Late news on how Putin is faring

[Correll]

They are always dying in thousands. In the case of a good war, they are dying in millions, in the case of a bad war - people are dying in billions. Right now we definitely don't have mortality rate even of a "normally good war".
Right now drug dealers are killing and cripple more Americans than Europeans kill Russians.

I don't deny that America has serious problems. THey are not likely to be an issue fast enough to help you in this war. If ever.

You are dying NOW. Hoping we have issues in the future... that is not a plan. That is a sad wish.

It wasn't "empty", it was populated by Indians and Mexicans. Anyway. We are neither Canada nor Mexico. You do fight wars against other countries. Right now you are violating sea laws, by sinking civilian ships in high seas based only on your suspicions. And you already violated and/or cancelled a lot of treaties signed with Russia.
Neither Putin, nor anybody else, can't sell Russians a deal with "lawless, chaotic, evil" Americans (especially led by a red-head) based exclusively on trust.

It was mostly empty.

Sea laws? Like you said, we have an issue with drugs that is killing our people. We are dealing with it. Or at least starting to.

You sorry we are killing drug dealers? My understanding is that russia is pretty harsh themselves with such people. You don't hear us whining about that. It is ... kind of desperate sounding to hear you trying to turn that around.,

 

[Zavulon]

I don't deny that America has serious problems. THey are not likely to be an issue fast enough to help you in this war. If ever.

It depends. But mostly my idea is simple. If you want solve your inner problems, you need a good, lasting, reliable peace. If you have both inner problems and foreign problems, they can mutually increase each other and you'll face a perfect storm without possible good solutions.

You are dying NOW.

People are always dying. That's the human nature (unless you have some kind of immortality potion here). And if we allow NATO keep forces in Eastern Europe - much more of us will die pretty soon.

Hoping we have issues in the future... that is not a plan. That is a sad wish.

No. We are preventing having us issues in the future.

It was mostly empty.

Sea laws? Like you said, we have an issue with drugs that is killing our people. We are dealing with it. Or at least starting to.

I don't say that you shouldn't have to do it. I just say it is illegal.

You sorry we are killing drug dealers?

No, I'm not. Every man is responsible for his life (both Mexican drug dealers and American pirates). It is not about being good or bad. It is about following certain rules. Let's play a game. There is a drug dealer (poor black pusher) in your neighborhood. Everyone knows him. Now, your other neighbour, invite him in his house (as if for buying some drugs), shoot him in his head and tell police that there was "breaking and entering". Of course he made the town better (at least cleaner), but will you trust him more or less? If, after this, he invites you in his house to drink some whiskey and talk about selling some books and paintings (which you suppose to bring with you) - will you come in his house and drink his whiskey, or insist to meet him somewhere on neutral ground?

My understanding is that russia is pretty harsh themselves with such people.

Its not about being harsh or nice. It is about being trustworthy or not trustworthy. Here is strong opinion that Americans are untrustworthy. And Americans do everything to prove it.

You don't hear us whining about that. It is ... kind of desperate sounding to hear you trying to turn that around.,

Sorry for my language. I'm not whining. I just explain you my point of view, why there is no and can't be any practical peace deal. First of all, because Americans are untrustworthy. Sometimes you work for your reputation, all other time your reputation is working for you.
And if you show here a video of people drinking $100-worth pack of alcohol "for the health of Master Zavulon" (for you previous unsuccessful prognostication) I could trust you a bit more. But I'm almost sure you won't, because $100 is more important for you than reputation of Americans.

 

[AlexanderPK]

I didn't follow that.

You didn't follow yet you're claiming that:
"You're stuck in a meatgrinder and it is killing you and you can't seem to see a way out." How so?

 

[Correll]

It depends. But mostly my idea is simple. If you want solve your inner problems, you need a good, lasting, reliable peace. If you have both inner problems and foreign problems, they can mutually increase each other and you'll face a perfect storm without possible good solutions.

I want peace. But not at the cost of letting you crush Ukraine. Sorry. I would not have gotten involved, but we ARE involved now, so...

This is where we are at.

People are always dying. That's the human nature (unless you have some kind of immortality potion here). And if we allow NATO keep forces in Eastern Europe - much more of us will die pretty soon.

You will be fine. NATO is a defensive alliance. THe more aggressive you are, the more you help maintain it.

If you had not invaded ukraine, do you think Trump would be browbeating the europeans into spending more, or do you think that trump and the europeans would be drifting apart rapidly?

YOU are saving NATO.

No. We are preventing having us issues in the future.


I don't say that you shouldn't have to do it. I just say it is illegal.

A Russia whining about international law. That is hilarious.

I don't give a ****. Neither do you. So... moving on.

