Zone1 Lawlessness Is Not Compassionate

[rightwinger]

And the first time a politician takes such preaching seriously, you hit the streets screeching about a theocracy. Heck, you guys can't stand a politician taking Christ seriously.

We are talking about teaching theocracy in a church
How is asking someone to show mercy (her words) anti-Christian?

 

[hadit]

We are talking about teaching theocracy in a church
How is asking someone to show mercy (her words) anti-Christian?

It's not, but when you start mixing faith and politics, as you are attempting to do, you guys start hollering about a theocracy and lose your minds.

 

[BreezeWood]

would that be political or economic oppression Breeze?

~S~

religious as well ... than the desert.

what is for one side ...

what in fact is pure evil - for who are religious and not just a desert dwellers day dream - sour sue.

 

[rightwinger]

So is justice and following the Law. I can't expect not only a non-Christian, let alone someone opposed to Christ, to understand. But I can sure expect them to pretend to understand Him.

Simple question…
What would Jesus do?

A man who embraced lepers, prostitutes, fed the poor, healed the sick.

How would he expect society to act towards those fleeing poverty and oppression?

Mercy?

 

[JoeB131]

I suggest further research on the type of birthright citizenship this encompassed.

Established law.

In fact, a Reagan Appointee slapped down this nonsense...

Federal judge puts blocks on Trump's order to end birthright citizenship

A federal judge temporarily blocked President Trump’s executive order to end birthright citizenship, the first legal test for his flurry of immigration actions. Birthright citizenship was enshrined in the Constitution in 1868 and upheld by the Supreme Court in 1898. Washington is one of 22...

www.pbs.org

 

[EvilCat Breath]

His parents had to leave their home because of government tax policy.

It wasn't because Herod declared death to Jewish Children?

The family returned to their home. They didn't demand support from Egypt. They didn't demand medical care, EBT cards or SNAP benefits. They went home.

On that basis, everyone that is here because their King intended to kill them, should now return home.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Simple question…
What would Jesus do?

A man who embraced lepers, prostitutes, fed the poor, healed the sick.

How would he expect society to act towards those fleeing poverty and oppression?

Mercy?

Not for fleeing poverty and oppression. They can alleviate those problems without demanding support from us.

 

[rightwinger]

Not for fleeing poverty and oppression. They can alleviate those problems without demanding support from us.

These people come here looking for work not for a free ride.
The overwhelming majority of these migrants are working and contributing to our society.
These people are overwhelmingly Christians looking for a better life for their families.

Horrible watching fellow Christians like the OP turn on them

 

[hadit]

It wasn't because Herod declared death to Jewish Children?

The family returned to their home. They didn't demand support from Egypt. They didn't demand medical care, EBT cards or SNAP benefits. They went home.

On that basis, everyone that is here because their King intended to kill them, should now return home.

They first had to leave Nazareth when Mary was nearly full-term with Jesus because of tax policy.

 

[Meriweather]

So, Jesus wasn't a migrant at all. He didn't migrate to another country. It was temporary.

Stop playing games. There is migration and there is illegal immigration. Learn the difference.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

They first had to leave Nazareth when Mary was nearly full-term with Jesus because of tax policy.

Not because of tax policy. To pay taxes and be counted in the census.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Stop playing games. There is migration and there is illegal immigration. Learn the difference.

I know the difference and it isn't Jesus.

 

[Meriweather]

These people come here looking for work not for a free ride.
The overwhelming majority of these migrants are working and contributing to our society.
These people are overwhelmingly Christians looking for a better life for their families.

Many do so legally, expecting to support themselves. From another post, it looks like the those working to process legal entries could use a lot more help, which is another problem that should be looked into and addressed. Again, how many illegal immigrants are living in your home, and how many are you working with/for on a daily basis? How many are you personally helping?

 

[Foxfyre]

The claim that Christians are immoral for not wanting our nation filled up with illegal immigrants is ignorant and disingenuous.

