Leaked details of draft peace plan give Putin what he wants

[mudwhistle]

View attachment 1080451

 

[bendog]

If Germany, Poland, and Lithuania line up to support Ukraine, we could have WWIII on our hands.

Germany is a dead *****, but ironically they ended up winning WWII because we gave them an economy at our own expense. But Poland and the Baltics could take Putin for a year or so.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump cannot give anything of Ukraine’s to Putin or to Russia. Because nothing in Ukraine belongs to Trump. Not even the hundreds of millions of American dollars that have been sent down that rathole.

Trump offered to help deal with the Russians to end the killing of Ukrainians. Zelinski has not been able to do that in several years of trying. It’s starting to sound like our president’s help is not needed. If so, that’s fine.

But Zelinski cannot have it both ways. He cannot be an unelected dictator and at the same time cry foul because his great democracy has been invaded. Cannot expect further hundreds of millions while insulting the very people providing it.

I know under Biden he could do that, and if Harris had been elected, he could continue to do that. But there’s a grown-up in charge now so he can act like one himself or lose our support.

If he forego American support, how much of Ukraine would the Russians get?

 

[jbrownson0831]

Conservatives rush to the defense of Russia since it's been controlled by a fascist dictator.

We rush to the defense of American taxpayers who have no reason to be involved, facediaper.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump cannot give anything of Ukraine’s to Putin or to Russia. Because nothing in Ukraine belongs to Trump. Not even the hundreds of millions of American dollars that have been sent down that rathole.

Trump offered to help deal with the Russians to end the killing of Ukrainians. Zelinski has not been able to do that in several years of trying. It’s starting to sound like our president’s help is not needed. If so, that’s fine.

But Zelinski cannot have it both ways. He cannot be an unelected dictator and at the same time cry foul because his great democracy has been invaded. Cannot expect further hundreds of millions while insulting the very people providing it.

I know under Biden he could do that, and if Harris had been elected, he could continue to do that. But there’s a grown-up in charge now so he can act like one himself or lose our support.

If he forego American support, how much of Ukraine would the Russians get?

The European Union seems willing to cast America adrift and dominate Europe, which means kicking Russia in the ass.

 

[bendog]

Trump cannot give anything of Ukraine’s to Putin or to Russia. Because nothing in Ukraine belongs to Trump. Not even the hundreds of millions of American dollars that have been sent down that rathole.

Trump offered to help deal with the Russians to end the killing of Ukrainians. Zelinski has not been able to do that in several years of trying. It’s starting to sound like our president’s help is not needed. If so, that’s fine.

But Zelinski cannot have it both ways. He cannot be an unelected dictator and at the same time cry foul because his great democracy has been invaded. Cannot expect further hundreds of millions while insulting the very people providing it.

I know under Biden he could do that, and if Harris had been elected, he could continue to do that. But there’s a grown-up in charge now so he can act like one himself or lose our support.

If he forego American support, how much of Ukraine would the Russians get?

Zelensky is not an unelected dictator. He was legally elected when Putin invaded his country, and he rules under martial law, which is legal under their const. However, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF OUR KIDS' MONEY WE GIVE HIM, HE CANNOT BEAT PUTIN.

He may think Biden gave him a blank check, but the check's date has passed. He's got to make a deal, and he told Trump he wanted to make it. Trump may just give him that opportunity ... in which case there will not be a ukraine nation.

 

[Seymour Flops]

The European Union seems willing to cast America adrift and dominate Europe, which means kicking Russia in the ass.

Good! Problem solved!

I have no doubt that a united Europe can defeat Russia. Wondering when they were going to get off their asses.

Of course they are delusional to think that America will be “adrift“ without them.

But they are welcome to enjoy the fantasy if it means leaving the US taxpayer out of their nonsense fo once.

 

[martybegan]

The European Union seems willing to cast America adrift and dominate Europe, which means kicking Russia in the ass.

So, making the same mistakes Napoleon and Hitler made.

 

[martybegan]

Zelensky is not an unelected dictator. He was legally elected when Putin invaded his country, and he rules under martial law, which is legal under their const. However, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF OUR KIDS' MONEY WE GIVE HIM, HE CANNOT BEAT PUTIN.

