Zone1 Lawlessness Is Not Compassionate

[rightwinger]

Ahhhhh.... I really hate when my fellow libs make this argument.

First and foremost, it's almost certainly a myth. There's no evidence that the "Slaughter of the Innocents" ever happened. It only appears in the Gospel of Matthew, a guy who was notorious for making stuff up to make Jesus' life comport with his garbled understanding of previous scripture.

The Gospel of Luke tells a completely different story about why Mary was in Bethlehem that day. Quirinius (or Cyreneus) ordered a census of Iudea as a Roman Province. (This was ten years after the death of Herod, when the Romans annexed Iudea after Herod Archelous turned out to be a complete knob.

It is a myth that Christians embrace while they turn away those seeking help

Whatever the reasons, Jesus was a migrant

 

[Meriweather]

So if a child is brought to this country illegally, we have an obligation to ensure that child is fed, housed, and educated?

We are to help those who are closest to us. In other words, if I brought my child illegally into another country, it is I who have the obligation to ensure my child is fed, housed, and educated. My obligation is not to toss my child at the federal government for a government to feed, house, and educate my child. That is my responsibility. The government responsibility is protection of the country; transportation within the country; trade with other countries. The government has its responsibilities. Individuals have theirs.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yet liberals demand we accept illegal immigrants ...

sour sue, the desert dwellers use deceit and lies to bolster their demonic apparitions that otherwise would never see the lite of day or a legitimacy those people are unable to accomplish by their own means.

 

[Meriweather]

Trump wants to abolish birthright citizenship, something that has been recognized as "the law" for 126 years.

I suggest further research on the type of birthright citizenship this encompassed.

 

[rightwinger]

But...Jesus did not flee for his life.

Second, I applaud that you must be taking in suffering illegal immigrants and feeding and healing them. What I don't applaud is your placing this burden on everyone else. Remember, we are required first to care for those in our family and neighborhoods. We don't abandon them to care first for outsiders.

I thought you were a better Christian than this
A Christian should stand for Christian values regardless of current migration laws

 

[Meriweather]

Whatever the reasons, Jesus was a migrant

Who returned to his native country.

 

[rightwinger]

She used her pulpit to make a political statement and berate him. She will answer for that, because her sole job is to make Christ known and glorify HIM.

How is a Christian asking for mercy berating someone?
Trump was in church pretending to be Christian
He should expect to be preached Christian values
Mercy is one of those

 

[Lisa558]

The claim that Christians are immoral for not wanting our nation filled up with illegal immigrants is ignorant and disingenuous.

From start to finish, the Bible is a book of laws. Jesus Himself said, "Don't think I came to abolish the law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish these things but to fulfill them."--Matthew 5:17

God is a God of mercy AND of justice. Christians practice this with prison ministry, for example. We minister to criminals while not condoning the crime. We can and will "meet people where they are" without demanding that murder be made legal (?!).

Yet liberals demand we accept illegal immigrants into our nation with free housing, food, education, etc. This is not compassionate; it is lawbreaking. We have a system of asylum that demonstrates compassion WHILE YET upholding the law.

If anyone could present a rational argument as to why this is wrong, rather than just whining and name-calling, I'm all ears.

It also harms American citizens, mostly the working class, by ruining their schools, lowering their property values, raising rents due to higher demand, and suppressing wages due to higher supply.

 

[hadit]

Jesus was a migrant

Jesus and his parents fled to Egypt to escape King Herod's persecution and the genocide of baby boys in Bethlehem.

Actually, they migrated first because of government tax policy.

 

[Lisa558]

sour sue, the desert dwellers use deceit and lies to bolster their demonic apparitions that otherwise would never see the lite of day or a legitimacy those people are unable to accomplish by their own means.

How in the world do you find a way to work your antisemitism into this thread? BTW, we “desert dwellers” turned arid land in a flourishing landscape.

 

[hadit]

How is a Christian asking for mercy berating someone?
Trump was in church pretending to be Christian
He should expect to be preached Christian values
Mercy is one of those

And the first time a politician takes such preaching seriously, you hit the streets screeching about a theocracy. Heck, you guys can't stand a politician taking Christ seriously.

