10%.

Fully half of Republicans are crazy right wing nut bags.

Not something you can compare.

You don't see Democratic leaders saying the Democratic Party has no smart people and then the crowd of Democrats cheering wildly. You don't hear Democrats shouting out "let him die" at debates. You never saw Democrats wearing "put white back in the white house" shirts at rallies. You never saw Democratic leaders saying education is for snobs. You don't hear Democratic leaders saying disaster victims should pay to be rescued. You don't hear Democrats cheering "fewer police, firemen and teachers". You don't hear Democrats.........well, you get the idea.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Republicans on this site will read a post like this and scream "liar", even though they can't point out the lie. They want both sides of everything. They scream death panels, yet feel victims of disasters should have to pay to be rescued. They say fighting abortion is "Godly", yet scream out "let him die" and "feed the poor and they will breed". They say the love babies but want to cut school lunch for poor children.

Well, they can't have both side. One of those sides is a lie. From their policies, it's very clear which side that is.

Republicans are so rigid in their ideology,

you are right Dean,especially the Far Right.....
and so are a hell of a lot of Far Left Democrats....including you......

Some Democrats are fringe. The very highest number is probably less than 10%.

Fully half of Republicans are crazy right wing nut bags.

Not something you can compare.

You don't see Democratic leaders saying the Democratic Party has no smart people and then the crowd of Democrats cheering wildly. You don't hear Democrats shouting out "let him die" at debates. You never saw Democrats wearing "put white back in the white house" shirts at rallies. You never saw Democratic leaders saying education is for snobs. You don't hear Democratic leaders saying disaster victims should pay to be rescued. You don't hear Democrats cheering "fewer police, firemen and teachers". You don't hear Democrats.........well, you get the idea.

Some Democrats are fringe. The very highest number is probably less than 10%.
bullshit,its higher than that.....you dont see that many Dean.....because YOU are one of the fringe.....your obsessed with Republicans.....i delivered mail here in the Anaheim Hills with a hell of a lot of Republicans......NONE OF THEM acted like you say they do.....even though there could well have been a few there.......they all had kids in school or college .....they never gave me the impression you give about them.......your problem Dean is you look at the Right fringe and think EVERY ******* Republican is just like the people you quote.....you are UNABLE to separate people......if i told all the Democrats here that they all must be like you and LaKota i am sure i would get more than a few replies telling me how you guys do not represent Moderate or Conservative Democrats.....matter of fact some have PM'd with me have said as much in the course of our discussion.....

 

[Antares]

So bad people like you and Dean get to choose whether they live or die?

The Left has no use for the unborn or the old....so they throw them away.

You go from screaming that it wasn't true to saying that its ok to let them die.
You aren't very bright kid.

At a hundred and five? Yea, surgery at a hundred and five is a "good idea". It tends to extend people's lives another 10 years, at least. Maybe 20.

What is it with these Republicans? They don't want anyone to have health care, but they fight to get a women who's a hundred and five "surgery"???? Really?????

Do you guys understand how bad surgery can be on someone who is 105? It would most likely kill them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says Japanese minister

Taro Aso, the finance minister, said on Monday that the elderly should be allowed to "hurry up and die" to relieve pressure on the state to pay for their medical care.

"Heaven forbid if you are forced to live on when you want to die. I would wake up feeling increasingly bad knowing that [treatment] was all being paid for by the government," he said during a meeting of the national council on social security reforms. "The problem won't be solved unless you let them hurry up and die."

Rising welfare costs, particularly for the elderly, were behind a decision last year to double consumption [sales] tax to 10% over the next three years, a move Aso's Liberal Democratic party supported.

To compound the insult, he referred to elderly patients who are no longer able to feed themselves as "tube people". The health and welfare ministry, he added, was "well aware that it costs several tens of millions of yen" a month to treat a single patient in the final stages of life.

"I see people aged 67 or 68 at class reunions who dodder around and are constantly going to the doctor," he said at a meeting of economists. "Why should I have to pay for people who just eat and drink and make no effort? I walk every day and do other things, but I'm paying more in taxes."

Let elderly people 'hurry up and die', says Japanese minister | World news | guardian.co.uk


"Hurry up and die" you "tube people" and those who "dodder around", the government can't afford to pay for you anymore! I've seen people point to Japan's HC system as an example for ours. Yet they have had to double taxes to pay for the elderly and are now hoping they hurry up and die because the old are a drain on the system.

This view is hardly an outlier in terms of Democrat Liberal policy...

"Elderly people who are terminally ill have a ''duty to die and get out of the way'' instead of trying to prolong their lives by artificial means, [Democrat]Gov. Richard D. Lamm of Colorado said Tuesday. People who die without having life artificially extended are similar to ''leaves falling off a tree and forming humus for the other plants to grow up,'' the [Democrat] Governor told a meeting of the Colorado Health Lawyers Association at St. Joseph's Hospital. ''You've got a duty to die and get out of the way,'' said the 48-year-old [Democrat]Governor. ''Let the other society, our kids, build a reasonable life.''
GOV. LAMM ASSERTS ELDERLY, IF VERY ILL, HAVE 'DUTY TO DIE' - NYTimes.com