Leaked: Democrats Lied Again

[Zander]

But the CBO is and they already scored it as a money saving bill

And the useful idiots continue to believe that it will save money. Just like "Medicare" was going to cost $12 billion for the first 10 years - not the $70 Billion it actually cost. Just like we were going to be greeted as liberators in Iraq. Just like everything the government tells you to believe always happens. Useful idiots believe and do as they are programmed to.......

 

[Foxfyre]

IMO, if they were to implement a single payer system all at once, taxes wouldn't have to be raised. We could use all of the premiums that the insurance companies use for paying their over paid management and their shareholders. That would, IMO, enable tax rates to stay as they are.

Hmm. I think at last count there were 31 major health insurance companies in the USA and if each employed 200 people, you would look at something over 6000 people who would be going on the unemployment rolls and not paying taxes immediately.

Meanwhile, by most estimates, the current healthcare overhaul will create about 150 new bureaucracies. Given our track record so far, what do you suppose the cost of those bureaucracies would be over say 10 years? So add that to the cost of those unemployed insurance companies employees.

Then let's don't stop with premiums. Let's confiscate all the salaries of those insurance company execs. If that was $5 million each, that would net us about $155 million to offset an annual expenditure exceeding more than 2 trillion each year.

I don't suppose there is anything to be gained to factor in the cost of loss of benefits as everybody is stuffed into a one-size-fits-all system or the reduced medical care because many of our healthcare professionals simply won't want to do it anymore and will retire and far fewer healthcare professionals will want to work that hard for as little money as a single payer system would afford so they'll choose some other profession.

And we probably can't put a value on what it will cost us to lose our freedoms, choices, options, and opportunities.

Yeah, good idea there. The great experiment that was the USA isn't appreciated enough to fight for it any more. So let's just give it up and become just another European-like country with a stagnant economy, fewer choices and options, high unemployment, and little chance to improve on that.

But then I'm no math whiz.

But the CBO is and they already scored it as a money saving bill

Sure it is when they use the ever changing numbers fed to them by the Administration and don't include all the stuff left out of the scoring process as was posted earlier today.

 

[Truthmatters]

Nope you just hate the democrats so you claim they are lying about the numbers

 

[Truthmatters]

But the CBO is and they already scored it as a money saving bill

And the useful idiots continue to believe that it will save money. Just like "Medicare" was going to cost $12 billion for the first 10 years - not the $70 Billion it actually cost. Just like we were going to be greeted as liberators in Iraq. Just like everything the government tells you to believe always happens. Useful idiots believe and do as they are programmed to.......

The right claimed the 1993 budget reduction act would distroy the country, The CBO scored it as a great deficit reduction bill.

Guess who was right about that one?

Bush and team claimed the Iraq war would pay for its self.

Guess who was wrong?

 

[skookerasbil]

I heard about this just today.....................


You know what though...........the Democrats have legions and legions of the stupids as consituents. Most in support of this bill can be duped simply by saying, "Weve got to stop these insurance companies!!!!"........and they're right on board. Even members on this board think that this Health Care bill is simply about coverage for an additional 25 million American's.........and most appalling.....think there are no unintended consequences that can effect them, their friends or their families. Its fcukking fascinating...........the level of naive of those who support this bill.

Then of course, there are the committed k00ks who know what this bill is really about = another step towards smashing capitalism in America............another step towards government run everything. The miserable fcukks who hate their own country!!!

 

[WillowTree]

A nice trick of pulling out a multi-billions plan known as "Doc Fix" so that the revised healthcare bill appears to look like it actually reduces the deficit.

Actually, the Democrats are planning on moving ahead with the Doc Fix as soon as the healthcare bill is passed - to the tune of 371 BILLION Dollars.

So much for helping curb the deficit.

These Democrat leaders are outright liars to the American people.

Utterly sickening!

____

EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

Democrats are planning to introduce legislation later this spring that would permanently repeal annual Medicare cuts to doctors, but are warning lawmakers not to talk about it for fear that it will complicate their push to pass comprehensive health reform. The plans undercut the party's message that reform lowers the deficit, according to a memo obtained by POLITICO.

Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game.


EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

I can't remember the last time I caught a damn democrat telling the truth. They wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the ass.

 

[Truthmatters]

A couple of lie lapping bookends you guys are.

 

[Annie]

I heard about this just today.....................


You know what though...........the Democrats have legions and legions of the stupids as consituents. Most in support of this bill can be duped simply by saying, "Weve got to stop these insurance companies!!!!"........and they're right on board. Even members on this board think that this Health Care bill is simply about coverage for an additional 25 million American's.........and most appalling.....think there are no unintended consequences that can effect them, their friends or their families. Its fcukking fascinating...........the level of naive of those who support this bill.

