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True. And the left wish it never existed.The AK47So tell the class what socialist nations are famous for contributing to civilization.Wrong I have read Marx and understand him better and no they are not socialist at all. Coops are strictly voluntary.Wrong.
It is you lacking comprehension of what socialism means and you have failed to challenge what history conclusively demonstrates.
A coop is not socialist in nature as it is strictly voluntary. Socialism is applied through government force and is never voluntary which is the flaw in yourt premise and in your weak thinking.
About "A coop is not socialist in nature as it is strictly voluntary", it must be nice to be so smart, and yet, never have read the actual writings of Karl Marx. By Marx's definition, they are socialist. Plus, America's most noted Marxist economist, Richard Wolff, who has economics degrees from Harvard, Stanford, and Yale, also says they are socialist organizations.
Frankly, you are clueless! Read Marx, he was advocating bringing democracy to the workplace. As it is now, your boss is the dictator!
they are voluntary and nothing about socialism is voluntary according to Marx which you clearly never read. Which proves you a liar.
Marx demanded dictatorship and despotism to impose the classless, egalitarian, socialist utopia he envisioned. He never once advocated democracy.
Sorry but the ploy you are trying is a failure which many people who defend Marx try to use and fail at ,
You are not better informed or enlightened about what he wrote and you are dead wrong as proven by his very writing.
A marxist economist is by definition a fool with no credibility so you are proven wrong by Marx.
First, socialism may be voluntary - as in farmer coops - or they may be mandatory - as in Social Security.
About "Marx demanded dictatorship and despotism to impose", I challenge you to find a quote by Karl Marx that says this. You can't, because Marx wrote no such thing.
While you are looking for that quote, let me help you with a definition of socialism. This definition comes from economist Richard Wolff, the foremost Marxist economist in America. Notice, he called this the "Marxian framework."
(Quote from Prof. Wolff)
Socialism in the Marxian framework of analysis, refers to how production is organized. It means that the workers whose labor generates a surplus (an excess above what the workers themselves get back out of their output for their own consumption) are also identically the collective of persons who receive and distribute that surplus.
(End quote)
That clearly describes a farmer cooperative!!!!!!!!!!!
Capitalism has electricity, the light bulb, cars, trains, walking on the moon, planes, recording of music, telephones, radio, supersonic flight.
What have socialist nations provided? Besides radioactive lakes?