 

[BreezeWood]

I suggest further research on the type of birthright citizenship this encompassed.

the christian begs for all previous slaves to be returned to their native africa, as to abolish their birth rite - and rekindle the flames of the civil war.

 

[Meriweather]

I thought you were a better Christian than this
A Christian should stand for Christian values regardless of current migration laws

The "better Christian" is loving, caring, compassionate, and helpful to those who cross her path. I am thinking because of my career, that includes many more illegal immigrants than you meet.

This does not mean better Christians favor open borders. Why? Because open borders limit the kind of care I can give not only to illegal immigrants but to citizens of my country. God did not say, "Just give who you are working with a crumb, and quickly move on to give person and quickly offer them a crumb...hurry, hurry, hurry--and with never enough time or enough crumbs."

 

[Meriweather]

How is a Christian asking for mercy berating someone?
Trump was in church pretending to be Christian
He should expect to be preached Christian values
Mercy is one of those

Another Christian teaching: Pick up your cross and follow me. There is no wish to punish any of the people the bishop was speaking about, therefore mercy to them isn't even an issue.

 

[BreezeWood]

How in the world do you find a way to work your antisemitism into this thread? BTW, we “desert dwellers” turned arid land in a flourishing landscape.

this thread is racist pandering as you claim no different than apartheid religions - those who are religious would oppose.

those fleeing oppression caused by this country should be given immediate access and other obligatory considerations is what many are demanding.

 

[SweetSue92]

How is a Christian asking for mercy berating someone?
Trump was in church pretending to be Christian
He should expect to be preached Christian values
Mercy is one of those

So is justice and following the Law. I can't expect not only a non-Christian, let alone someone opposed to Christ, to understand. But I can sure expect them to pretend to understand Him.

 

[sparky]

those fleeing oppression caused by this country should be given immediate access and other obligatory considerations is what many are demanding.

would that be political or economic oppression Breeze?

~S~

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Who returned to his native country.

So, Jesus wasn't a migrant at all. He didn't migrate to another country. It was temporary.

 

[SweetSue92]

I don't see it so much as dealing with Liberals, as dealing with Theorists. In theory, wouldn't it be nice to welcome all the poor into our nation. Let's open the borders. These Theorists are not the same as the practitioners who now have to deal with the fall-out of their theory while they remain above it all because the doing it not their problem. It is now ours.

We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much with so little for so long, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

From a substitute teacher's point of view, here is my reality. Classrooms are over-crowded. They include a handful of students who do not speak English. Naturally, we do not have a handful of translators for all these different languages there to help. In presenting any given lesson, there are always a few students, speaking English, who need additional help understanding. However, I have others who need even more help understanding what I even said. (Sign language and having students who understand lend a hand as well. Which means they can't work on their own assignment as they are busy helping. And, while helping is good, they are losing time when they should be working on their own lesson.) Add in discipline problems inherent in crowded classrooms...well you get the idea.

I think all these Theorists should know why their student is not getting the education/help to which they are entitled. These Theorists should know why too many great teachers are leaving their chosen career. While Theorists are patting themselves on the back for lifting burdens from illegal immigrants, they are blind to the fact that they are placing unbearable burdens to those in every profession, every walk of life in their own country, while they are happily skipping above the mess they created for others.

That's the problem with Theorists. While they may clearly see a true problem, they are utterly blind to the true problems they are heaping on their own country's citizens that they obviously feel they are above lending a hand with.

This is one of the best posts I have read here in a very long time. I wish I could hit that brilliant button about a dozen times.

You put it as "Theorists" and I love that. I often say, "This isn't Heaven yet"....meaning thinking in Utopian terms is fun, but here in the real world, there is always a benefit/cost analysis that must be done.

Everyone read this post!

 

[hadit]

So, Jesus wasn't a migrant at all. He didn't migrate to another country. It was temporary.

His parents had to leave their home because of government tax policy.