No, I'm not. Every man is responsible for his life (both Mexican drug dealers and American pirates). It is not about being good or bad. It is about following certain rules. Let's play a game. There is a drug dealer (poor black pusher) in your neighborhood. Everyone knows him. Now, your other neighbour, invite him in his house (as if for buying some drugs), shoot him in his head and tell police that there was "breaking and entering". Of course he made the town better (at least cleaner), but will you trust him more or less? If, after this, he invites you in his house to drink some whiskey and talk about selling some books and paintings (which you suppose to bring with you) - will you come in his house and drink his whiskey, or insist to meet him somewhere on neutral ground?

I have no reason to think that a man who has issues with a drug dealer, would have issues with me.

My reaction would depend on what else I know of the guy.

Its not about being harsh or nice. It is about being trustworthy or not trustworthy. Here is strong opinion that Americans are untrustworthy. And Americans do everything to prove it.


Sorry for my language. I'm not whining. I just explain you my point of view, why there is no and can't be any practical peace deal. First of all, because Americans are untrustworthy. Sometimes you work for your reputation, all other time your reputation is working for you.
And if you show here a video of people drinking $100-worth pack of alcohol "for the health of Master Zavulon" (for you previous unsuccessful prognostication) I could trust you a bit more. But I'm almost sure you won't, because $100 is more important for you than reputation of Americans.

It really isn't about trust. It is about the fact that you can't afford these losses.

 

[Correll]

You didn't follow yet you're claiming that:
"You're stuck in a meatgrinder and it is killing you and you can't seem to see a way out." How so?

You are losing men and materials, in a war that has already gone on far longer than expected, with no end in sight.

It has already devestaged your fighting age men and your supplies and you are straining to continue.

And the most likely outcome of continuing is just more dead, more cost and not victory any time soon.


That's a meatgrinder.

 

[JWBooth]

You will be fine. NATO is a defensive alliance.

The Serbs would like to have a word with you about that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Hey, dreamer, who's not the only one, what was it this time? The giant ants or the cockroaches from the planet BETA III whom Americans overcame a second before the spaceship was about to habitually explode?

Another Russian freak

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Serbs would like to have a word with you about that.

I think you mean, the Yugoslavians, who were in Serbia performing ethnic cleansing.

 

[AlexanderPK]

Man, you've got a talent for answering questions never asked. Where do you get that shit from so that I could look and, I don't know, read and weep or maybe laugh derisively at?

 

[AlexanderPK]

Another Russian freak

Coming from a democrat, really? We can't be freaks by definition, have you forgotten? Not enough freedom, they throw us in Gulags for that. Only in America my liberal friend, only in America.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Coming from a democrat, really? We can't be freaks by definition, have you forgotten? Not enough freedom, they throw us in Gulags for that. Only in America my liberal friend, only in America.

Not interested, comrade.

 

[MisterBeale]

The Serbs would like to have a word with you about that.

I imagine the Libyans would as well. . .

 

[AlexanderPK]

Not interested, comrade.

Did I offer anything? I thought I just told you to go pound sand, didn't I.

 

[MisterBeale]

I think you mean, the Yugoslavians, who were in Serbia performing ethnic cleansing.

NATO & the Humanitarian Dismemberment of Yugoslavia

On March 24th, 1999, NATO launched its 78-day round the clock aerial assault on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia without the approval of the United

www.counterpunch.org

 

[Zavulon]

I want peace. But not at the cost of letting you crush Ukraine. Sorry. I would not have gotten involved, but we ARE involved now, so...

This is where we are at.

If your opinion reflects opinion of your decision-makers - there will be a war. (Exactly as I said). May be, they will change their minds after our counter-force strike. May be, they won't change their minds even after counter-value strikes, and we'll be forced to kill all of you. As I said - it's your funerals.

You will be fine. NATO is a defensive alliance. THe more aggressive you are, the more you help maintain it.

We are not aggressive yet. Actually, we are still as peaceful as it possible. But, definitely, situation will be changed soon.

If you had not invaded ukraine, do you think Trump would be browbeating the europeans into spending more, or do you think that trump and the europeans would be drifting apart rapidly?

Yes. I'm pretty sure, that in the hypothetical past, where Russia didn't fought Georgia back in 2008 and didn't return Crimea back in 2014, Russia was nuked and invaded by regular NATO forces not later than in 2020.

YOU are saving NATO.

No problem. We'll destroy it a bit later.

A Russia whining about international law. That is hilarious.

Holy Russia never started an aggressive war in her history (at least at recent 1000 years).

I don't give a ****. Neither do you. So... moving on.

It's just your Wild West mentality. "He is bad, he is a dirty Indian, so we can hang him, and nobody cares". In the civilised countries (like Russia or China) the things are not going that way. The Law here is not a paper to clean your dirty asshole or to justify a murder of a person you don't like. The Law is the way to live with people you don't like. I don't like idea of drug selling. But even lesser I like the idea of sinking civilian ships in high waters based only on a Captain's suspicions.