From start to finish, the Bible is a book of laws. Jesus Himself said, "Don't think I came to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them."--Matthew 5:17

God is a God of mercy AND of justice. Christians practice this with prison ministry, for example. We minister to criminals while not condoning the crime. We can and will "meet people where they are" without demanding that murder be made legal (?!).

Yet liberals demand we accept illegal immigrants into our nation with free housing, food, education, etc. This is not compassionate; it is lawbreaking. We have a system of asylum that demonstrates compassion WHILE YET upholding the law.

If anyone could present a rational argument as to why this is wrong, rather than just whining and name-calling, I'm all ears.

Yes. And that Episcopal Bishop who politicized the inauguration day sermon pointing out how terrified the migrant, transgendered etc people are at Trump's stated policies (implied), but she didn't mention those who have been terrified, assaulted, battered, raped, murdered, had their possessions stolen by the bad actors among those groups and why those policies are more than reasonable to address that.

I want to gag when I hear/read people who say MAGAs are objecting to a Christian message that was in fact intellectually dishonest. Jesus was nothing if not a high proponent of common sense and intellectual honesty. No citizen who obeys the law has anything whatsoever to fear from Trump or anybody on his team.

 

[rightwinger]

Again, how many illegal immigrants are living in your home, and how many are you working with/for on a daily basis? How many are you personally helping?

What a stupid question, you should be better than this

The solution to the problem needs to be at the Government level. The wealthiest society in the world should be capable of helping those in need.

If someone came to my house asking for help, I would help them. I would hope that real Christians would do the same and not call the police and have them deported

 

[SweetSue92]

Simple question…
What would Jesus do?

A man who embraced lepers, prostitutes, fed the poor, healed the sick.

How would he expect society to act towards those fleeing poverty and oppression?

Mercy?

Jesus would likely not put illegal immigrant children in schools already disadvantaged, esp since those children need so much MORE than American children.

In fact, Jesus, here is the Jesus you imagine is a raving liberal:

He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”--Matthew 15:26

 

[SweetSue92]

We are talking about teaching theocracy in a church
How is asking someone to show mercy (her words) anti-Christian?

That's not even close to theology. What?!?

 

[SweetSue92]

What a stupid question, you should be better than this

The solution to the problem needs to be at the Government level. The wealthiest society in the world should be capable of helping those in need.

If someone came to my house asking for help, I would help them. I would hope that real Christians would do the same and not call the police and have them deported

By your reasoning, if someone comes to your house and steals your stuff, you should just live with it. The person needs compassion and you had stuff to steal.

So,

How many people would be allow to steal from your home?

 

[alang1216]

We are to help those who are closest to us. In other words, if I brought my child illegally into another country, it is I who have the obligation to ensure my child is fed, housed, and educated. My obligation is not to toss my child at the federal government for a government to feed, house, and educate my child. That is my responsibility. The government responsibility is protection of the country; transportation within the country; trade with other countries. The government has its responsibilities. Individuals have theirs.

I agree with everything you wrote but what happens to that sinless child if the parents are unable or unwilling to properly provide?

 

[Foxfyre]

What a stupid question, you should be better than this

The solution to the problem needs to be at the Government level. The wealthiest society in the world should be capable of helping those in need.

If someone came to my house asking for help, I would help them. I would hope that real Christians would do the same and not call the police and have them deported

So you take all those asking for help into your house, provide them cash, food, clothing, beds, transportation, make sure they have cell phones, do not require them to be checked out for communicable diseases, allow them to take time and resources from your children, and if they steal from you or worse that's okay because you're a good Christian. Good for you and your Christian conscience.

Meanwhile you impoverish yourself so that you are far less able to help the next group that shows up asking for/demanding help. But hey you still have space for them to sleep on the floor here and there. And their quality of life will be better than the place from which they came?

Somehow I think that is not at all what Christian teaching is. Nor Old Testament teachings. The old proverb "A fool and his money are soon parted" almost certainly applies to societies/countries as much as individuals.