He may think Biden gave him a blank check, but the check's date has passed. He's got to make a deal, and he told Trump he wanted to make it. Trump may just give him that opportunity ... in which case there will not be a ukraine nation.

You added the term "unelected"

And the problem with martial law declarations is usually the declaration is in ink, but the revocation is in blood.

 

[Missourian]

We be broke

Worse than broke. Broke would be an improvement. We're looking up at broke from the bottom of a 30 trillion dollar hole. Broke is a speck of light far, far above us.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Russia has insisted it will not sign a peace agreement until Ukraine agrees to hold elections, and the U.S. is now "floating" the idea of a three-stage plan: ceasefire, then Ukrainian elections, then inking of a peace deal.

Trump calls Ukraine's Zelenskyy a 'dictator without elections' as rift widens

President Donald Trump called a Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy as a “dictator without elections" after U.S.-Russia peace talks in Saudi Arabia.

www.foxnews.com

So, Democrats, clear this up for me. Do you support or oppose immediate elections in Ukraine?

 

[Missourian]

If Germany, Poland, and Lithuania line up to support Ukraine, we could have WWIII on our hands.

Good luck. Our treaties only apply when a member country is attacked...not when they instigate a war.

 

[hadit]

Another FAILED Democrat war rooted in stupidity. Trump wants to bring this fiasco to an end.

The headlines will read, "TRUMP! ends what Quid Pro Joe couldn't".

 

[hadit]

What is known of Donald Trump's 'peace plan' for Ukraine?

The leaked details of the Trump administration's peace plan for Ukraine suggest that the US could sideline its European partners and make concessions to Russia to accelerate the negotiation process.

www.dw.com

Come on! Who is surprised? We all knew trump would roll over for Putin. I mean, the Russian leader is a war criminal and trump is talking about inviting him the DC. What else do you need to know about the bromance that trump and Putin have? This country is walking away from our century's old allies and, by the end of trump's term, will be a Russia ally and perhaps even a part of the Russian kingdom. Who did not see this coming? Hungary 2.0

How exactly is TRUMP! in control of Ukraine to the point he can dictate a peace plan they have to accept? As it stands, he has an historic opportunity to broker a peace deal like he did in the Middle East and cement his reputation as the Peace President.

 

[Missourian]

The European Union seems willing to cast America adrift and dominate Europe, which means kicking Russia in the ass.

The day the first European conscription notice hits the mail, the "war" will be over.

 

[Missourian]

The headlines will read, "TRUMP! ends what Quid Pro Joe couldn't".

In a world with an unbiased, honest media it would.

In the world we actually live in, if President Trump walked on water, the headline would be "Trump Can't Swim!".

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

In a world with an unbiased, honest media it would.

In the world we actually live in, if President Trump walked on water, the headline would be "Trump Can't Swim!".

He can't.

 

[Slade3200]

Here are the last few budgets from 2018-2025.
Notice that the "deficit" or money to be borrowed is about $2T.
The House's 2025 proposed budget is $6.1T (down from Biden's $7.3T)
Look at the interest on the debt graph below and it is obvious that we need to stop borrowing.
A $6.1T budget with $1.1T in interest only leaves $5T to spend, with revenue at about $4.5T
So if DOGE can cut about $0.50T the budget can balance, a first since Newt Gingrich did it.

Biden’s 2025 Budget is $7.30T with a $1.8T deficit______TOTAL BIDEN $8.3T (actual per clock)
Biden’s 2024 Budget was $7.30T with a $2.0T deficit
Biden's 2023 Budget was $6.13T with a $1.7T deficit
Biden's 2022 Budget was $6.27T with a $1.4T deficit
Trump's 2021 Budget was $6.82T with a $2.8T deficit___ TOTAL TRUMP $7.6T
Trump's 2020 Budget was $6.55T with a $3.1T deficit
Trump's 2019 Budget was $4.40T with a $0.9T deficit
Trump's 2018 Budget was $4.10T with a $0.8T deficit

View attachment 1080672

View attachment 1080674

Do you think it would be a good thing if Elon and Trump could pay off the entire debit by the end of their term?

 

[Slade3200]

Good Lord, this comment explains a lot.

please explain then...

 

[Slade3200]

Okay, what does it mean to be in debt Slade?

It means you owe money