I have no reason to think that a man who has issues with a drug dealer, would have issues with me.

There is a reason to think, that if a person ignored the law with one man, he can ignored the law with another one.

My reaction would depend on what else I know of the guy.

Ok. You know that he had had killed a lot of people. Sometimes for no reason at all, sometimes for pretty small amount of money, sometimes with false accusations. You know, that he still keep some people in his basement and torture them. You know that he had hired guys who are trying to kill you. You know that he is a robber, liar and mass-murderer and he want your land, your house and your property.
What else do you need to know?

It really isn't about trust. It is about the fact that you can't afford these losses.

First of all, we can afford these (and much larger) losses. What we can't afford - is deployment of NATO forces in Eastern Europe, or allowing anyone to think that killing Russians and stealing their property is a safe way to live.

 

[Zavulon]

I think you mean, the Yugoslavians, who were in Serbia performing ethnic cleansing.

They didn't attack NATO first, did they?

 

[Zavulon]

There is nothing to talk about (because we are not going to leave Russian people in danger and you are not going to think about guarantees of safety for the Russians);
There is no reason to talk (we can just kill them all and enjoy the good, lasting, reliable peace);
And there is nobody to talk with (you don't have negotiators, reasonable politicians or state leaders, you have just a bunch of freaking clowns, liars and untrustworthy murderers).

 

[Ringo]

I want peace. But not at the cost of letting you crush Ukraine. Sorry. I would not have gotten involved, but we ARE involved now, so...
This is where we are at.

So, in your opinion, if you step both feet into dog shit, the natural consequence shouldn't be a desire to step back and wipe your feet, but rather to smear that shit all over your body. That's what's called perversion.

 

[Zavulon]

So, in your opinion, if you step both feet into dog shit, the natural consequence shouldn't be a desire to step back and wipe your feet, but rather to smear that shit all over your body. That's what's called perversion.

That's what was used to be called "perversion" back in old good times. Now, they don't even use this word. It is politically incorrect. Now they use the word "paraphilia" for it. If you love dogshit, if you love to be beaten and publically humiliated, if you want to give your wives and daughters to foreign invaders, or if you want to sacrifice millions of Americans in vain attempt to save Neo-Nazi regime in Kiev, you are not sick by modern American standards. It's just a part of your personality. A part of gamut of socially acceptable behaviour and may be even a matter of pride.
If (very big IF) this actually what Americans are, we shouldn't judge them. We should respect their readiness to sacrifice themselves (even for something as disgusting for us as Kievan regime) and kill them all. But, definitely, we should do it in the way to minimise our own loses. I mean, to start with a well-calculated counter-force strike.

But, as a matter of fact, I very doubt that they (most of them) are that sick/new healthy. My bet is that they will alleviate long before actual nuclear strike against their siloes and submarines.

 

[Correll]

If your opinion reflects opinion of your decision-makers - there will be a war. (Exactly as I said). May be, they will change their minds after our counter-force strike. May be, they won't change their minds even after counter-value strikes, and we'll be forced to kill all of you. As I said - it's your funerals.



We are not aggressive yet. Actually, we are still as peaceful as it possible. But, definitely, situation will be changed soon.



Yes. I'm pretty sure, that in the hypothetical past, where Russia didn't fought Georgia back in 2008 and didn't return Crimea back in 2014, Russia was nuked and invaded by regular NATO forces not later than in 2020.

No problem. We'll destroy it a bit later.


Holy Russia never started an aggressive war in her history (at least at recent 1000 years).


It's just your Wild West mentality. "He is bad, he is a dirty Indian, so we can hang him, and nobody cares". In the civilised countries (like Russia or China) the things are not going that way. The Law here is not a paper to clean your dirty asshole or to justify a murder of a person you don't like. The Law is the way to live with people you don't like. I don't like idea of drug selling. But even lesser I like the idea of sinking civilian ships in high waters based only on a Captain's suspicions.



There is a reason to think, that if a person ignored the law with one man, he can ignored the law with another one.

Not really. I'm not a drug dealer. I'm not a person that the community would benefit from greatly from NOT being here.


You seem to be unable to make moral distinctions at all. Very strange.

Ok. You know that he had had killed a lot of people. Sometimes for no reason at all, sometimes for pretty small amount of money, sometimes with false accusations. You know, that he still keep some people in his basement and torture them. You know that he had hired guys who are trying to kill you. You know that he is a robber, liar and mass-murderer and he want your land, your house and your property.
What else do you need to know?

Nope. I do not know that. If fact that seems like a total change of the scenario.

First of all, we can afford these (and much larger) losses. What we can't afford - is deployment of NATO forces in Eastern Europe, or allowing anyone to think that killing Russians and stealing their property is a safe way to live.

you can't afford ANY more losses. Your population is crashing. Your population is aging.