Then of course, there are the committed k00ks who know what this bill is really about = another step towards smashing capitalism in America............another step towards government run everything. The miserable fcukks who hate their own country!!!

It might be funny if they weren't taking the whole country down with them:

Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M - Chicago Breaking Business

Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M
Published on March 19, 2010 7:10 AM | Submit a comment

Dow Jones Newswires | Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House of Representatives would increase the company's health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone.

In a letter Thursday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, Caterpillar urged lawmakers to vote against the plan "because of the substantial cost burdens it would place on our shareholders, employees and retirees."

Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales, said it's particularly opposed to provisions in the bill that would expand Medicare taxes and mandate insurance coverage. The legislation would require nearly all companies to provide health insurance for their employees or face large fines.

The Peoria-based company said these provisions would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.

"We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors," said the letter signed by Gregory Folley, vice president and chief human resources officer of Caterpillar. "We are disappointed that efforts at reform have not addressed the cost concerns we've raised throughout the year."

Business executives have long complained that the options offered for covering 32 million uninsured Americans would result in higher insurance costs for those employers that already provide coverage. Opponents have stepped up their attacks in recent days as the House moves closer toward a vote on the Senate version of the health-care legislation.

A letter Thursday to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed.

Caterpillar noted that the company supports efforts to increase the quality and the value of health care for patients as well as lower costs for employer-sponsored insurance coverage.

"Unfortunately, neither the current legislation in the House and Senate, nor the president's proposal, meets these goals," the letter said.

 

[skookerasbil]

I heard about this just today.....................


You know what though...........the Democrats have legions and legions of the stupids as consituents. Most in support of this bill can be duped simply by saying, "Weve got to stop these insurance companies!!!!"........and they're right on board. Even members on this board think that this Health Care bill is simply about coverage for an additional 25 million American's.........and most appalling.....think there are no unintended consequences that can effect them, their friends or their families. Its fcukking fascinating...........the level of naive of those who support this bill.

Then of course, there are the committed k00ks who know what this bill is really about = another step towards smashing capitalism in America............another step towards government run everything. The miserable fcukks who hate their own country!!!

It might be funny if they weren't taking the whole country down with them:

Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M - Chicago Breaking Business

Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M
Published on March 19, 2010 7:10 AM | Submit a comment

Dow Jones Newswires | Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House of Representatives would increase the company's health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone.

In a letter Thursday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, Caterpillar urged lawmakers to vote against the plan "because of the substantial cost burdens it would place on our shareholders, employees and retirees."

Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales, said it's particularly opposed to provisions in the bill that would expand Medicare taxes and mandate insurance coverage. The legislation would require nearly all companies to provide health insurance for their employees or face large fines.

The Peoria-based company said these provisions would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.

"We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors," said the letter signed by Gregory Folley, vice president and chief human resources officer of Caterpillar. "We are disappointed that efforts at reform have not addressed the cost concerns we've raised throughout the year."

Business executives have long complained that the options offered for covering 32 million uninsured Americans would result in higher insurance costs for those employers that already provide coverage. Opponents have stepped up their attacks in recent days as the House moves closer toward a vote on the Senate version of the health-care legislation.

A letter Thursday to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed.

Caterpillar noted that the company supports efforts to increase the quality and the value of health care for patients as well as lower costs for employer-sponsored insurance coverage.

"Unfortunately, neither the current legislation in the House and Senate, nor the president's proposal, meets these goals," the letter said.

Holy crap Annie. This Obama...........he doesnt even try to conceal that he is picking his winner and losers in America. Its like, "FCUKK YOU..........IM LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD!!!"

 

[skookerasbil]

Hey Annie...........some good news in this Twilight Zone we've been living in for the past 13 months....................

Rasmussen new #'s today...........Obama "Strongly Disapprove" at a new all time high = 44%.



WIN !!!

 

[Zona]

Thanks, I will add this to my list of crazy threads about the healthcare bill before it passes.

Oh and the cbo numbers are lies....LIES I tell you!

If Zona posted, you know it is at least a little crazy.

A nice trick of pulling out a multi-billions plan known as "Doc Fix" so that the revised healthcare bill appears to look like it actually reduces the deficit.

Actually, the Democrats are planning on moving ahead with the Doc Fix as soon as the healthcare bill is passed - to the tune of 371 BILLION Dollars.

So much for helping curb the deficit.

These Democrat leaders are outright liars to the American people.

Utterly sickening!

