Late Stage Socialism: Venezuela Kidnaps Chevron Execs

[Weatherman2020]

One has nothing to do with the other.

Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela.

Since you cannot your claim is childishly naive and the disaster in Venezuela is strictly the fault of their socialist dictatorship

First, the term "socialist dictatorship", at least according to Marx, is an oxymoron. About "Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela", I did and you missed it. But again, try the article "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government."

CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government

Oh and how does one change a foreign government so we may know what to look out for.

Well, if you want to know "how does one change a foreign government", you can start with the article, "Kermit Roosevelt; Arranged Iran Coup", which is about Pres. Teddy Roosevelt's grandson Kermit, and what he did in Iran.

Kermit Roosevelt; Arranged Iran Coup

Ah, a single man overthrew a government.
How interesting to look at the world of a moonbat.

Your response of "Ah, a single man overthrew a government", is just a denial of history. And no, he did not do it by himself. He had lots of money from the US government!

Please get serious, and do not deny a historical event that can be found in numerous sources.

I assume the CIA who had the oil execs kidnapped by the Venezuelan government.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And ironically, in the other Worker's Paradise in our hemisphere, the Cubans have "elected" their next President for Life, and the Leftist MSM is positively effusive in praising the regime because the new Dictator In Waiting is not named "Castro"!

Nobody in Cuba wants to move to Honduras or Guatemala. Cubans have food, medicine and schools.

Cubans get shot if they try to leave, Dufus.

I was making a comparison between the quality of life in Cuba and the neighboring countries with no socialism at all. Pay attention! I see the problems your teachers had with you.

Read this slowly.
People from Honduras immigrate freely to obtain better opportunities.

People from Cuba immigrate under the threat of death to escape going to prison for making a penny more than $15 a day.

 

[danielpalos]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

I believe we need an, Engineers of the Guard corp, to bailout Puerto Rico, for practice.

 

[August West]

And ironically, in the other Worker's Paradise in our hemisphere, the Cubans have "elected" their next President for Life, and the Leftist MSM is positively effusive in praising the regime because the new Dictator In Waiting is not named "Castro"!

Nobody in Cuba wants to move to Honduras or Guatemala. Cubans have food, medicine and schools.

Cubans get shot if they try to leave, Dufus.

I was making a comparison between the quality of life in Cuba and the neighboring countries with no socialism at all. Pay attention! I see the problems your teachers had with you.

Read this slowly.
People from Honduras immigrate freely to obtain better opportunities.

People from Cuba immigrate under the threat of death to escape going to prison for making a penny more than $15 a day.

Why would anyone want to leave that Capitalistic paradise Honduras? You`re avoiding the topic weatherman.

 

[Weatherman2020]

And ironically, in the other Worker's Paradise in our hemisphere, the Cubans have "elected" their next President for Life, and the Leftist MSM is positively effusive in praising the regime because the new Dictator In Waiting is not named "Castro"!

Nobody in Cuba wants to move to Honduras or Guatemala. Cubans have food, medicine and schools.

Cubans get shot if they try to leave, Dufus.

I was making a comparison between the quality of life in Cuba and the neighboring countries with no socialism at all. Pay attention! I see the problems your teachers had with you.

Read this slowly.
People from Honduras immigrate freely to obtain better opportunities.

People from Cuba immigrate under the threat of death to escape going to prison for making a penny more than $15 a day.

Why would anyone want to leave that Capitalistic paradise Honduras? You`re avoiding the topic weatherman.

Same reason people from every nation wants to move here and leftists never move out - America is the greatest nation on the planet.

 

[August West]

Nobody in Cuba wants to move to Honduras or Guatemala. Cubans have food, medicine and schools.

Cubans get shot if they try to leave, Dufus.

I was making a comparison between the quality of life in Cuba and the neighboring countries with no socialism at all. Pay attention! I see the problems your teachers had with you.

Read this slowly.
People from Honduras immigrate freely to obtain better opportunities.

People from Cuba immigrate under the threat of death to escape going to prison for making a penny more than $15 a day.

Why would anyone want to leave that Capitalistic paradise Honduras? You`re avoiding the topic weatherman.

Same reason people from every nation wants to move here and leftists never move out - America is the greatest nation on the planet.

Good grief. I too once believed America was the greatest nation on earth but that was 1960 and I was 7 years old.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

OF course it would have nothing to do with the same failures which socialism always demonstrates.

But I will take your bet.

Provide some evidence.

To say "the same failures which socialism always demonstrates" only demonstrates that you do not know what is happening. The number one socialist organization in America is the numerous "farmer cooperatives", and they are going strong. The largest socialist corporation in the world is the Mondragon Corporation of Spain, and it has been going strong since the 1950s.

Wrong.

It is you lacking comprehension of what socialism means and you have failed to challenge what history conclusively demonstrates.

A coop is not socialist in nature as it is strictly voluntary. Socialism is applied through government force and is never voluntary which is the flaw in yourt premise and in your weak thinking.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

OF course it would have nothing to do with the same failures which socialism always demonstrates.

But I will take your bet.

Provide some evidence.

The almighty CIA that brings nations to it's knees.

Good thing the Soviets nor Chicoms never had a government agency to oppose capitalism in America!

About "The almighty CIA that brings nations to it's knees", you should read the article "The U.S. tried to change other countries’ governments 72 times during the Cold War."

Analysis | The U.S. tried to change other countries’ governments 72 times during the Cold War

When I have time sure but it is opinion only and is not evidence of the CIA causing the failure of socialism in Venezuela.

This thread is about the massive proven monstrosity and failure of socialism in Venezuela it is not about you whining about past misdeeds in other nations.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility of course

About "Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility", all people and governments are responsible. Yet, America has never taken responsibility for what it has done in South and Central America. Or maybe you are proud of the way Reagan supported "death Squads" in Central America.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela.

Since you cannot your claim is childishly naive and the disaster in Venezuela is strictly the fault of their socialist dictatorship

First, the term "socialist dictatorship", at least according to Marx, is an oxymoron. About "Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela", I did and you missed it. But again, try the article "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government."

CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government

No I did not and you provided none at all.

A hint is not evidence it is interpretation.

Marx preferred other dictatorships it is true but his work does not define dictatorship or socialism.

 

[Soupnazi630]

One has nothing to do with the other.

Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela.

Since you cannot your claim is childishly naive and the disaster in Venezuela is strictly the fault of their socialist dictatorship

First, the term "socialist dictatorship", at least according to Marx, is an oxymoron. About "Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela", I did and you missed it. But again, try the article "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government."

CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government

Oh and how does one change a foreign government so we may know what to look out for.

Well, if you want to know "how does one change a foreign government", you can start with the article, "Kermit Roosevelt; Arranged Iran Coup", which is about Pres. Teddy Roosevelt's grandson Kermit, and what he did in Iran.

Kermit Roosevelt; Arranged Iran Coup

Ah, a single man overthrew a government.
How interesting to look at the world of a moonbat.

Your response of "Ah, a single man overthrew a government", is just a denial of history. And no, he did not do it by himself. He had lots of money from the US government!

Please get serious, and do not deny a historical event that can be found in numerous sources.

Your entire claim is denial of evidence and merely an attempt to derail.

You have no evidence numerous or otherwise.

 

[EGR one]

Some pictures of our great depression due to capitalism run amuck. Happens often but the capitalists always get a bailout from the government they profess to hate.

pictures of depression era america - Google Search:

The Depression was a worldwide event, dufus, affecting every form of government on the planet.

Your ignorance is amazing.

Yes, the depression was worldwide, because capitalism was world wide!

After the 1929 crash, Roosevelt regulated the economy - as in the Glass-Steagall Act. The rich hated the regulations and set about undoing the regulations. Fast forward to 2008, and unregulated capitalism crashes the economy - and again, it was a worldwide crash!

Shitforbrains thinks the USSR was capitalist.

No, you don't understand! The Soviet Union failed for the same reason the US economy is now failing. In Russia, a few people - in the communist party - made all of the economic decision, and did so for their personal benefit. This lead to a disaster.

In the US, a few people - on the board of directors - make all of the economic decisions, and do so for their personal benefit. This will lead to the same disaster.

Corporate boards do not make my economic decisions, nor do they make the economic decisions of 300 million plus other Americans. Your ignorance of capitalism is only surpassed by your willingness to share it with the rest of us.

I, like most Americans only deal with a corporation when we consider it in our self interest to do so. Consequently, whatever the corporate board decides, has little to no effect on our well being.

While I fully agree that corporate influence has way to much influence on our political system, corporations will cease to exist if they do not cater to the wants of American consumers.

 

[EGR one]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility of course

About "Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility", all people and governments are responsible. Yet, America has never taken responsibility for what it has done in South and Central America. Or maybe you are proud of the way Reagan supported "death Squads" in Central America.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela.

Since you cannot your claim is childishly naive and the disaster in Venezuela is strictly the fault of their socialist dictatorship

First, the term "socialist dictatorship", at least according to Marx, is an oxymoron. About "Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela", I did and you missed it. But again, try the article "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government."

CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government

Venezuela has already collapsed, and it is definitely time for regime change while there are still Venezuelan citizens who have not yet starved to death. You reached for a straw, and you missed.

 

[EGR one]

Cubans get shot if they try to leave, Dufus.

I was making a comparison between the quality of life in Cuba and the neighboring countries with no socialism at all. Pay attention! I see the problems your teachers had with you.

Read this slowly.
People from Honduras immigrate freely to obtain better opportunities.

People from Cuba immigrate under the threat of death to escape going to prison for making a penny more than $15 a day.

Why would anyone want to leave that Capitalistic paradise Honduras? You`re avoiding the topic weatherman.

Same reason people from every nation wants to move here and leftists never move out - America is the greatest nation on the planet.

Good grief. I too once believed America was the greatest nation on earth but that was 1960 and I was 7 years old.

Then, why are you still here?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Cubans get shot if they try to leave, Dufus.

I was making a comparison between the quality of life in Cuba and the neighboring countries with no socialism at all. Pay attention! I see the problems your teachers had with you.

Read this slowly.
People from Honduras immigrate freely to obtain better opportunities.

People from Cuba immigrate under the threat of death to escape going to prison for making a penny more than $15 a day.

Why would anyone want to leave that Capitalistic paradise Honduras? You`re avoiding the topic weatherman.

Same reason people from every nation wants to move here and leftists never move out - America is the greatest nation on the planet.

Good grief. I too once believed America was the greatest nation on earth but that was 1960 and I was 7 years old.

You have to have an extended university visit to learn to be so stupid to think some other nation is greater than the USA.

 

[August West]

I was making a comparison between the quality of life in Cuba and the neighboring countries with no socialism at all. Pay attention! I see the problems your teachers had with you.

Read this slowly.
People from Honduras immigrate freely to obtain better opportunities.

People from Cuba immigrate under the threat of death to escape going to prison for making a penny more than $15 a day.

Why would anyone want to leave that Capitalistic paradise Honduras? You`re avoiding the topic weatherman.

Same reason people from every nation wants to move here and leftists never move out - America is the greatest nation on the planet.

Good grief. I too once believed America was the greatest nation on earth but that was 1960 and I was 7 years old.

Then, why are you still here?

I`m here because my wife doesn`t want to be separated from our adult children. If not for them we would have been in Canada or Costa Rica by now. Any other questions? This isn`t the worst country in the world and neither is it the best.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

First, the term "socialist dictatorship", at least according to Marx, is an oxymoron. About "Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela", I did and you missed it. But again, try the article "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government."

CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government

Oh and how does one change a foreign government so we may know what to look out for.

Well, if you want to know "how does one change a foreign government", you can start with the article, "Kermit Roosevelt; Arranged Iran Coup", which is about Pres. Teddy Roosevelt's grandson Kermit, and what he did in Iran.

Kermit Roosevelt; Arranged Iran Coup

Ah, a single man overthrew a government.
How interesting to look at the world of a moonbat.

Your response of "Ah, a single man overthrew a government", is just a denial of history. And no, he did not do it by himself. He had lots of money from the US government!

Please get serious, and do not deny a historical event that can be found in numerous sources.

I assume the CIA who had the oil execs kidnapped by the Venezuelan government.

About "assume the CIA", you may assume whatever you like. Regarding "oil execs" and the "Venezuelan government", given the track record of exploitation and pollution from the oil companies, you should not assume the oil execs are some innocent nice guys. They are certainly not viewed that way in much in Central and South America.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

OF course it would have nothing to do with the same failures which socialism always demonstrates.

But I will take your bet.

Provide some evidence.

To say "the same failures which socialism always demonstrates" only demonstrates that you do not know what is happening. The number one socialist organization in America is the numerous "farmer cooperatives", and they are going strong. The largest socialist corporation in the world is the Mondragon Corporation of Spain, and it has been going strong since the 1950s.

Wrong.

It is you lacking comprehension of what socialism means and you have failed to challenge what history conclusively demonstrates.

A coop is not socialist in nature as it is strictly voluntary. Socialism is applied through government force and is never voluntary which is the flaw in yourt premise and in your weak thinking.

About "A coop is not socialist in nature as it is strictly voluntary", it must be nice to be so smart, and yet, never have read the actual writings of Karl Marx. By Marx's definition, they are socialist. Plus, America's most noted Marxist economist, Richard Wolff, who has economics degrees from Harvard, Stanford, and Yale, also says they are socialist organizations.

Frankly, you are clueless! Read Marx, he was advocating bringing democracy to the workplace. As it is now, your boss is the dictator!