____

EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform

Democrats are planning to introduce legislation later this spring that would permanently repeal annual Medicare cuts to doctors, but are warning lawmakers not to talk about it for fear that it will complicate their push to pass comprehensive health reform. The plans undercut the party's message that reform lowers the deficit, according to a memo obtained by POLITICO.

Democrats removed the so-called doc fix from the reform legislation last year because its $371-billion price tag would have made it impossible for Democrats to claim that their bill reduces the deficit. Republicans have argued for months that by stripping the doc fix from the bill, Democrats were playing a shell game.


EXCLUSIVE -- Democrats plan doc fix after reform - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com

FAKE FAKE FAKE.....republicans are just sad. Really.

 

[EriktheRed]

FAKE FAKE FAKE.....republicans are just sad. Really.

Wait, do we know this yet?

 

[Sinatra]

The all out assault on free enterprise is astonishing - and very-very troubling...

I heard about this just today.....................


You know what though...........the Democrats have legions and legions of the stupids as consituents. Most in support of this bill can be duped simply by saying, "Weve got to stop these insurance companies!!!!"........and they're right on board. Even members on this board think that this Health Care bill is simply about coverage for an additional 25 million American's.........and most appalling.....think there are no unintended consequences that can effect them, their friends or their families. Its fcukking fascinating...........the level of naive of those who support this bill.

Then of course, there are the committed k00ks who know what this bill is really about = another step towards smashing capitalism in America............another step towards government run everything. The miserable fcukks who hate their own country!!!

It might be funny if they weren't taking the whole country down with them:

Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M - Chicago Breaking Business

Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M
Published on March 19, 2010 7:10 AM | Submit a comment

Dow Jones Newswires | Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House of Representatives would increase the company's health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone.

In a letter Thursday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, Caterpillar urged lawmakers to vote against the plan "because of the substantial cost burdens it would place on our shareholders, employees and retirees."

Caterpillar, the world's largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales, said it's particularly opposed to provisions in the bill that would expand Medicare taxes and mandate insurance coverage. The legislation would require nearly all companies to provide health insurance for their employees or face large fines.

The Peoria-based company said these provisions would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.

"We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors," said the letter signed by Gregory Folley, vice president and chief human resources officer of Caterpillar. "We are disappointed that efforts at reform have not addressed the cost concerns we've raised throughout the year."

Business executives have long complained that the options offered for covering 32 million uninsured Americans would result in higher insurance costs for those employers that already provide coverage. Opponents have stepped up their attacks in recent days as the House moves closer toward a vote on the Senate version of the health-care legislation.

A letter Thursday to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed.

Caterpillar noted that the company supports efforts to increase the quality and the value of health care for patients as well as lower costs for employer-sponsored insurance coverage.

"Unfortunately, neither the current legislation in the House and Senate, nor the president's proposal, meets these goals," the letter said.

Holy crap Annie. This Obama...........he doesnt even try to conceal that he is picking his winner and losers in America. Its like, "FCUKK YOU..........IM LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD!!!"

 

[boedicca]

Key phrase here.

Democrats are planning to introduce legislation...

If it hasn't even been introduced then there's no news to report here. Get back with us when something actually happens.

They do it every year. Pretending it's not going to happen just to cook the CBO score is cynical and dishonest.

 

[The T]

But the CBO is and they already scored it as a money saving bill

And the useful idiots continue to believe that it will save money. Just like "Medicare" was going to cost $12 billion for the first 10 years - not the $70 Billion it actually cost. Just like we were going to be greeted as liberators in Iraq. Just like everything the government tells you to believe always happens. Useful idiots believe and do as they are programmed to.......

And they do so without looking at facts. They belive in their UTOPIA, and *HOW DARE YOU* deny them? *shame Upon you* [/Tongue-In-Cheek]

They won't bother to fact-check that any/EVERY Government is double-Triple original *ESTIMATES*, and why they feel obliged to continue with Taxpayers funds wasted can onlt be attributed to ONE factor...

POWER...their OWN power over the rest of us. That's ALL they care about. Constitution? What the **** is that? A Moldy piece of paper in their view. The Statists have done a great job of producing DUMBASSES...as long as the Dumbasses get their 'Obama Money'.

November can't come too soon.

 

[saveliberty]

Taking it step futher, the medicare savings which account for the deficit positive results has major flaws. First, the savings will not be realized to begin with. Then, $341b. of the savings it being given back to doctors as payback for the AMA's support in the bill. If you figure the bill costs $940b. as scored, add in the savings that will not materialize of $500b. and the doc fix at $341b. This turd of a bill ends up costing $1.781 TRILLION. Over twice what 0bama said he could support.