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Bite the hand.

Chevron said on Tuesday two of its executives were arrested in Venezuela, a rare move likely to spook foreign energy firms still operating in the OPEC nation stricken by hyperinflation, shortages and crime. […]

I think the word is “kidnapped”.

The arrests highlight risks for foreign firms in Venezuela. Some insiders say a fracturing ruling elite is using the purge to wage turf wars or settle scores.


Venezuela arrests two Chevron executives amid oil purge

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

OF course it would have nothing to do with the same failures which socialism always demonstrates.

But I will take your bet.

Provide some evidence.

The almighty CIA that brings nations to it's knees.

Good thing the Soviets nor Chicoms never had a government agency to oppose capitalism in America!

About "The almighty CIA that brings nations to it's knees", you should read the article "The U.S. tried to change other countries’ governments 72 times during the Cold War."

Analysis | The U.S. tried to change other countries’ governments 72 times during the Cold War

When I have time sure but it is opinion only and is not evidence of the CIA causing the failure of socialism in Venezuela.

This thread is about the massive proven monstrosity and failure of socialism in Venezuela it is not about you whining about past misdeeds in other nations.

About "whining about past misdeeds in other nations", well, someone needs to write about them, because you seem to be blind to the truth.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Some pictures of our great depression due to capitalism run amuck. Happens often but the capitalists always get a bailout from the government they profess to hate.

pictures of depression era america - Google Search:

The Depression was a worldwide event, dufus, affecting every form of government on the planet.

Your ignorance is amazing.

Yes, the depression was worldwide, because capitalism was world wide!

After the 1929 crash, Roosevelt regulated the economy - as in the Glass-Steagall Act. The rich hated the regulations and set about undoing the regulations. Fast forward to 2008, and unregulated capitalism crashes the economy - and again, it was a worldwide crash!

Shitforbrains thinks the USSR was capitalist.

No, you don't understand! The Soviet Union failed for the same reason the US economy is now failing. In Russia, a few people - in the communist party - made all of the economic decision, and did so for their personal benefit. This lead to a disaster.

In the US, a few people - on the board of directors - make all of the economic decisions, and do so for their personal benefit. This will lead to the same disaster.

Corporate boards do not make my economic decisions, nor do they make the economic decisions of 300 million plus other Americans. Your ignorance of capitalism is only surpassed by your willingness to share it with the rest of us.

I, like most Americans only deal with a corporation when we consider it in our self interest to do so. Consequently, whatever the corporate board decides, has little to no effect on our well being.

While I fully agree that corporate influence has way to much influence on our political system, corporations will cease to exist if they do not cater to the wants of American consumers.

You have got to be joking with this line, "Corporate boards do not make my economic decisions." Yes, they do! When Wal-Mart comes into your community and forces local businesses to close, they are making your economic decisions.

And one more, since 2001, the U.S. has lost more than 60,000 factories, because they moved to other countries. Every move was a decision made by the Board of Directors. And I could go on and on!

Then you reverse your position with "While I fully agree that corporate influence (in politics)." Oh, and you think corporations being in politics has nothing what so ever to do with "economic decisions!" You are approaching the absurd!

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

No surprise Venezuela has problems! You can bet that the CIA and others are working, from both inside and outside of the country, to screw over the government - as in "regime change."

Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility of course

About "Chavez and Maduro bear no responsibility", all people and governments are responsible. Yet, America has never taken responsibility for what it has done in South and Central America. Or maybe you are proud of the way Reagan supported "death Squads" in Central America.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela.

Since you cannot your claim is childishly naive and the disaster in Venezuela is strictly the fault of their socialist dictatorship

First, the term "socialist dictatorship", at least according to Marx, is an oxymoron. About "Provide evidence that CIA is attempting regime change in Venezuela", I did and you missed it. But again, try the article "CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government."

CIA chief hints agency is working to change Venezuelan government

Venezuela has already collapsed, and it is definitely time for regime change while there are still Venezuelan citizens who have not yet starved to death. You reached for a straw, and you missed.

About, "Venezuela has already collapsed, and it is definitely time for regime change", if it is time, the problem is America will not let the people of Venezuela decide for themselves. Why, because America wants American corporations to control the oil in that country. The people of Venezuela want public ownership of the oil so that the benefits can go to the country as a whole. America's capitalism finds that abhorrent!

And about, "Venezuelan citizens who have not yet starved to death", if they are starving, you should explain why we are adding to their misery with sanctions against the country. You should explain how the "Christian nation" that America calls itself has decided to kick these people when they are down.